Oh 24 fans, guess what? 24's producer is doing the pilot of the Fox News Daily Show knock-off...

[originalpckelly]

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"Joel Surnow, co-creator of "24," is shooting two half-hour pilots of a skein he described as " 'The Daily Show' for conservatives," due to air in primetime on Saturdays in January."

http://www.forbes.com/digitalentertainment/2006/11/20/foxnews-conservative-satire-tech-media-cx_1120varietytv.html

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Yeah, 24 is just fiction and isn't meant to be propaganda.

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What do you think about that?

[melody]

1. I think 24 is just fiction and not meant to be propaganda

Anyone who has watched more than a couple of episodes can see the show merely deals with the real world, not with an idealized
one from either the left or the right. Surnow isn't even the main show runner anymore.

It's the only major disagreement I've ever had with something Keith Olbermann has said. lol

[Avalux]

43. I disagree. Fox News features the show in "what if" scenarios -

all meant to get their viewers (and those with that mindset) worked up over terrorism. That show keeps the terror demon alive and well in the sheeple's little heads.

[melody]

44. I disagree

Look, the show is about a Counter Terrorist Unit, so yeah, they're going to be dealing with terrorists. Terrorists don't put on puppet shows. I've watched it for three seasons now and believe me, I don't buy into anything Fox sells. Are they going to convince some simpletons that the sky is raining nukes? Of course, but these are the same people who watch Limbaugh, write big checks to the 700 Club, and would believe it anyway. Anyone who has had to stare a thirty year mortgage in the eye, isn't going to be scared off by some silly suitcase nuke storyline.

The show also featured the whole Logan storyline, which was HEAVILY suggestive of Bush. Right now on the series, the "good guys" are fighting a threat to the Constitution by the terror-mongers who are, in part, manufacturing the whole threat. I think a lot of the problem with the show (aside from the Fox shadow) is that each season happens in one day. People who don't watch, don't know that, so they see all these attacks previewed and don't realize these events are all happening in *one day*.

At that, most of the threats on the show are countered and stopped. If anyone is tortured and terrorized, it's the main character. It also has one of the most fully-developed, fully-realized female heroes on TV. There are as many good "liberal" elements as there are right-wing sympathetic ones.

[GeneCosta]

2. Originality

They need to learn it.

Soon they'll be trying a Colbert rip-off.

And as we all know, no conservative could ever compare to Colbert. ;-]

[Mojambo]

3. I think 24 is s superhero comic book put on TV

And I really don't care who makes it or for what point.

Why do you care what other people watch for ENTERTAINMENT purposes?

[rocktivity]

4. I thought Fox News WAS a Daily Show knockoff!

rocknation

[Arugula Latte]

5. Yes. Their entire format is Fake News. Why do they need more of the same?

[KamaAina]

39. Actually, the O'Really? Factor is a Colbert Report ripoff

:P

[Hippo_Tron]

40. I was gonna say, O'Reilly is just a parody of Stephen Colbert

[brettdale]

6. I actually though

Season Five was a huge dig at Bush*t.

[itsmesgd]

7. surprise, surprise, surprise

[Seen the light]

8. I have *never* denied that Surnow and Cochran aren't right-wing

However, it's a fallacy to make the assumption that because *they* are means that the show is or that the rest of them are. The guy that's now heading up 24 is a man named Howard Gordon. He is extremely liberal.

Just because they have some nutcases on the show doesn't indict them all.

[originalpckelly]

14. I mean, just because Fox News is owned by a rightwinger...

doesn't mean that it is a right-wing network. The fact that Roger Ailes is the President of Fox News doesn't mean that it's a right-wing network.

:eyes:

[Seen the light]

16. Please learn how 24 is created

Howard Gordon is the showrunner. He would be equivalent to Roger Ailes at Fox News. Not Joel Surnow. While him and the other right-winger Bob Cochran maintain their status as executive producers, they no longer have final say over what happens on the show. Nor do they put as much time into the show as they used to. Howard Gordon does. Let me assure you that Howard Gordon is not conservative. Not in the slightest.

[melody]

37. Gordon has a very balanced view, even if he did stick us with Audrey for 3 years

Gordon can hardly be called a right-wing shill.

The X-Files was a Fox property, too. Fox has produced a lot of good things. It's their news department which is clinically insane.

[Hippo_Tron]

41. House is made by Fox

That doesn't redeem them for what they try to pass as "news" but it certainly shows that they can make some good things.

[AlCzervik]

9. i think the "free market" will figure out it sucks and that will that.

[Just-plain-Kathy]

10. During the first episode...the very first time the television in the background was in frame...

FOX news was on the air. As if that's where our Intel comes from. Later on, another channel was being shown.

What's really terrible is the fact that FOX's local "news" show has become one big "24" chat fest. ...Or, an American Idol talk show.

[mduffy31]

26. Well the fact that Clearance Issues would be the reason that Fox News is on in the background

You would also notice that ZNN is also on some of the TV's in the background.

[Patsy Stone]

11. Since 70% of America believes Bush is a failure...

Is it still propaganda if it fails to convince anyone of anything? BTW, where was all this DU outrage over 24 for the past five years? Why now?

Plus, as another poster said, that comedy show has to be both profitable and a ratings-maker for it to be judged a success. That remains to be seen.

[Seen the light]

13. I'll tell you why there wasn't any outrage

Because Keith Olbermann hadn't done a stupid hatchet job on the show prior to this season.

[originalpckelly]

15. I'll tell you why...

because I've debated lots of right-wingers about torture, and even a couple of DUers, and the people who support it almost always mention 24.

[Seen the light]

17. The show cannot be blamed for the idiots that use it to justify themselves

Kiefer Sutherland has repeatedly said that torture doesn't really work in the real world and that it's ludicrous to apply lessons about torture from 24 to the real world.

[and-justice-for-all]

12. It will bomb....

...and it will never earn the rewards tha John Stewart and Company have uptained.

if Seeing and hearing Hannity speak live or Faux news is any indication of just how comedic rethugs think they are, they dont have a chance.

John Stewart will fire back at them just as hard as they attempt to poke sticks in our eyes...

As there great leader has said.."Bring it on."

[0007]

20. Bud Abbot and Lou Costello are more entertaining than Sean Hanni ty

and his side kick.

[Monk06]

34. From Pulp Fiction, says it all.............

Jules: Well, the way they make shows is, they make one show. That show's called a pilot. Then they show that show to the people who make shows, and on the strength of that one show they decide if they're going to make more shows. Some pilots get picked and become television programs. Some don't, become nothing. She starred in one of the ones that became nothing.

[melody]

38. It's really fairly pathetic

It reminds me of that character (played by the late Bruno Kirby) in "Good Morning, Vietnam" who kept trying to convince everybody he understood what real humor was, but who was utterly unfunny. They're almost pathetically out of step with the world.

It also reminds me of the right-winger boasting about how all the "cutting-edge comics" aren't "lefties", because they had Dennis Miller. LMAO! I had to point out to him that Dennis Miller *was* funny when he was a liberal. Now that he's a whore (my apologies to whores) and is mouthing the party line, he's hardly "cutting edge".

This thing will fold in three months.

[ms liberty]

18. So? It'll probably bomb....

I watch 24 because I like the show. It's FICTION. I really don't give a crap about the politics of some of the producers. One of the Executive Producers is also Keifer Sutherland. Do you have any idea what his beliefs are, or who he is? You might want to check it out. One of his heros was his maternal grandfather whose name was Tommy Douglas...he's the man who brought socialized medicine to Canada...


http://www.tommydouglas.ca/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Douglas



edited for typo!

[mduffy31]

27. Also James Cromwell is going to play his father

...and we all know what a massive right winger he is :eyes:

[Starbucks Anarchist]

36. A Kucinich supporter, too.

:hi:

[sakabatou]

19. I actually want to see the knock off

And then afterwards I can laugh at it for it's sheer stupidity. :rofl:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

21. I Think I Still Can't Wait For The Next Episode Tomorrow Night. Sorry.

Don't care what anyone calls it. It's still one of the most gripping shows that I've ever seen; period.

[fujiyama]

22. There is an element of both to "24"

"24" is pretty ridiculous. Its script is wooden. The acting is usually cheesy. The plots are over the top, and when try to inject political "debate" it comes off shallow and unconvincing.

They overtly justify torture. And yes, there is a clear attitude of fear mongering.

But fuck it. It's still entertaining as hell and very addictive. I watch it for the wild plot twists. Also, they do have themes that are not very RW all throughout (like a president starting a war to gain control of central Asian and middle east gas and oil) .

[nonconformist]

23. So, it was really right-wing propaganda last season when the right-wing President was the bad guy?

Gotcha.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

24. Do RW shows feature sympathetic black Democratic presidents?

And also cast Republican presidents as treasonous cretins who OKed terrorist attacks against their own country?

I'm guessing you've never seen the show.

:eyes:

[mmonk]

25. 24 might be a good show in a different time and place.

Right now while politicians engage in fear mongering to seize extra constitutional powers, mercenary armies run amuck under our flag, and we operate detention and torture camps, I think it's helping normalize our new found darkness.

[rpgamerd00d]

28. OMFG A FOX PRODUCER OF ONE SHOW IS PRODUCING ANOTHER FOX SHOW!? Get out of town!

:eyes:

[KitchenWitch]

29. Sometimes a banana is just a banana.

[SPKrazy]

31. ...

[KitchenWitch]

32. You, my friend, crack me up!

[SPKrazy]

33. Go Look In The Lounge!

[SPKrazy]

30. I Think That We Run The Risk Of

becoming as irrelevant as Day Quayle when we take our television programs too seriously

or some people may need to step away from the bong for a moment




:shrug:

[RamboLiberal]

35. Big F'in Deal - this thread is as stupid as the Edwards

House threads and OMG Elizabeth Edwards is waiting for her old lightbulbs to burn out before switching to more energy efficient ones. Guess what - I'm doing the same thing. And I like 24 - though I did post it had jumped the shark at that website after last week's IMHO bad soap opera plot. Guess I'm just a Freeper plant here.

And as others have pointed out Surnow isn't even the main showrunner on 24 now. Considering most seasons of 24 have found the evil to be within our own government and the bad guys seem to be RW, plus now having had two black presidents and the white president is the RW Nixonian/Chimpy piece of sniveling crap who gets busted by Bauer and his own wife - yep that is real Wingnut stuff!

[Beaverhausen]

42. add this to the fact that he is Limpball's buddy - pretty clear where this guy stands

denial ain't just a river in Egypt.