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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 02:25 PM
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Rick Perry is an Abomination
Edited on Tue Oct-06-09 02:29 PM by McCamy Taylor
This is a Texas sized thread about a Texas sized problem---the possibility that the GOP might call upon Governor Rick Perry to run for president.

Intro.

Greetings from the bizarro state of Texas, which voted out popular governor Ann Richards in order to replace her with George H. W. Bush’s profligate---and dumb as a bag of rocks---son. W. Some folks say he got the job, because Rove called Richards a lesbian. I think a bunch of voters mistook the son for the father and decided that the job of governor would be a nice consolation prize for the one term ex-president. W. maintained that he was not interested in being president. But that did not stop him from waging one of the dirtiest campaigns ever in 2000, when he used the Supreme Court of the United States to keep lawfully cast votes from being counted in Florida.

There is a new sheriff in Texas, known by the name of Rick “Goodhair” Perry. He says he does not want to be president. Now, where have I heard that before?

W. was able to steal the election in 2000, in part, because he carefully scrubbed his Texas record. For instance, he boasted during a debate that he helped pass the Texas Patients Protection Act, a law that prevented managed care abuses. In fact, he vetoed the law the first time around, after the legislature was out of session, so it was dead for two years. He got a lot of flak over this veto. So much flak that the next time the bill came around, two years later, he grudgingly allowed it to become law. Then he claimed credit for it. Then , after he stole the election, he had Attorney General Ashcroft attack (and kill) the law in federal court.

I mention this, because the story teaches us a lesson. Do not listen to what the candidate says. Look at what he has done. If he is promising to be the new Teddy Roosevelt, but during his term as governor he was Ebenezer Scrooge, you can safely predict that the poor houses will be full to bursting under his administration.

Now, to the matter at hand. Let’s talk turkey. A great big fat turkey with a really nice head of hair.



I. Rick Perry Protects Pedophiles

Texas Governor Rick Perry has done a lot of shameful things during his excessively long term. If people were actually forced to wear their Badges of Shame, he would look like an Eagle Scout or a four star general. His biggest, baddest medal is the one that says I (Heart) Child Molesters .

Now, I could quote a bunch of liberal journalists, but folks would just say that they are biased. So, I will rely upon the reporting of a bone fide conservative writer, Jerome Corsi, from World Daily Net to show you all just how big and bad this story was.

Here is a link which outlines the basics of the case.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54882

Briefly, in 2005 Texas Ranger, Brian Burzynski discovered that employees of the Texas Youth Commission had been engaging in sexual activities with their (underage) charges. This made them guilty of both rape and abuse of power. In a solidly red state like Texas, sexual shenanigans are not tolerated, right? State and local prosecutors should have jumped on the case. But they did not. Instead, two years passed, during which time the pedophiles were allowed to continue their child molesting ways. Texas Attorney General Greg Abbot and U.S. Attorney General Al Gonzales both threw up their hands and said “It’s not my problem, man.”

Here is a link about Rick Perry’s involvement in the scandal---which might have jeopardized his changes in the 2006 election. You see, he was facing a challenge from the right in the form of third party candidate Carole Strayhorn. Perry was afraid that the if folks in Texas found out that he had overseen and made appointments to a Texas Youth Commission that was crawling with pedophiles, he might earn the reputation as someone who protects pedophiles. In order to keep the story under wraps, he decided to….protect the pedophiles.

http://70.85.195.205/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54904

While Texas Gov. Rick Perry claimed to reporters he learned only last month of the teen sex scandal rocking the state's juvenile justice system, his office admitted to WND it knew of an investigation that began two years ago.
Perry told reporters he became aware of the Texas Youth Commission scandal last month, after news reports broke in Texas newspapers detailing Texas Ranger Brian Burzynski's probe into the charges. But WND's investigation shows Perry's office knew of Burzynski's probe as early as February 2005, two years before any grand jury had been convened in the case or any statewide investigation was launched from the governor's office.


The cabal of Texas Republicans in DC and Austin carefully avoided doing anything about the case until after Perry was safely re-elected (by less than a plurality) in the fall of 2006. Then, they sprang into action----pointing fingers at the local Democratic prosecutor in the case to explain why they decided to do nothing for two years.

More on Perry’s complicity in the Texas Youth Commission Scandal here:
http://www.lonestarproject.net/archive/2007-03-09%20-%20TYC_Perry-Kimbrough.pdf

Note that when Perry was finally forced to appoint someone to (stonewall the) investigat(ion) of the pedophiles, he chose a staunch Republican, Jay Kimbrough, whose other claim to fame is that he is the one who demanded that federal law enforcement officials arrest Texas Democratic legislators who fled the state in an effort to keep Tom Delay from doing an illegal, minority-vote-splitting redistricting in 2003. Note that Rick Perry was involved, too. He called for three special legislative sessions that year in order to force lawmakers to pass that redistricting plan, which the Supreme Court later said violated federal voting rights protection laws.

II. Rick is Opposed to Private Property

Sometimes, I think that Rick Perry is W. with an extra poofy wig. Recall that after a series of failed businesses, Bush finally made some real money by having the City of Alrington, Texas steal private citizens’ land for him so that he could build a ballpark. He then turned around and sold the ballpark to the city for millions. Now, if the city had used its powers of eminent domain to seize the land to build a city owned ballpark, that would have been one thing. However, they allowed one private developer (W.) to take land from other private citizens, presumably on the grounds that the son of an ex-president was more equal before the law than a bunch of nobody property owners.

Given the controversy that this case caused, you would think that aspiring Republican politician, Rick Perry would run, not walk, from any eminent domain scandal. However, in 2007, he vetoed the very popular bill that would have protected Texas property owners from eminent domain claims by private developers. He said that he was doing it, because of provisions involving road access. However, no one bothered to say a word about the road access provisions when they were being considered by the legislature. That was because they provided Perry with a convenient excuse to veto the entire bill after the legislature was out of session (and yes, it is a wonder that anything ever gets done in this state when all you have to do is bribe the governor if you want to kill a progressive law for two years).

http://www.statesman.com/news/content/region/legislature/stories/01/23/0123property.html

Note in the above article that Perry is trying to undo the political damage he suffered in 2007, because he is scared that Se. Kay Bailey Hutchison (who has better hair than Perry) will use the issue in the 2010 gubernatorial election. Shades of W.’s Patient Protection Act veto.

III. Rick Perry Panders to the Confederate Flag Constituency



I want to make one thing clear, here. There are some that claim that they wave a Confederate Flag out of sense of pride in their southern heritage. This is bullshit. Even in the south, everyone knows that the flag is the banner under which states committed the ultimate act of treason in order to protect their right to deprive Blacks of their rights as human beings and United States citizens. Waving a Confederate Flag around while claiming that you are not a racist is like getting a swastika tattooed on your forehead while protesting that you love Jewish people. The Confederate flag symbolizes the south’s hatred of federal laws which have required equal treatment for all, regardless of race. If you believe that special schools should be built for whites and that Blacks should not make the same wages as other workers and mostly importantly that no Black man should ever be president of your country , then you express your displeasure by waving around one of these things.

During the speech, people waved "Don't Tread on Me" flags and signs lampooning the Obama administration's economic stimulus efforts. Some shouted, "Secede!"

Among the signs: "Obama. Liar in Chief" and "I'll Keep My Guns and Money. You Can Keep the Change."
Perry told reporters following his speech that Texans might get so frustrated with the government they would want to secede from the union.

"There's absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what might come out of that."


http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/041509dnmetteaparties.d8880855.html

Note that Perry has assumed the role of modern day Jefferson Davis in order to pander to extreme right wing voters in Texas who might consider voting for Hutchinson. He hopes to make the Confederate Flag constituency associate her with Obama. Can “Call me, Barrack” ads featuring the former UT cheerleader turned U.S. senator be far behind?

IV. Some of Rick Perry’s More Memorable Vetoes

Perry vetoed a bill that would have informed ex-felons of their right to vote in Texas, because

Many GOP political consultants believe ex-offenders will be more likely to vote Democratic.


http://www.pegasusnews.com/news/2007/may/29/unseemly-rick-perry-veto-shows-how-gop-fear-felon-/

Rick Perry also vetoed a bill that would have required drivers to give cyclist three feet of space when passing around them. (???)

http://austinontwowheels.org/2009/06/20/update-on-safe-passing-bill-gov-perry-vetos-sb-488/

Getting arrested for something you did not do sucks, right? Well, in Texas, that unpleasant situation gets even worse, because the Republican State Supreme Court has ruled that the police can keep a record of every arrest ---even if charges were later dropped because you did not do it----until the statute of limitations of the crime in question passes. That means two years for a misdemeanor and forever for an offense like murder. The state legislature tried to correct this problem, by passing a law that would have required law enforcement to wipe records clean if charges were dropped. But guess who vetoed it?

http://blog.austindefense.com/2009/06/articles/evidence-and-criminal-procedur/rick-perrys-definition-of-more-harm-than-good/

His reasoning?

In its final form, it would have done more harm than good to our citizens.


Because hey, what about the rights of cops to sully your reputation permanently by making bogus arrests?

One way in which Perry does not resemble W.? His wife is not an ex-school teacher. That probably explains why he vetoed a bill that would have provided $25 million to pre-K programs. Early childhood education is the great equalizer in our society, and anyone who is courting the Confederate Flag vote knows that “equality” is a four letter word.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6489252.html

Note in the above article that Perry has used (abused?) his veto power more than any other Texas governor. This does not bode well for our Democratic Congress were he to get into the White House.
Here is another head scratcher. Texas tried to pass a law to keep buses from idling while waiting for students. Anyone who has ever been forced to hold his breath while wading through the chemical soup mixture which a fleet of idling buses can pump into the air understands this one. It is bad for asthmatic children and it’s bad for the environment. However, Rick Perry (who is the number one recipient of oil and gas money in the state) wants to see those buses sitting there burning up fuel.

http://www.statesman.com/news/content/region/legislature/stories/06/19/19bus.html

Now, if you read section I. of this thread, you will understand the reason for Perry’s next veto. Sometimes young folks get convicted of sex offenses for the relatively innocuous crime of having sex with their girlfriends or boyfriends. Say, the guy is a high school senior age 19 and the girl is a senior age 16, and things got out of hand after the prom. The way things are now, even if the two are engaged and get married, he can still be labeled a sex offender for the rest of his life. That means he may not be allowed to have contact with the children he will have with his wife. His kids definitely will not be allowed to have friends over---just because his parents got hot and heavy at the prom.

Lawmakers in Texas attempted to fix this problem by giving courts the option of removing some people’s sex offender status. The bill had widespread public support---and Perry vetoed it. Because hey, he would not want voters to get the idea that he is soft on pedophiles.

http://startelegram.typepad.com/politex/2009/06/smith-blasts-perry-for-vetoing-sex-offender-bill.html

Another bill that passed with unanimous support was one designed to give consumer protections to people buying annuities. Apparently, the people who sell annuities did not like it, because they got Perry to veto it.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/nation/stories
/DN-aarp_24tex.ART.State.Edition1.4ab6d16.html

Perry’s vetoes are so controversial in Texas that the Texas Monthly wrote an article about them entitled “No! No! No!

The governor, of course, is empowered by the Texas Constitution to veto bills. But the veto power, if not exercised wisely and sparingly, can be a dangerous one. It can make lasting enemies of those who expected to benefit from a bill's passage. It negates the sponsoring legislator's hard work. Most of all, a veto is often a tacit admission of the governor's own failure, because the legislative process offers ample opportunity for intervention and compromise. A veto becomes necessary only if the governor's intervention was nonpersuasive—or nonexistent. Think of a veto as the parliamentary equivalent of a spanking. It is a last resort that should be used only when really necessary. Like a spanking, a veto will get the attention of the recipient. It may also inspire fear. But it cannot purchase respect. Or love….

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Most startling was the contrast between Perry's attitude toward legislation before the May 28 adjournment and after. Overnight, he and his staff underwent a transformation from distant observers to obsessive nitpickers. This mutation will define Rick Perry for his cohorts in Texas politics long after the details of the bills he vetoed have been forgotten. He chose to be an outsider, chose to play gotcha with the Legislature rather than to work with it, chose to snipe from ambush rather than engage in the open.


http://www.texasmonthly.com/2001-08-01/btl.php

One of the bills which roused the ire of the Texas Monthly was a veto of a bill that would have allowed the execution of mentally retarded criminals. In most states, you have to know what you did wrong and why you are being punished for it before you can die. In Texas, you just have to possess a pulse and a vein through which lethal drugs can be injected.

Speaking of executions…

V. Rick Perry Believes in Executing Innocent People

Perry’s most recent controversy involved the case of a man who was almost certainly arrested for an arson/murder that did not happen. Cameron Todd Willingham was executed in 2004 (during Perry’s watch) for setting a fire in his house and killing his own children. The problem with the case---there were no witnesses, there was no confession. All the prosecution had was some flawed science.

Last week, five years after the (almost certainly wrongful) death of Willingham, the Texas Forensic Science Commission tried to right this wrong by considering new evidence in the case. Perry put a stop to this by firing three members of the commission on the eve of their meeting.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics/AP/story/1263390.html

I guess he is worried that the combination of his veto of the bill protecting the mentally retarded plus a finding that he allowed an innocent man to die might make voters in other states a little bit leery of electing him their president. Texas was unique in a national survey as the only state where a majority of voters said they would be fine allowing innocent people to be put to death if it meant that no guilty folks evaded execution. The other United States put a greater value on human life than Texas and its Republican governor.

VI. Remember What Don Seigelman was Prosecuted for Doing?

Selective prosecution of Democrats for things that all politicians do is one of the major scandals of the Bush DOJ. Alberto Gonzales even announced publicly in 2006 that he planned to start a lot of investigations and prosecutions of Democratic elected officials in the wake of the Democrats’ sweep of Congress. In the process, he painted a great big read Kick me (out of office) sign on his own back that lead to him being the first (and last) Bush administration official to be forced out of office by Congress.

The case of Don Seigelman who was charged and convicted of appointing someone to a board in exchange for a contribution was one example of the way the Bush administration used the DOJ like a Mafia enforcement squad. Funny thing is that Gov. Rick Perry of Texas (and his predecessor, W.) is notorious for playing quid pro quo with appointments.

The University of Texas is a huge system that is swimming in cash. The ability of a few VIPs to make a lot of money off UT has been protected in Texas, first by W. and then by his separated at birth successor, Perry.

When George W. Bush signed UTIMCO into existence, he created a lasting connection between the investment company and the governor's office. Rick Perry has, in every way possible, kept this tradition alive. The most obvious example of this relationship is the close correlation between the campaign donations Perry receives and the appointments that are then graciously given out to his donors.
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This close connection between a few elite Texans, their deep pockets, and their appointed positions is not only dangerous but it is undemocratic. These people who make and control decisions have many negative affects on many different people, but usually not themselves. When a few connected individuals control University policies and its investments while fighting to gain even more power, less accountability and more corruption can be expected. Rick Perry, although he is a public servant, does not act on the public's behalf when controlling this elite group. This quid pro quo Good Ol' Boy system, on which Texas politics are now based, is continually damaging the University and those who are associated with it.


http://www.utwatch.org/utimco/perry.html

Here is more on the cash for appointments policy of Perry.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6406108.html

Gov. Rick Perry has accepted nearly $5 million in political campaign donations from people he appointed to state boards and commissions, including some in plum jobs that set policy for state universities, parks and roads, records show.
Nearly half the appointee donations came from people serving as higher education regents, including more than $840,000 from those at the University of Texas System, according to a Houston Chronicle review of campaign-finance records.
Political patronage is nothing new for Texas governors in both political parties. The contributions are a legal and common practice, though it has been fodder for critics over the years.
“The reason people should care is that it would be nice to think that government functioned as a meritocracy,” said Andrew Wheat of the watchdog group Texans for Public Justice, which has tracked appointee donations in the past.


Meritocracy? You have got to be kidding. Right now, Texas is an oligarchy, and Rick Perry is the bought and paid for aspiring Mussolini of the state’s corporate elite.







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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 02:32 PM
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1. No, no, no, no, and HELL no
This cannot be allowed to happen at any cost. He's Sarah Palin with a Texas drawl and a slightly larger brain.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 03:03 PM
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12. I wouldn't bet on the brain part.
Edited on Tue Oct-06-09 03:05 PM by hobbit709
But he's definitely crookeder than Palin.
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Craftsman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 02:33 PM
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2. One of teh main reasons Ann Richards lost was gun control
She would not let the people ote to ahve a carry permit. So in 1994 she was voted out and GW took over.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 02:36 PM
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4. That's good to know
Every now and then, I feel badly for the people of Texas. Having such calamities visited upon them can't be very much fun. But they keep inflicting their own wounds and for incredibly stupid reasons. And I have been reliably informed by a son of Texas that one cannot fix stupid.
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subcomhd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 02:44 PM
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6. right and wrong
she vetoed a non-binding referendum on whether Texans should be allowed to carry. Taxpayers funding an NRA poll is what she vetoed (and called it). But yes, that was enough to do her in - that and Karl R's rumors she was a lesbian and it was 1994 (bad year for all Dems.)Juvenile crime was a big issue for Bush that year too. ah, the memories.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 02:47 PM
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7. Bullshit
Ms. Richards lost re-election because from the moment she started her first term, good-old-boys on both sides of the aisle smeared her every step of the way. Dubya swooped in with his name recognition, big money, cheating practices and IMHO pulled off his first successfully stolen election.
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subcomhd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 02:55 PM
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10. Concealed carry was a HUGE part of her defeat.
I was there.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 02:58 PM
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11. It was part but not huge
I was there too. Been in Texas for 49 years.
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subcomhd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 03:19 PM
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15. I was in the room w/Ann and the internal poll numbers. Trust me, it was HUGE
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Aragorn Donating Member (784 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 03:23 PM
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17. I'm still here
The "issues" had a lot less to so with her loss than the fact gwb spent $50 million, Anne spent $5 million.

Anyone who wondered if gwb was gonna get run out for pres just had to ask, "Why is this worth $50 million?" This is the weakest governorship of all 50 states.
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subcomhd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 03:27 PM
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19. No, both sides were equally funded. In fact, we may have had a little more than W.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 10:29 PM
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28. Cough *BULLSHIT* Cough
What lost her the election was the vile smears that she was a lesbian that the bushkarlkamp threw out there.
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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 02:33 PM
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3. Now, how can you say that, when he has such LOVELY hair! n/t
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 02:54 PM
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9. That's why Ivins called him Gov. Goodhair.
How I miss her.


As for Perry as Pres... I'm hoping Hutchison will ruin his political career in the brawl that's just warming up now.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 10:28 PM
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27. you and I both
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hamsterjill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 02:40 PM
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5. Not another Bush!
The country will not survive. And I'm from Texas.

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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 02:48 PM
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8. That we're from Texas just means that we're closer to the epicenter.
And it means that we suffer from Perry's actions even when they're limited to the state.
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hamsterjill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 03:52 PM
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21. That's exactly right!
We've suffered enough, too, haven't we? Time for a real change!!!
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 03:14 PM
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13. Hang on to that list of shit
never again will I play nicely while the pukes under the direction of that piece of shit KKKarl Rove chuck mud.

If Perry decides to go for it this list of charges must be front and center every day. I think we need one of these for every puke contender.

Well done.
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 03:17 PM
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14. Wow. Thanks and kudos for putting this together.
If W taught us anything, it's that these idiots need to be put in their place before they can do even more damage. The more I learn about Perry, the more he disgusts me. This thread should be spread around anytime there's even an inkling of a discussion of him running for Pres.
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 03:22 PM
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16. You do have to admit he sounds like a logical voice for the modern GOP.
He has all of the attributes, traits, behavior that are expected from the GOP. The next election is not going to be about who gets the most votes but how much disruption, hate, division, and flaming demagoguery the Republican candidate can spread. Mr. Perry sounds like a logical choice for those who want to destroy the Republic and the 30% of the American population who border on being clinically insane.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 03:27 PM
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18. All of Rick Perry's Greatest Hits in one post
A keeper for sure.

Maybe this should go into the Research Forum.
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TxRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 03:39 PM
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20. If he runs national this list is just the beginning...
There will be a lot more dirt than that.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 05:32 PM
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22. rick perry was picked because bush wouldn't look stupid next to him. nt
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 05:47 PM
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23. Good one!
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bevoette Donating Member (609 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 06:44 PM
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24. i was at TYC for 20+ years. Perry knew...and so did Whitmire (D-Houston)...
Edited on Tue Oct-06-09 06:46 PM by bevoette
and so did every legislator on that CJ committee. they ALL knew...it's on video from 2004.

they were told by the executive director that it had happened, that it was internally investigated, that the perpetrators had been fired, and that it had been turned over to the local DA.

nobody cared until the media got involved.

i am no fan of Perry's...but what happened to TYC was a farce.



ETA: but i do agree with the OP title, regardless ;)
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 10:51 PM
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29. Thanks for this warning -- obviously the GOP is looking for a new Hitler . . . and Perry may be it!
And thanks for the pic -- KKK hooded supporters of Confederate flag!!!

The Confederate flag symbolizes the south’s hatred of federal laws which have required equal treatment for all, regardless of race. If you believe that special schools should be built for whites and that Blacks should not make the same wages as other workers and mostly importantly that no Black man should ever be president of your country , then you express your displeasure by waving around one of these things.

May I ask, if you know, how is this racial hatred now being pushed into yet another generation?
Is it still based on "Christian/Biblical" teachings? Does this still go on in churches?
Or is it passed down in families generation to generation?
Is there any real progress being made in whites learning anything from contact with "blacks"?
And, is the minority population also increasing in Texas? Mexicans?
How are the newspapers handling racial relations in Texas -- still racist?
And, how are the Democrats there doing? Hiding? Or, is there any real leadership?

Lastly, presume they recall what happened the last time SECESSION was acted upon?

I think the South must remember quite well?

And any other response or thoughts you might want to throw in is fine with me!

Great post!



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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 10:10 PM
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25. k i c k
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jeffbr Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 10:23 PM
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26. Thanks, Kinky Friedman
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 10:57 PM
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30. Perry is a dweeb. I never liked Journey anyway.
Edited on Tue Oct-06-09 10:58 PM by aikoaiko
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scentopine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-06-09 11:03 PM
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31. Rick Perry Is Sarah Palin Without Breasts -nt
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DonCoquixote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 01:16 AM
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32. One of the best quotes EVER
You said

"I want to make one thing clear, here. There are some that claim that they wave a Confederate Flag out of sense of pride in their southern heritage.


_____This is bullshit._____ (emphasis MINE)


Even in the south, everyone knows that the flag is the banner under which states committed the ultimate act of treason in order to protect their right to deprive Blacks of their rights as human beings and United States citizens."


Now, hang on, I know some people here will say they just want to show pride in the south, and get tired of Yankees who, to be fair, do sometimes have an arrogant attitude. I have lived in the south 20 years, and yes, while I like my New York Pizza, I also love my grits and BBQ. However, the fact is, many people feel they have to defend this symbol to defend being southern, and when they do that, they ignore the fact that they are lending strength to the far right. The Far right knows they can play the "damyankee" card, and make many southerners fall into line or at least keep quiet when they should be speaking up.

Now, I have seen people here MODIFY the flag, and I see that as positive. That sort of action says that while you affirm your heritage, you do not support those who want the CSA as it was imagined by Jeff Davis. To change the design can be positive, because you are not waving a flag that demanded Black people be less than white.

However, many people get mad at that, as if to say "you are accusing us of being a bigot" or my favorite "well, the Stars and Stripes supported slaves too." Folks, the fact is, the CSA was designed, from it's outset, to oppress blacks, whereas the US is trying to repent of it, something the Confederates do NOT do, and will not do! Some in the CSA might have encouraged slavery to die out, but frankly, we have no reason to beleive they would have been listened to, not can we believe that they would have had the courage to stick by their convictions, why? Because, all you have to do is look at the most honest faces of the Confederacy today: the Howling mad GOP, and the Blue Dog fake democrats. Does anyone doubt that if Dick Cheney had his way, there would be slaves working for Haliburton? Anyone think Ann Coulter would not buy and whip a few? As far as the Blue Dogs, their main job is to somehow preserve the old south by keeping as much of the poison as they can, while throwing dogbones to the present, which is why the same spineless jellyfish that worked for their Massa, Bush, feel so confident now that a Black man is in office. Heck, There would probably have been slaves picking cotton for Al Gore and Bill Clinton, sorry to say.

The point is, we can accept and cherish southern culture, but if you wave the flag whose connotations are known to even the dumbest people, do NOT play the victim when we groan, sigh, and yes, have serious doubts about your character.

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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 01:40 PM
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49. i'm black and my family is from texas
i spent the summers of my youth in ft. worth, dallas, waco, houston and mexia. i am proud of my southern roots and thankful for my very large family. i could write a book about the richness of my family's experience...and the food :7
and i agree with you about the flag. if you wave it...fine, but don't play the victim when you know damn well what that flag represents to many people.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 01:18 AM
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33. Thanks for the summary of the person freely chosen by the Texas electorate.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 09:09 AM
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38. Less than half of the TX electorate. (nt)
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 01:18 AM
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34. Well he did just kill an innocent man, so he does follow in Dubya's
footsteps. How my state got to be this way...ah hell, I know exactly how it got to be this way. :(

Gonna go cry now.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 05:30 AM
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35. I say let him run...
My reasoning is actually quite simple.

1. The nation will not elect another R from TX

2. He's got more baggage than what went through Ellis Island for 10 years.

3. He's as dumb as a box of rocks.

4. People will immediately link him w/bush, the worst president this nation has ever seen, (even most R's agree to that).

Jeez, just bring up the "Secession" stuff and he's toast, he'd spend an entire campaign tryuing to "justify" that idiotic stance.

Let him run, it would be one of the greatest landslides against R's of all time...:rofl:
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snake in the grass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 05:57 AM
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36. Perry is a blemish...
...on civilization.

I love reading your OPs.
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TexasLady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 07:03 AM
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37. Thanks for reminding me why I hate it here.
If it wasn't for the fact that we have a small business and a lot of family here, I would have probably left a long time ago.
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Texano78704 Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 12:54 PM
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39. Texas on the brink
It is important to remember, just as it is for Dumbya, that the Republican controlled legislature bears an equal part of the responsibility. Thanks to Republican "leadership" Texas ranks last or very near last in virtually every category you can imagine. It is unfathomable to me how Texans continue elect these wingnuts.

State Senator Shapleigh put together some impressive stats on how bad Texas really is.

http://shapleigh.org/system/reporting_document/file/255/Texas_on_the_Brink_2009_website_final.pdf
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TxRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 02:42 PM
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48. There's every chance the state could go blue this election
The legislature is one seat away in both houses now, and Perry has seriously made a lot of people mad.

The cat fight between Perry and the cheerleader isn't going to help the GOP either.

We could end up with a dem governor and legislature soon.
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 09:23 PM
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40. Kick Texas Out of the Union...
like this turd Perry wanted. Problem solved. He'll stripped of his citizenship and won't be able to run for anything in the U.S. :)
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MajorChode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 10:59 AM
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44. Too bad there weren't more forward thinking people like you in 1861
The US would have far less troublesome states to worry about.
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BluDemocratGirl Donating Member (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 01:50 AM
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41. Perry wants to run for prez after all of this bullshit?
Dumbass (Perry), please! You ass will be OUT of the primary on the VERY 1st day!
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MajorChode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 11:01 AM
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45. He has about as much chance as a trailer house in the path of a tornado
It's doubtful he'll even win his next primary for the governorship.
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davidpdx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 02:19 AM
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42. Rick Perry should have to spend a week in one of those nice prisons
With all the big guys who like to have "girlfriends".
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Stevethetruck Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 10:30 AM
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43. Mr. Goodhair
Here is Austin, many of us have heard the tale of "Goodhair"s wife finding him in bed with another man. THAT couldn't happen, not to a repellican. See Larry Craig, Mark Foley, Lindsey Graham, Dennis Hastert, Trent Lott, Jeff Gannon/James Guckert or THE FRANKLIN SCANDAL, where "POPPY" Bush was sneaking teen 'nephews' into he WHITE HOUSE for sleepovers. Wanna defeat the pugs? Get real. Out them for what they are, closeted, self hating hypocrites.


Rick Santorum and Orin Hatch are really snappy dressers whereas Hastert and Graham are just confirmed "bachelors"!!! Gannon is just a gay, military hooker and trusted WHITE HOUSE correpondant...haha!

Sibel Edmonds has testified, UNDER OATH about Hastert running drugs, selling arms and secrets to the Pakis and Turks. Why are they not on the front page?
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Altoid_Cyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 11:50 AM
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46. My eyes are shot today so I might have missed this in your post.
Anyone remember this story? His stance on gay rights is pretty strange since he might have been talking about himself.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/12/AR2005061201433.html
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 12:20 PM
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47. I am guessing this is a typo or an unintended error
"One of the bills which roused the ire of the Texas Monthly was a veto of a bill that would have allowed the execution of mentally retarded criminals. In most states, you have to know what you did wrong and why you are being punished for it before you can die. In Texas, you just have to possess a pulse and a vein through which lethal drugs can be injected."

Perry vetoed a bill that would have allowed execution of the mentally retarded? Or a bill that would have prevented such executions?
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