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Towlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 11:35 AM Original message |
Sorry, but Michael Moore's argument just doesn't make sense. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
1. Information is power. |
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TxRider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 09:38 AM Response to Reply #1 |
104. "vast Obama-voting majority" is not reality |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 11:40 AM Response to Original message |
2. Hasn't the motion picture industry tried to freeze Mike out for years? |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 11:40 AM Response to Original message |
3. In the spirit of its creation |
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eShirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
4. How would that be different from swarms of bittorrent users downloading every other movie? |
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LTR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 11:48 AM Response to Original message |
5. Well, it's got to get distributed somehow |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #5 |
17. I read that he has now raised enough money to distribute all of his future movies himself |
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LTR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 12:31 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Having the money vs. having the ability are two different things |
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Bjorn Against (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 11:49 AM Response to Original message |
6. This is always a dilemma for progressive media... |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 10:09 PM Response to Reply #6 |
66. Reconsider your assumptions |
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Bjorn Against (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 11:13 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. Yes it does, but it also limits the audience |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 02:11 AM Response to Reply #70 |
74. You are making your point to the previous poster |
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Bjorn Against (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 07:45 AM Response to Reply #74 |
79. No I understand your point |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 12:49 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. Yet you repeat your negativism and pretend MoveOn is all I suggest, ending discussion |
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Bjorn Against (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 05:22 PM Response to Reply #81 |
96. No I am not ending discussion of possibilities |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 12:26 AM Response to Reply #96 |
101. Well put. Thank you. |
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DatManFromNawlins (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 02:53 AM Response to Reply #6 |
77. He could have hooked up with Netflix and bypassed the theater |
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Bjorn Against (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 07:49 AM Response to Reply #77 |
80. It will be on Netflix when it is released on DVD, but it needed to be in theaters first |
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Spoonman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 03:47 PM Response to Reply #6 |
90. WAKE UP! |
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Bjorn Against (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 05:29 PM Response to Reply #90 |
97. No Moore uses a capitalist corporation to distribute his films... |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
7. His movie doing well will do one thing, basically |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 11:27 PM Response to Reply #7 |
71. it'll do much more than that- |
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timeforpeace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 03:49 PM Response to Reply #71 |
91. Moore is Pavlov. We're the dog. The movie is his bell. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 10:41 PM Response to Reply #91 |
100. i'm not hearing it this time. |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
8. Have you seen the movie yet? n/t |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
9. It does to most working class folks |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 12:46 PM Response to Reply #9 |
28. And then we, like corporations, whine and bleat Americans are uneducated... |
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BobRossi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
10. Turing out in droves will do only one thing. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 12:00 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. No one will be inspired to change things? No one will be moved to discuss problems? No one will be |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 12:45 PM Response to Reply #10 |
27. Nice to see some people understand things. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
11. Knowledge is power. Artwork/Storytelling is Inspirational. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 12:00 PM Response to Original message |
13. Michael usually releases his movies for free on the Internet. He did that with Sicko. n/t |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 12:49 PM Response to Reply #13 |
29. See #25. I don't think that's entirely true. Indeed, where's the "walk his talk" aspect? |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 01:49 PM Response to Reply #29 |
41. Google "Tu Quoque". You're soaking in it. n/t |
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Kaleko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 01:58 PM Response to Reply #29 |
43. Your arguments have been debunked many times already |
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Spoonman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 03:54 PM Response to Reply #43 |
94. BS |
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Kaleko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 07:24 PM Response to Reply #94 |
99. Good luck. |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 01:02 PM Response to Reply #13 |
33. I'm actually surprised that "Capitalism" has NOT turned up on the net |
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Generic Other (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 01:10 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Michael Moore explained that SICKO was stolen |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
14. Towlie wants to steal from artists and thinks that is groovy! |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 12:51 PM Response to Reply #14 |
31. Thanks for proving the point that Moore is a capitalist who wants your money and nothing more. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 01:22 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. thanks for demonstrating an absurd logical fallacy. That Moore can't critique an economic system |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 06:24 PM Response to Reply #31 |
60. He is a businessman. |
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Towlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 03:23 PM Response to Reply #14 |
46. Sorry to hear about your reading comprehension impairment, Bluenorthwest. |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 03:56 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. No, you just innocently dropped the suggestion into people's minds |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 06:46 PM Response to Reply #49 |
61. Dude, you certainly gave yourself the right name! Kudos. n/t |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 01:17 PM Response to Reply #46 |
84. It's also not theft...it is copyright infringement |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 01:35 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. I guess you've never watched a DVD, or VHS for that matter. |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
15. That is foolish of you, it's a miracle this film has opened so widely, kudos to MM nt |
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Beaverhausen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
16. Let me speak as someone employed by the motion picture industry |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 12:38 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. It's also killing itself the way Corporate Music did by charging too much per unit. |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 04:02 PM Response to Reply #24 |
50. Bullshit. The Lion King on Broadway? $165 a ticket. Up in a theater? Average $8. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 01:08 PM Response to Reply #50 |
83. The reference was to movie prices. Theaters charge too much. |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 01:27 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. I referenced that. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 01:38 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. No. You called it bullshit. Then did a strawman number. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 03:15 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. Deleted sub-thread |
treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 07:28 PM Response to Reply #16 |
64. The one damn thing not made in China |
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Spoonman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 03:51 PM Response to Reply #16 |
92. "The heads of the studio I work for are Democrats." |
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man4allcats (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
18. Most of us, if we're lucky anyway, have some kind of job for which we are paid. |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
19. You don't like Michael Moore much, do you Towlie? |
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Towlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 03:20 PM Response to Reply #19 |
45. Sure, I like him. I just didn't like that shallow-sounding sales pitch of his. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
21. It has to start somewhere |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
22. MM sure has brought lots of cynical, spoiled, ungrateful, impotent, unAmerican childishness out |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 06:48 PM Response to Reply #22 |
62. No need to hide, Omega. When you're right you're right. n/t |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 06:55 PM Response to Reply #22 |
63. On the upside. Bitchin is the best cure for what ailes you. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 10:21 PM Response to Reply #63 |
67. The revolutionary artist who succeeds is always called a sellout by those who come after |
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DailyGrind51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
23. Both multiplexes near my neighborhood had Moore's film. |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
25. Moore's on record saying pirates hurt his profits. |
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Bjorn Against (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 11:46 PM Response to Reply #25 |
72. You keep attacking Moore for doing nothing... |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
26. Michael Moore's "argument" is a commercial to sell a product. |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 12:50 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. +1 |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 12:51 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Well now that's a load of bullshit. |
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Patriot 76 (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 05:25 PM Response to Reply #30 |
55. How many times are you going to call him the Limbaugh of the Left? |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 10:25 PM Response to Reply #55 |
69. It's less tiresome than the other bizarre obsessions he forces on us, though. |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 12:57 PM Response to Reply #30 |
82. Yeah, how DARE he. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 01:25 PM Response to Reply #26 |
39. Ronald McDonald is not a corporation making/selling hamburgers. Moore is an individual artist |
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Zix (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 03:28 PM Response to Reply #26 |
48. Truth's proooobably NOT so bleak, here. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 04:38 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. Is Michael Moore really going to quit if there's no revolution? |
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Zix (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 05:09 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Well, I don't know what methods you would have him use. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 05:57 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. One man's passion is another man's sales pitch... |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 03:25 PM Response to Reply #53 |
89. The cynical slime is just so oozy and comfy, ain't it? |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 10:25 PM Response to Reply #26 |
68. Just as yours are |
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Generic Other (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
34. I think it's about what you pledge to do after the movie is over |
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Generic Other (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 01:53 PM Response to Reply #34 |
42. Towli says "it'll be interesting to watch" |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
35. What would you suggest he do to get his message out? |
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Generic Other (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 01:18 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Apparently there are people on our side who don't want the message to get out! |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
40. He was was tapped the other day on NPR for taking corporate funding... |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
44. I'm spending my hard-earned pay to see his movie in the theater and I intend to take my |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
47. MIchael is merely trying to get a message across |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
51. Strikes me as similiar to the line of thinking |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
52. You are aware that the big studios are not behind this movie |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
56. Moore would not have been able to get his movies into theatre chains WITHOUT the movie industry |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 06:00 PM Response to Original message |
58. I'm amazed that Sicko didn't make a bigger impact |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 06:00 PM Response to Original message |
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yodermon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 08:41 PM Response to Original message |
65. Becuase the $ from this movie is ONE TINY DROP IN THE BUCKET |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 11:53 PM Response to Original message |
73. It's a fair way to make a buck. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 02:36 AM Response to Original message |
75. moore produced it. so it's mostly moore who's profiting, not "the industry". |
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Tx4obama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 02:53 AM Response to Original message |
76. I hope that... |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 03:02 AM Response to Original message |
78. The old chestnut, 'Life is short; Art is long,' obtains. |
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BMD (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
93. Michael Moore is like a kid who cries and complains, and won't realize what he had until it is gone. |
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Spoonman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 03:57 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. He's a Capitalist Genius! |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-05-09 05:52 PM Response to Original message |
98. Yeah 'cause demonstrating that there is a huge progressive audience |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 01:21 AM Response to Original message |
102. And here come the hypocritical union haters out in full force. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-06-09 02:14 AM Response to Original message |
103. He's wrong, because the people who see it will be the people who already agree with him |
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