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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 11:37 AM
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Unemployed, Unisured, Foreclose and standing in line behind 130,000 H1-B imports for my next job
First, I admit that the 130,000 H1-B visas include the baseline quotas for 2008 and 2009. However, I think it's fair to include the present year since the economic and employment bust were well known when Congress approved the quotas.

Just the Facts Jack

Also, I think it's fair to quote the passage from the site:

Please note that petitions filed to extend or amend H-1B employment for foreign workers already in H-1B status and new workers to be employed by institutions of higher education or related nonprofit entities, nonprofit research organizations, or governmental research organizations are not subject to the H-1B cap.
(so even the 130K number is very conservative; once you're in you're here to stay)

Kids, if you're smart enough to be an engineer, mathematician, physicist, etc, you are also smart enough to figure out there is no future in that pursuit. You will spend your entire career one step ahead of an outsourcing (onshoring) contract that excludes you.

That said, we would all like to think that the Corporations hire the best qualified for any position, but that is simply not the case; every well educated, motivated and interested American has heard the words, "over qualified". In reality, in a 30 year career you will at best be given a chance to participate in 2 or 3 truly new and thoughtful projects. The rest of your career is basically, back of the envelop day-in-day-out status quo programming, maintenance, and release. The corporations know this and hence they don't really need genius level people for 99.9% of what they need done; furthermore they do not want to pay for this level of expertise to be on the bench.

American engineers and scientists are to their own peril, idealists; they push for robust solutions and innovation beyond the generally shallow requirements of a project. The H1-Bs are not so burdened, they are generally bureaucrats willing to schmooze their way from a half thought out project design to Phase n+1 where the issues that were known by the more qualified engineers and scientist manifest themselves are to be addressed. The difference of course is the H1-B gets a paycheck and the American gets the door.

Corporate management want to be schmoozed and the H1-B indentured slave handlers are chosen for that ability. Regardless of the crap that is actually produced the handlers paint a happy face on it and declare success. Obviously , the ineffective middle management fearful of being identified as such when they failed to consider all the implications in the initial design put lipstick on the pig and renew the handlers contracts. On to Phase N+1 and the promise of shinier longer lasting lipstick.

This process is evident in nearly every aspect of management over American engineering efforts. Pentagon projects that are a waste of money continue to be funded because of spin and the promise of the next phase improvements. I only include this example to expand the idea that schmoozing your way from failure to failure produces a longer and more stable career than brilliance and insight. And, so it is not just corporate middle managers that pursue this career path. Hence the national demand for H1-B indentured slaves that know the have no say in the goal, and are only concerned with keeping the funding going.

H1-B entrants have a distinct advantage over American applicants in their pre-employment coaching. They are well versed in the conduct of agreement (I love the infinity head bob, it's a yes-no can't lose reaction)

I just have to stop now. I'm having my daily "nightmare in color" where the mortgage company finds my mortgage note and the sheriff is knocking on my door. Standing behind the sheriff is an army of infinity head bobbing H1-B ready to move in to my house.

This is my America ... how is yours working for you.

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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 11:55 AM
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1. YOU ARE RIGHT ON THE MONEY
IT IS ALL A SCAM
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 12:00 PM
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2. Kick. Let's keep our jobs in house and well paid. If we need an educated workforce...
...then let's create one.

Fuck outsourcing.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 12:02 PM
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3. Yarp, if you promise an American a career with stability, watch the interest bloom instantly
Edited on Thu Oct-01-09 12:04 PM by thunder rising
The H1-B gets that assurance. H1-Bs get 3 year contracts vs a 3/6 month "fill the H1-B gap" given to Americans.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 12:08 PM
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4. Michael Moore just said on Thom Hartman a foreclosure happens every
Edited on Thu Oct-01-09 12:09 PM by Ichingcarpenter



7.................seconds in the US

I should know.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 12:47 PM
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5. since we are supposed to get our kids up to the level of the H1-B`s
i would suggest they should`t be allowed until every american that is qualified to work in those fields are employed
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 12:55 PM
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6. As long a "free trade" is our policy, it should include both goods AND services
Which means that workers should be able to move freely.

The situation as it stands right now is that some workers want to both benefit from cheap imported goods on one hand, but want government protection for their own livelihoods on the other. This is an ultimately untenable position, as the downward pressure on wages caused by "free trade" with the developing world ultimately means there is less money in the hands of Americans to pay for these services.

In short, the service economy cannot be protected from globalism and "free trade" while the manufacturing economy is left to a race to the bottom.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 01:55 PM
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7. Exactly! If the imports are smart and we need them, give them a green card and let's compete
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 01:59 PM
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8. "trade protection" is for capitalists & corporations only, not workers.
"free trade" is also for capitalists & corps only.

"fucking scam" is a good description.
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