It will be Afghanistan, not healthcare that will determine whether Obama is a 1 term President /nt

[still_one]

[Craftsman]

1. Agreed, if the Dems have another losing war like Vietnam

He is toast, and keep in mind the Brits, the Russians, and Alexander the Great all failed to take and hold this place.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

2. I don't agree.

I don't think people know enough or care enough about the issue for that to be the case. Further, Republicans are the ones pushing him towards it, not away from it. I highly, highly doubt Afghanistan would trump the economy unless things went apeshit wrong with horrible mismanagement. Decision to expand operations there notwithstanding, I can't see Obama mismanaging like Bush did.

[still_one]

4. No one can control Afghanistan, history should teach us that, and if an escalation

is decided, it will not only be a non-winnable war, but drain our resources to the extent that it will have financial impact

[leftstreet]

3. No. Mandated insurance will do it

Although I doubt he's planning to run for a second term.

[still_one]

6. Mandated insurance? Isn't that what social security and medicare are? /nt

[leftstreet]

10. Yes, social security and medicare are for-profit insurance plans

NOT!

:eyes:

[still_one]

15. Who do you think pays for the uninsured right now? /nt

[Vincardog]

12. If we already have mandated insurance like SSI and Medicare as you say, why do we need Private Ins?

[lurky]

7. "Although I doubt he's planning to run.."

I think you buried the lede on this post. Care to expand on it? :shrug:

[Craftsman]

5. Self Delete

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[still_one]

8. I agree with both your posts, and history too /nt

[Craftsman]

9. There is a real pssiblity you can't defeat them, just kill them all

and no one has the stomach for that. No one in the west is willing to make a desert and call it peace.

[Cleita]

11. If history repeats itself, you are right.

LBJ brought us civil rights and Medicare but he didn't run for a last term because he knew Viet Nam had doomed him. Jimmy Carter lost because he wouldn't go to war with Iran because of the hostage situation. Wars and how they are handled very much dictate the future of any President. Don't ask me how Bush got elected a second time in spite of his manufactured wars for profit unless election cheating is the reason.

[emulatorloo]

13. Well, George Will and the Other Republican Talking Heads are Trying Very Hard to make this so n/t

[spanone]

14. are you carnac?

[librechik]

16. ES&S will decide

if we don't make some changes and quickly-- (I've only been saying this since 2001)

[Better Believe It]

17. It will be the state of the economy, healthcare and the wars that will determine that.

Nothing will improve in healthcare because current legislation proposed won't kick in until 2013 and if the economy isn't much better in 2012 with millions of new good paying jobs for the unemployed and our troops are still bogged down in Iraq/Afghanistan it's likely that President Obama won't run for a second term.

If that happens, the Democratic party will pick a much more liberal and almost populist sounding candidate for President in 2012.
Sort of a "throwaway" candidate like McGovern in 1972.

If she/he loses because of a Republican landslide "for change" in 2012 the conservative Democrats and DLC will say "see what happens when you run a liberal for President" and another more conservative centrist Democrat to their liking will run for President in 2016.

Back to square one!