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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 07:44 PM
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More evidence on the Census Worker
and now time for those with any sense of logic to dismiss suicide

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4077908

Oh and there is more, according to the Countdown story there was some screaming or hollering at three in the morning in the back woods.

So it seems I was closer to the truth than even I wanted to be.

RIP

Now lets find the SOBs, and given the history of the area, good luck feds.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 07:47 PM
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1. Thanks. Let's remember that his name is Bill Sparkman and he was a Teacher as well.
Thanks for the post.

Recommended!
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Kievan Rus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 07:50 PM
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2. I never thought it was a suicide...but I still think it's a drug-related murder
Mr. Sparkman probably found a meth lab or marijuana patch...and was killed by drug dealers with a warning to keep out. So sad and tragic.
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CRF450 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 08:11 PM
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5. I've been thinking the same thing.
Those type of people do not eff around at all! They will do almost anything to keep their dirty business from possibly being discovered.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 08:22 PM
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6. An old fashioned lynching is not quite a way
to keep them Feds away from you.

That is why the drug angle does not quite make all the sense in the world

Nor is this as simple as mockingly pointing at Bachmann or Glenny. The area has a long history of distrust to them feds.

Now if this is about drugs when all is said and done, it is a small marker on our way to something uggly. If drugs have nu'ting to do with this... then it is a larger marker.
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Kievan Rus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 08:38 PM
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10. Meth-heads or pot growers would not hide a body
Search-and-rescue would follow, and their site of contraband would be discovered.
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Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 09:09 PM
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13. I agree with you Nadin on the drug angle. I live close to the Mex border and hit and run as fast
you can seems to be their MO.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 08:33 PM
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8. They hate outsiders in this area....
lots of incest so they don't think...read....or write. Maybe drugs, but they simply HATE outsiders.

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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 08:53 PM
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12. Crap. And I just bought a vacation timeshare there, too.
:sarcasm:


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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 08:06 PM
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3. Kentucky papers
I wonder if the Kentucky papers will address all this? My local paper, the Lexington Herald Leader, was doing everything this morning but telling people he was killed by marijuana growers so nothing to see here, shut up about anything else, move along.

That will be the next angle pushed, drug dealers. But I can't see why guys dealing and growing would want to attract such attention by hanging the body up like this and scrawling "fed" across his chest. It seems like they would have killed the guy and buried him or thrown him in the nearest body of water. It makes no sense at all that they would do something so demonstrative as this when all they want is to get their crop in and make some money. Kill someone, sure; make a total spectacle of it, no way.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 08:36 PM
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9. I miss Lexington....great place.
Don't you think we're dealing with 'Deliverance' people....lots of incest, therefore, can't think, read, write. Just mean. And outsiders are HATED. This sounds like something they'd do.
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 08:51 PM
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11. There are a lot of people like that
People who are just desperate and miserable. Not that there aren't good people in eastern Kentucky (I grew up in Paintsville), but there are a lot of desperate and angry people as well, people that are suspicious of the world running off and leaving them behind. I think Clay County is much worse than where I grew up, and drugs are a huge problem in the region now also. Education is poor, people often don't think for themselves, and are easy victims of right wing rhetoric and feeling left out and looking for someone to blame. The preachers have a lot of sway too, and they generally aren't in favor of government if a Republican isn't leading it.

That's all just my opinion, but there is definitely an isolated attitude back there. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were suspicious of any guy from the government, and decided to teach a lesson. Maybe high on drugs the whole time, who knows.

(I love Lexington too. I came here for UK back in the 80s and can't stand the thought of living anywhere else.)
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SilverShield Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 08:09 PM
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4. poor bastard
sick
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 08:23 PM
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7. Now doubt and welcome to DU
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 10:59 PM
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14.  If I were a dealer, grower, or running 'shine,
I sure as hell wouldn't want a bunch of Feds and media types stomping all over the place. I'd get rid of the body as far away from the scene as possible. Seems to me, someone wanted to send a message. Sure does look like a hate crime to me.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 01:53 AM
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18. I suspect that if you are high, you do not think straight
about hiding the body, etc. Otherwise you could have just shot him, or stuck a knife in him. Going all the "extra" attention shows, I think, that whoever did it was/were not exactly in a sane mind.

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LaydeeBug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 11:08 PM
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15. If the later reports are true, I officially dismiss suicide. Sorry I'm a sceptic. nt
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 11:20 PM
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16. You can not duct tape your face, hands, and feet, then hang yourself.
You can not hang yourself then duct tape your face, hands, and feet.

This is not a suicide. It is, at best, a murder.

Now, the idea of a drug murder? If he stumbled on someones backwoods marijuana patch, still, or some other backwoods capitalist endeavor, they would have blown him away and buried the body somewhere nobody would find it, possibly next to Jimmy Hoffa. People who just want to make a buck don't want to draw attention to themselves. Killing him is just business, but calling in the FBI to crawl up every bodies ass with a microscope is bad for business. Clearly, hanging the body in a cemetery where it will be found while following the exact pattern that was used with blacks between the civil war and the Civil rights era is to send a message. Lynching was done to keep non-whites in line, to terrorize them. This message was for the US Government, the Obama Administrsation,and anyone who works in any way for the Government.

This is not a racial thing. He isn't black. This is an attack on a federal worker, the government. For this, you can thank the right wing cry baby conservatives.

The question I have, is this a John Brown Event or will something worse have to happen to drive this home.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 01:46 AM
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17. The denial is nuts.
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 02:41 AM
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19. What do you think "Fed" means? n/t
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