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Wetzelbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 07:19 PM Original message |
Courtland Milloy: If the Redskins Care About Honor . . . |
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stuball111 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
1. How bout Washington "Rednecks"?.. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 07:29 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Pfft. It's never derogatory when it's about non-white folks. It's always deragotory... |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 07:40 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. I haven't seen much outrage over the "fighting irish" |
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stuball111 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 07:43 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. No... but "Drinking" fighting Irish might be a bit off color... |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 07:50 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. A civil war-era honorific of their President that they assigned themselves? That's your comparison.. |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 07:53 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. I'm sure they appreciate your outrage on their behalf and all, |
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Wetzelbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 07:58 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. It's a racial slur |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 08:00 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. I see, so it's our job to stand up for them |
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Wetzelbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 08:06 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. I'm Indian |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 08:14 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Sure |
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Brickbat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 08:28 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. You have a right to try. |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 09:03 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. As these guys do |
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Wetzelbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 11:01 PM Response to Reply #21 |
37. come on now |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 09:41 PM Response to Reply #13 |
31. ' Many Indians don't even realize it's a slur because they have been ingrained...' |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 10:11 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. No, they are stupid and ignorant |
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Wetzelbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 10:51 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. again I am one |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 11:08 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. That's fine, but it doesn't change my opinion |
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Wetzelbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 11:15 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. more like the other way around |
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Zoeisright (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 11:21 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. You're right. |
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Wetzelbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 11:35 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. part of it is religious too |
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Broken_Hero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 11:39 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Do you have links to those surveys |
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Wetzelbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 12:07 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. try this |
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Broken_Hero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 12:14 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Thanks for that, I got some reading to do, I find the numbers you cited to |
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Wetzelbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 12:19 AM Response to Reply #49 |
50. I would say |
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Broken_Hero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 12:53 AM Response to Reply #50 |
54. Hey... |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 12:44 AM Response to Reply #41 |
52. Kindly stop putting words in my mouth |
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Wetzelbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 02:49 AM Response to Reply #52 |
58. it's not whether I regard it as a slur |
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Chef Eric (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 08:01 PM Response to Reply #11 |
74. Assuming this poll is even accurate, you're saying that the 9% who are offended don't matter. |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 09:13 PM Response to Reply #7 |
26. What's the potential problem with "Irish?" |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 09:25 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Yep, no stereotyping going on here |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 09:32 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. A leprechaun is a mythical creature. |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 09:34 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. The actual indians in washington |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 09:38 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. The problem is with "redskins," not the mascot. |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 09:48 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. And the point I had made |
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Solomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 12:54 PM Response to Reply #34 |
64. Man, you are sinking so deep in the doo I wonder how you got to |
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Zoeisright (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 03:36 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. LOL! |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 09:43 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. As an Irish person... |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
2. The important thing is that we honor Native Americans by naming our sports teams |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 07:30 PM Response to Original message |
4. the NFL and "honor" don't go together |
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AspenRose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 07:33 PM Response to Original message |
5. They changed the name of the Bullets to the Wizards |
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Wetzelbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 08:08 PM Response to Reply #5 |
19. yes it's not that hard |
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brendan120678 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 03:54 PM Response to Reply #19 |
67. Funny thing about the St. John's Redmen... |
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 02:37 AM Response to Reply #5 |
87. No offense..... |
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the other one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 07:39 PM Response to Original message |
6. Everyone calls them the "Skins" anyway |
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Wetzelbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 08:01 PM Response to Reply #6 |
15. that's just as bad |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 03:51 PM Response to Reply #6 |
66. Can I use a tomahawk? |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
10. Listening to so many white folks whine about people wanting them to stop being offensive.... |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 07:56 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. wonder what they'd say if Atlanta changed its team name to the "Crackers"? |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 11:59 AM Response to Reply #12 |
60. the Atlanta Crackers lasted for 5+ decades... |
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Wetzelbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 08:03 PM Response to Reply #10 |
16. I'm not white |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 08:06 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. :) I wasn't referring to you, but rather to all of the defenders of this sort of thing. |
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Wetzelbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 08:08 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. ahh I see |
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Broken_Hero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
22. Good luck with the logo change, I don't think it ever will change |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 09:45 PM Response to Reply #22 |
33. +1 |
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Wetzelbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 11:04 PM Response to Reply #22 |
38. it's all interrelated |
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Broken_Hero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 11:27 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. To many, its not |
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Wetzelbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 12:05 AM Response to Reply #43 |
47. almost all of the major inter-tribal organizations |
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Broken_Hero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 12:49 AM Response to Reply #47 |
53. Hmm, |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 08:31 PM Response to Original message |
24. Such A Racist Name Does NOT Deserve To Be Sanctioned With Trademark Protection |
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Wetzelbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 11:12 PM Response to Reply #24 |
40. I think some people can make a case |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 07:33 PM Response to Reply #40 |
72. Seminoles seems more like Vikings to me |
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Wetzelbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 11:08 PM Response to Reply #72 |
81. yes |
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 02:34 AM Response to Reply #72 |
86. These Native groups protest Florida State too |
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sofa king (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 11:27 PM Response to Original message |
44. Screw them. They haven't done shit for tribes. |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 12:31 AM Response to Original message |
51. As an Cherokee Indian one generation removed from the reservation in Tahlequah; I'm not offended. |
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Broken_Hero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 01:04 AM Response to Reply #51 |
55. Hey man, how much longer does Cherokee Nation have |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 01:36 AM Response to Reply #55 |
56. You're not serious? n/t |
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Broken_Hero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 01:42 AM Response to Reply #56 |
57. I'm sorry, my wife is Keetowah Band cherokee |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 10:47 AM Response to Reply #51 |
59. Apparently it's not up to you to decide for yourself |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 12:09 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. and your interest in this? |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 12:53 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. The people who are annoyed with this idiocy |
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Chef Eric (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 08:12 PM Response to Reply #63 |
75. Right, because if a majority doesn't see a problem, then there must not be a problem. |
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Wetzelbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 07:27 PM Response to Reply #62 |
70. he's an racial apologist |
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Wetzelbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 07:28 PM Response to Reply #59 |
71. again |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 03:18 PM Response to Reply #71 |
88. Ha, |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
61. it would be nice, but |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
68. The right to NOT be offended |
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Wetzelbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 07:25 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. again |
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11 Bravo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 07:44 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. Read "I am a Redskin: The Adoption of a Native American Expression, 1769-1826" by ... |
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Wetzelbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 08:39 PM Response to Reply #73 |
77. you would be hard pressed |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 10:50 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. You know . . . |
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Wetzelbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 11:17 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. well now that you mention it |
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kath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
76. What about "Savages" for a team name? |
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Wetzelbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 10:31 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. yes it's classic dehumanization |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
80. I don't understand why people are so obsessed with keeping the name |
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Wetzelbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 11:21 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. yes most teams over the years have changed their names |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 02:26 AM Response to Reply #80 |
84. This card-carrying member of the Cherokee nation with a tribal roll number that dates back to the |
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 02:28 AM Response to Reply #80 |
85. Money |
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