Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Girl Rejects Gardasil, Loses Path to Citizenship

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 04:26 PM
Original message
Girl Rejects Gardasil, Loses Path to Citizenship
Born in Britain in 1992, Simone Davis got off to a rough start in life. Her biological mother abandoned her as a baby, and her father couldn't care for her.

At 3, her paternal grandmother Jean Davis got court orders giving her complete parental rights and responsibility to raise Simone until the age of 18.

Davis married an American in 2000 and moved them to Port St. Joe, Fla., but there was no equivalent guardianship in the United States. So for the last near decade, Davis has embarked on a quest to get Simone U.S. citizenship.

Now 17 and an aspiring elementary school teacher and devout Christian, Simone has only one thing standing in the way of her goal -- the controversial vaccine Gardasil.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/ReproductiveHealth/gardasil-vaccine-roadblock-citizenship/Story?id=8542051&page=1
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 04:27 PM
Response to Original message
1. Deleted sub-thread
Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
fir coat Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 06:15 PM
Response to Reply #1
28. Wow...Bestill my heart...
Hooray, fascism, where the refusal of vaccines is punitive!:eyes:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 11:08 PM
Response to Reply #28
70. Well, it looks like youre heart is still. RIP
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 04:30 PM
Response to Original message
2. Seems like her American husband should have legally adopted the girl
..being a British citizen sounds like a pretty good deal about now anyway..
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Sultana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 08:42 PM
Response to Reply #2
45. No, shit, lol
I'll take a British/E.U. citizenship any-freaking-day!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Okie4Obama Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 04:33 PM
Response to Original message
3. The girl's logic is stupid...
..."I plan on staying a virgin, so there's no chance of me getting cervical cancer." What if her future husband is not a virgin and is carrying one of the cancer causing HPV viruses? What if she gives in to temptation? I planned on staying a virgin until I married when I was 17, too. Then I went to college. Whoops!

I just had to have a procedure to remove precancerous cells from my cervix, and believe me, it was no picnic. I wish they had this vaccine when I was young.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 04:56 PM
Response to Reply #3
12. Fundies are MORE likely to have unprotected extra-marital sex... NOT less.
And what if someone rapes her?

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JonQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 05:01 PM
Response to Reply #3
13. Or even if she does stick to her convictions
there is still the possibility of being raped by someone with HPV. That isn't really in her control. Seems like a foolish thing to take a moral stand on.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 10:32 PM
Response to Reply #3
67. Exactly, who's to say that her husband won't have an HPV virus?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 04:34 PM
Response to Original message
4. My god, how did women ever survive without Gardasil???
Edited on Wed Sep-23-09 04:37 PM by liberalmuse
I'm a bit skeptical of why the pharmaceutical companies and those in their pockets (Gov. Perry) are trying to push this shit on young girls. It's just weird. Perhaps I need to educate myself further, but I wasn't aware of statistics showing young teens or even young adults getting cervical cancer in overwhelming numbers. I don't like it. And now it appears as though the dispensing of a drug that has not yet been proven effective or even SAFE has become overtly political. It fucking stinks.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 04:35 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. A lot of us don't.
That's the point.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 04:38 PM
Response to Reply #6
7. Okay, good.
I thought I was being paranoid, but it turns out I'm merely dull-witted. :)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. You're just not in health care
or you'd know.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 04:45 PM
Response to Reply #4
10. You just might not! Thats the point.
This is one vaccine that has been PROVEN to PREVENT nearly 100% of cervical cancer. The ONLY vaccine that PREVENTS cancer. This is a bad thing?


Regardless, immigration law states that immigrant will get this or have their application denied. Pretty simple: get the shot or go home.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 09:18 PM
Response to Reply #10
49. You are way off.
Edited on Wed Sep-23-09 10:17 PM by LisaL
Gardasil has not been proven to prevent nearly 100 % of servical cancer.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 09:25 PM
Response to Reply #10
54. "The only vaccine that prevents cancer." Untrue hype.
The hepatitis B vaccine is given to prevent a type of liver cancer.

Gardasil not only doesn't prevent nearly 100% of cervical cancer -- it only provides about 75% protection against HPV (which is the major but not only cause of cervical cancer).
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 04:50 PM
Response to Reply #4
11. isnt that the truth. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JonQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 05:06 PM
Response to Reply #4
14. Same way people survived prior to the smallpox vaccination
that is, many didn't.

I suppose a high birth rate could negate the increase in attrition, but then that raises it's own problems.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
PM Martin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 05:36 PM
Response to Reply #4
21. There are extremists on both sides.
This side is bringing out the left wing nuts.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 05:45 PM
Response to Reply #21
25. isnt it though. FUNDIE send her away, stupid, send her away, dont want to PAY
Edited on Wed Sep-23-09 05:45 PM by seabeyond
when she gets cancer

how dare she want to be a virgin
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 07:00 PM
Response to Reply #4
32. What is the paranoia over medical care?
Oh wait, perhaps we should go back to bleeding, and prayers...

Look this is a PREVENTABLE cancer. You SHOULD do more research. Not all are out to get you.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 01:27 AM
Response to Reply #32
75. That would include the instances of pharmaceutical companies pushing
drugs on the populace without thoroughly researching it as well would it not?

The drug is a bit new for people to be forced into taking it without long term human studies that are NOT paid for by the pharmaceutical companies.

And I say this as someone who used to work for one.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 07:01 PM
Response to Reply #4
33. I agree with you entirely. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 02:31 AM
Response to Reply #4
79. Quite a lot didn't
I don't think it should have been made a condition for immigration - though another country's immigration criteria are not up to me - but I would certainly get the vaccine if I were still in the age group for it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 04:34 PM
Response to Original message
5. Chronically negligent drug company Merck surely has friends in high places.
hmmmm...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 04:43 PM
Response to Original message
9. No story here....get the shot or go back home.
You would think that repubs would be FOR this, as it ensures immigrants do not become an unnecessary burden on the health-care system...oh, wait, shes a xtian, she gets special consideration.

Get the shot, its required by law for immigrants, or go home.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JonQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 05:09 PM
Response to Reply #9
15. They used to screen people as they were coming in
for a variety of infectious diseases. If you had one tough, you're on the next boat back.

It's harsh but it probably saved lives here.

And frankly, people don't have a right to become US citizens, they do so at our discretion. And we can set any criteria we like, including not being harbingers of some new plague.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dugaresa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 05:13 PM
Response to Reply #15
16. i had a cousin sent back to europe to live with relatives and his parents stayed here
talk about heartless. but they were dirt poor and they didn't have much of a choice, starve in europe or try something here. the relatives raised the child over there and the parents sent money.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JonQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 05:22 PM
Response to Reply #16
18. What was the reason?
Disease?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dugaresa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 08:07 PM
Response to Reply #18
41. he had some sort of physical defect
and apparently they were really picky about it when he was supposed to enter, he apparently went on to live a normal life in europe as far as i know.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JonQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 09:05 PM
Response to Reply #41
47. I'm sorry to hear that
I wouldn't think a physical defect would be grounds for denying citizenship.

Limiting the influx of infected people with diseases that may spread makes sense. Limiting people with diseases/disorders that affect only them does not.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dugaresa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 06:46 AM
Response to Reply #47
81. I think that the folks in steerage were assessed for their value in the US labor pool
if you think about it, at the time the capitalists (like today) loved cheaped labor and it was coming over in boatloads from europe. they wanted strong healthy men, women and kids to work in their mines, mills and shops. If you were healthy but had mumps, you might survive quarantine and go on to be a productive worker. If you had a bad limp, oddss are that you might not be as productive. It is just sad but I think that is how it worked.

I checked out the Ellis Island web site and apparently it happened rarely but it was due to illness or even monetary circumstances. Apparently you had to have money upon you or perhaps someone who was going to take care of you. The money part shocked me, given how many immigrants were dirt poor.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
GodlyDemocrat Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 05:20 PM
Response to Original message
17. Great to see all the Big Pharma apologists here
Edited on Wed Sep-23-09 05:21 PM by GodlyDemocrat
Forget the fact that Gardasil is not a safe drug and a woman should have a right to choose what to do with her body. Who cares about that, cuz this women's a ded gum furner!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JonQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 05:23 PM
Response to Reply #17
19. She does have a right to choose
She just doesn't have a right to choose a certain way, and also maintain the "right" to come here.

And vaccines are actually pretty nice things, not a plot by "scary big pharma" or anything. They've been shown to work.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
GodlyDemocrat Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 05:40 PM
Response to Reply #19
23. If she doesn't have a right to choose a certain way, then that is not a choice
And spare me the line that it is a privilege to stay in America, not a right. That is the most xenophobic rhetoric I have heard in the immigration discussion over the past 4 years.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JonQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 06:56 PM
Response to Reply #23
31. So everyone has a right to become an american citizen?
Then having immigration controls at all ought to be unconstitutional as you can't simply deny foreigners their right to come here and start voting.

But let me explain this to you another way.

You invite someone over to your house, they proceed to them start screaming racial slurs at you at the top of their lungs, you insist they leave your home. Have you denied them their right to free speech? They still are allowed to say it, just not on your property.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
GodlyDemocrat Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 12:48 AM
Response to Reply #31
73. So you have to take a vaccine that is known to cause cancers as a side effect itself?
Edited on Thu Sep-24-09 12:49 AM by GodlyDemocrat
What's next forcing an immigrant woman not to or to get an abortion just to get her green card/citizenship?

A woman's right to make decisions for her body should not be dependent on her nationality.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 11:11 PM
Response to Reply #23
71. Shit, if THAT is "he most xenophobic rhetoric I have heard in the immigration discussion ....4 yrs"
you must not have been listening
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
GodlyDemocrat Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 12:50 AM
Response to Reply #71
74. I'll concede, the most was hyperbole
Rest of my statement stands.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 09:40 PM
Response to Reply #19
97. How does an unproven vaccine like Gardasil protect the public health?
It's only supposed to protect *some* women from *some kinds* of cervical cancer, with a shitload of side effects. Or maybe your interest is in protecting Big Pharma profits and stripping women of any control over their own bodies?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 08:32 PM
Response to Reply #17
44. That's fucking bullshit
It IS safe, you have simply bought into the anti-vax woo.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 12:47 PM
Response to Reply #17
85. +1 Well said.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 09:36 PM
Response to Reply #17
96. I know. It's sad to see that Big Pharma brainwashing works
They've got some good little soldiers here.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 05:26 PM
Response to Original message
20. Wow. Religion plus vaccination. This should be a fun thread to read by the time it's all done.
The popcorn is on me!

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 05:48 PM
Response to Reply #20
26. bah hahahah. and a virgin on top of that. how dare she. but you are funny
and right
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Yo_Mama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 05:39 PM
Response to Original message
22. I think she is within her rights
http://www.newsinferno.com/archives/11837
Here's an article covering some of the JAMA article that was critical of attempts to make the vaccine mandatory.

The impression I got was that most doctors think this vaccine may be good for those at high risk, but most women aren't at high risk, and the rate of serious side effects that is now being reported may be higher than the expected rate of cervical cancer. Since cervical cancer is very preventable with the correct screening, it is not clear that Gardasil is delivering much of a benefit for the general population.

The risk of developing cervical cancer varies depending on rate of exposure - most women with limited numbers of sexual partners seem able to clear one infection of HPV on their own. So the real question is how active you are going to be with how many people. I don't think this young woman's statements sound all that different from those I have heard from some doctors.

Another article:
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/CancerPreventionAndTreatment/gardasil-hpv-vaccine-faces-safety-questions/story?id=8356717

"Although the number of serious adverse events is small and rare, they are real and cannot be overlooked or dismissed without disclosing the possibility to all other possible vaccine recipients," said Dr. Diane Harper, director of the Gynecologic Cancer Prevention Research Group at University of Missouri. "The rate of serious adverse events is greater than the incidence rate of cervical cancer."
...
Dr. Jacques Moritz, director of gynecology at St. Luke's-Roosevelt Hospital, said he would not offer the Gardasil vaccine to patients when good cervical cancer screening techniques and treatments exist. He has also chosen not to have his 11-year-old daughter get the HPV shot because of his concerns.


I think those of you yawping about fundies on this thread need to read up on the issue a little bit more. This is the sort of thing that has led to lawsuits before, because if the theoretical cervical cancer preventive is producing serious side effects at an incidence rate higher than the incidence rate of cervical cancer, it is difficult to make a case that wholesale use of this vaccine is a good idea. I could go on and on about why, but I'll stop.

There are over 32 deaths reported from Gardasil and over 200 cases of permanent disability. Protection is believed to last 5-7 years, so no one suggests that the incidence rate of cervical cancer will be dropped that much because of the vaccine.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 05:44 PM
Response to Original message
24. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 05:49 PM
Response to Reply #24
27. you know, that was my reaction too..... nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 06:22 PM
Response to Reply #24
29. Thanks. I was trying to find some words for here. Your's will do just fine.
:thumbsup:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 09:39 PM
Response to Reply #29
59. Yup
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 07:02 PM
Response to Reply #24
34. All COUNTRIES have medical requirements to immigrate and become a citizen
but I am sure you did NOT know that.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JonQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 08:04 PM
Response to Reply #24
40. Requiring vaccines is the same as forced sterilization
Edited on Wed Sep-23-09 08:05 PM by JonQ
and amputation?

I see.

So I take it you have a major problem with public schools?

And it's not even mandatory, just mandatory to come to our country. Me telling you that you have to take your shoes off before entering my house is not the same as saying you are forbidden to wear shoes ever.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 06:43 PM
Response to Original message
30. well then she obv. doesn't want citizenship enough, what do you want me to say?
Edited on Wed Sep-23-09 06:44 PM by pitohui
we do NOT need any more whackjob abstinence religious hysterics, we have too many of our own

at age 18, were she to become a citizen, she would get the vote -- is this the kind of person we need making decisions abt our gov't?

NO, NO, NO, sorry

if she wanted citizenship enough, she could follow the requirements, if she prefers to pretend that abstinence works, then i don't see what we have to gain by granting her citizenship anyway -- she's a moron who thinks she's special, sorry, NO -- there is absolutely no value in adding yet more ignorance to our already hugely overswollen population of the native-born ignorant

she's 17, she WILL have sex if she hasn't already, nature wins and if she doesn't want to accept that she like all the rest of us is an animal w. a biological body, i don't see the point of humoring stupidity -- we have the technology to prevent some bad shit from happening and humoring people and letting it happen anyway...NO

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 07:16 PM
Response to Reply #30
35. we do NOT need any more whackjob abstinence religious hysterics
Edited on Wed Sep-23-09 07:18 PM by seabeyond
so rw criteria is no black and brown skin. ours is weighing the religious position in keeping others out of this country

and we are better, .... how?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
PM Martin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 09:07 PM
Response to Reply #35
92. Good point.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 07:18 PM
Response to Original message
36. This drug is controversial and I don't think anyone should be forced to take it.
nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 07:20 PM
Response to Reply #36
37. What? Common sense on DU? You must be new here! n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 07:28 PM
Response to Reply #36
39. In a sane country, yes
But this is 'Murka! :patriot:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 08:43 PM
Response to Reply #36
46. Nobody's being forced to take it.
She's not being forced to apply for citizenship, and if she wishes, she can wait until age 26 and is already likely infected.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 02:26 AM
Response to Reply #36
78. Ditto...
...while I think her reasons for refusing are bullshit, I do agree that the drug is controversial and the side effects are scary. IMO, she should be allowed to refuse it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pmorlan1 Donating Member (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 09:31 PM
Response to Reply #36
95. This vaccine should not be forced on anyone!
"This drug is controversial and I don't think anyone should be forced to take it."
Posted by Geek_Girl


I couldn't agree more.

snip>

A government report released Tuesday raises new questions about the safety of the cervical cancer vaccine Gardasil. The vaccine has been linked to 32 unconfirmed deaths and shows higher incidences of fainting and blood clots than other vaccines.

snip>

But he added that when it comes to comparing the benefits of the HPV vaccine against its potential risks, he believes there simply is not enough evidence to recommend to all parents that they have their daughters vaccinated.

"I don't think we yet know the long term benefits or risks," Johnson said. "I'm taking a pass on this one and saying to parents, 'Study the issue, read the editorial... talk to your doctor.'"

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/CancerPreventionAndTreatment/gardasil-hpv-vaccine-faces-safety-questions/story?id=8356717
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 07:26 PM
Response to Original message
38. Oh this thread is funny. Left wing culturalists are almost as bad as their right wing counterparts.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 08:11 PM
Response to Original message
42. I'm completely disgusted
What fucking right does anyone have to force this particular vaccine on anybody? (I personally believe it's a good idea, and if had been around a few years ago when my daughters were younger, I would have strongly encouraged them to get it)

What right? Especially using what is essentially anti-woman blackmail.



Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 08:14 PM
Response to Reply #42
43. Well...immigration has been that way for quite awhile. My husband had to go through a slew of
Edited on Wed Sep-23-09 08:16 PM by SemiCharmedQuark
vaccinations and physicals to get his permanent residency card.

The Gardasil vaccine aside, the reasoning behind this woman's decision bothers me. She's not arguing that Gardasil is unsafe. She's arguing that she shouldn't have to get it because she's a virgin and plans to stay a virgin. One of the tests my husband had to do was an HIV AIDS test. Using this woman's reasoning, he could have said "Well, we're married, and we're monogamous, and adultery is against my religion, so why should I have to take an HIV AIDS test?"
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 09:21 PM
Response to Reply #43
50. She IS arguing that there isn't enough evidence that it's safe. And that has
to be weighed against the fact that she's not having sex.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 09:32 PM
Response to Reply #50
58. She's arguing religious exemption, not an exemption based on the safety of the vaccine.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 09:24 PM
Response to Reply #43
53. I understand that
Edited on Wed Sep-23-09 09:25 PM by ismnotwasm
I just feel that this is a vaccine, not a test for disease and a vaccine that presumabley would only affect the young woman in question. HPV is implicated in cervical cancer of course, and asymptomatic young men transmit the virus as well. I'd feel better if this was a gender neutral vaccination, one both males and females were required to get prior to immigration rather than a female specific one. Cost is another consideration.

Her reasoning is fucked as far as I'm concerned, but it's her reasoning. What's just too sad is when young women hold up virginity like it's some sort of holy shield against disease and circumstances and all wrongs, they're generally sorely disappointed.

Anyway, here's one feminist's blog on the topic

http://www.feministing.com/archives/011052.html
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 09:30 PM
Response to Reply #53
56. Well, it probably will be a gender neutral vaccine within a couple of years.
They are now recommending that boys be vaccinated as well.

I agree with you about the status of virginity. It's sad that one's worth gets boiled down to that if one is a woman.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 01:58 PM
Response to Reply #43
88. True, but not every vaccine that comes down the pike should be forced
upon those wanting citizenship. I can understand dangerous communicable disease screening and even strongly encouraging vaccination. But Gardasil should be optional, as should Hep B. Or at the very least they should offer screening in place of vaccination.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JonQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 09:07 PM
Response to Reply #42
48. What right does she have to become a US citizen
on her terms, not ours?

Like saying our immigration authorities are forcing people to live in the US against their will. No, those are simply the rules if you want to be a citizen. Don't like them, fine, take a hike.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 09:21 PM
Response to Reply #48
51. What point is to include gardasil on the list of required vaccines?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JonQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 09:23 PM
Response to Reply #51
52. Same reason for including any other vaccine
to limit the spread of that disease.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 09:28 PM
Response to Reply #52
55. Give me a break.
She says she isn't sexually active. She doesn't have the disease. How is she gonna spread something she doesn't have?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JonQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 09:32 PM
Response to Reply #55
57. Oh my mistake
Edited on Wed Sep-23-09 09:33 PM by JonQ
a teenager has said she won't have sex, there is no more binding and trustworthy promise than that.

That's why those abstinence pledges have been a major success.

I don't know why they don't just make everyone promise not to get sick, seems like that would solve all these problems.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 09:44 PM
Response to Reply #57
60. Let's just pump everyone full of vaccines for anything they
could possibly get, no matter how remote the possibility.
And never mind gardasil doesn't prevent all types of cervical cancer and does not treat cervical cancer.
Never mind even after vaccinations women will still need to be screened for cervical cancer.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JonQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 09:50 PM
Response to Reply #60
61. So the vaccine doesn't prevent every disease
therefore it is useless.

No vaccine has a 100% success rate. We should ban them all.

And actually we do pump people full of vaccines, that's why our infectious disease rate has plummeted. I think that's a good thing personally.

You didn't happen to go to a public school did you? You know vaccinations are mandatory for public school students right?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 10:17 PM
Response to Reply #61
62. I went to public school, but not in US.
Edited on Wed Sep-23-09 10:27 PM by LisaL
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JonQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 10:20 PM
Response to Reply #62
63. In a country that has eschewed the value of vaccines?
Fortunate you survived the plagues then.

Prior to widespread use of vaccinations childhood death rates could be pretty high. Up to 50% in some instances.

Pretty rough. Of course no one had their rights trampled on by being forced to take frightening medicine, so that's nice.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 10:25 PM
Response to Reply #63
64. No. The country did not eschew the value of vaccines.
Edited on Wed Sep-23-09 10:29 PM by LisaL
But I am guessing I did not get as many as I would have gotten now days in US.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JonQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 10:28 PM
Response to Reply #64
65. Do you think vaccines are harmful?
If not then getting more, if given appropriately, would be a good thing.

You don't really hear people complaining about getting too many fruits and vegetables, for instance.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 10:30 PM
Response to Reply #65
66. What side effects do fruits and vegetables have?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JonQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 10:33 PM
Response to Reply #66
68. At the rates that are being used to denounce vaccines
there are food poisoning cases, allergic reactions, choking, etc.

People will take one instance out of a 10,000 of a vaccine making someone sick, possibly even killing them and use that to denounce all vaccines for anyone.

Conveniently ignoring the lives that would be lost without them.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 12:52 PM
Response to Reply #66
86. People can be allergic to various types of fruit. It's well-known that they can make some people ill
I knew someone who was diagnosed as having chicken-pox three times, before it was properly diagnosed as a reaction to raspberries.

I'm not exactly allergic to any foods myself, but have Crohns disease, and have learned from experience that my symptoms are greatly improved if I avoid many fruits and a few vegetables.

This is not a general recommendation to avoid fruit 'n veg(!); just pointing out that practically everything has side effects in some people.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
daedalus_dude Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 05:38 AM
Response to Reply #48
80. What right do you have to be a US citizen?
So you think you are better than others because of which uterus you came out of? Pureblood american with twelve certified generations of inbreeding?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JonQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 10:46 AM
Response to Reply #80
83. Are you for real?
Do you really believe everyone on this planet is entitled by natural right to become american citizens? If so then the INS would be unconstitutional, as they exist to deny people their "god given rights".

Could you name one country on earth that makes no effort whatsoever to restrict those who enter it's borders?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
daedalus_dude Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 11:01 AM
Response to Reply #83
84. All countries regulate migration, out of pragmatism.
Sure, we are not living in this ideal world where people have their god-given rights.

Still yet, I don't see upon what ground individuals can legitimately step up and voice support to denying other people those same rights. At best, they should silently be glad that, by chance, they have those rights that the other does not. They certainly did not earn them out of merit in any shape or form.

A person that steps up and demands that another person not be allowed to stay in the country, should at the very least present a strong case as to why they themselves make a more "valuable" member of this particular society.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 11:04 PM
Response to Original message
69. When are people going to understand that One Size Does NOT Fit All?
FYI-the U.S. gives TWICE as many vaccinations to children than any country in the world.

Vaccines are the largest growing division of the Pharmaceutical Industry.

To the tune of 13 BILLION IN PROFITS.


I see the Gardasil vaccine push as a major tragedy waiting to happen.

Just like what happened with Autism.

As Jim Carrey said in a interview with Larry King: "Autism is the canary in the Cold Mine".

For almost 20 years the medical industry and big pharma have used scare tactics to get parents to stuff their kids with vaccines.

Up to the late 80s, kids where given 10 vaccinations.

After 1990, the vaccine schedule tripled to 36 shots and the scare tactics started.

And the Autism epidemic started.

Which should never have happened in the first place.


Let me be clear:

No one is saying Not to Vaccinate.

I agree with what Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey are saying in that One Size Does NOT Fit All and that vaccinations should be cut back to 1989 levels and given on an individual basis.

The same is true of Gardasil; it should be up to the individual to decide what is best for their OWN body.

Otherwise we live in a country where Corporations and Big Brother dictate our lives to often tragic consequences!

NO THANK YOU!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Okie4Obama Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 12:05 AM
Response to Reply #69
72. Hmm, I think you are mistaken.
Citation please for US giving 2X vaccines than any other country in the world.

Germany's vaccination schedule vs. the CDC's schedule includes all but Hepatitis A and adds the HPV vaccine. So there's one country we do not give double the vaccines for children.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 01:31 AM
Response to Reply #72
76. No you are mistaken. Here-Educate yourself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPDDzwhu--s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My8fQil923Q&NR=1


Prove it to me that these stats are NOT true-otherwise STFU.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 02:20 AM
Response to Reply #76
77. "Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey on Autism" vids are "statistics? Wrong. & why the "stfu"?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Okie4Obama Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 07:13 AM
Response to Reply #76
82. I was polite.
I don't think my post deserves me being cursed out. Plus, you made the supposition, not me.

YouTube videos aren't statistics or proof.

Here are the vaccination schedules for Europe. They look to be almost the same as the US, and not 1/2 of the vaccinations suggested for our children's safety.
http://www.euvac.net/graphics/euvac/vaccination/vaccination.html

I personally trust science to protect my daughter's health, not Hollywood celebrities.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 02:21 PM
Response to Reply #82
90. I've seen it all before from those like you who want to smear anyone who thinks the Autism epidemic
was triggered by an outside source.

Yes, there can be an environmental trigger-air pollution or water, etc-but there are way too many cases of parents reporting a MAJOR change in their childs behavior after the MMR jab.

The medical industry has chosen to turn their backs on these parents and their children for the sake of the almighty dollar because there are BILLIONS of dollars at stake here.

You can go ahead and believe the so called "science" being presented by the FOR PROFIT pharma giants, but just know that any and all "studies" that those scientists are doing are bought and paid for by the pharma giants.

Which is unethical and obviously slanted to benefit the medical industry/pharma giants.


Just exactly where the hell are impartial studies to get at the root of this epidemic, hmm?!

Answer: NOWHERE TO BE FOUND.

That should tell anyone who wants to know that the pharma giants and medical industry don't really want to get to the truth.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 01:55 PM
Response to Original message
87. This is sex based discrimination to say the least. The vx is said to prevent anal and penile cancers
as well. Where are the boys forced to engage in this medical procedure before becoming citizens?

http://industry.bnet.com/pharma/10003947/latest-gardasil-for-boys-scare-tactic-penile-cancer/
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
PM Martin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 09:04 PM
Response to Reply #87
91. Gender based discrimination most certainly.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 09:09 PM
Response to Reply #91
93. Gender based =
much better terminology! ;)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WilmywoodNCparalegal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 02:16 PM
Response to Original message
89. Immigration Point of Order here...
She cannot become a U.S. citizen unless someone who is a U.S. citizen and is closely related to her petitions on her behalf, since she is a minor.

If her grandmother is a U.S. citizen, I can see how she and/or her husband can (1) formally adopt Simone (and the guardianship order in the U.K. would easily give her that without much hassle) and (2) once Simone is formally adopted, her grandmother can petition on her behalf as the adopted daughter of a U.S. citizen which, since she is 17 would be very very easy (and relatively fast) to obtain. It is unclear what her current immigration status is, if she has a green card (which is required prior to becoming a USC) or not.

From the USCIS website on the Child Citizenship Act:

1) Does my child qualify for automatic citizenship under the CCA?

Under CCA, your child will automatically acquire U.S. citizenship on the date that all of the following requirements are satisfied:

At least one adoptive parent is a U.S. citizen,
The child is under 18 years of age,
If the child is adopted, a full and final adoption of the child, and
The child is admitted to the United States as an immigrant.

3) What documentation can I get of my child's citizenship?

If your child permanently resides in the U.S, you can obtain evidence of your child’s citizenship by applying for a Certificate of Citizenship. You will need to file form N-600 (Application for Certificate of Citizenship) and submit it to the local USCIS District Office or Sub-Office that holds jurisdiction over your permanent residence. You can also apply for a U.S. passport from the Department of State.


And again, from www.uscis.gov, a Q&A on the medical exam required of almost all green card applicants:

Q: What are the new vaccination requirements?
The CDC has revised its vaccination requirements. As of July 1, 2008, the following additional vaccinations are required in order to adjust status to legal permanent resident:

Rotavirus
Hepatitis A
Meningococcal
Human papillomavirus
Zoster

NOTE: Some of these vaccinations are required for certain age groups only. During the examination with the civil surgeon, he or she will review the vaccination history, and may determine that certain vaccinations are not necessary or not appropriate. Specific information on vaccines, including tables on age-appropriate vaccines and ACIP recommendations, are available at CDC's National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases (NCIRD) website, accesible in the related links section of this page.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BolivarianHero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 09:17 PM
Response to Original message
94. I propose a compromise...
Edited on Thu Sep-24-09 09:19 PM by BolivarianHero
If she is able to pass a standard citizenship test as well as correctly identity the approximate age of the Earth, correctly name Barack Obama's religion, and correctly spell "moron", "huge", "Nazi", "socialism", "conference", "resistance", "civil", "Barack", "Obama", "win", "hypocrisy", and "official", I propose that she be granted a path to citizen. Otherwise, she gets deported and must make do with her paltry access to the EU and the British Commonwealth.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu May 02nd 2024, 12:54 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC