It creeps me out -

[Control-Z]

this idea that keeps nagging at me - interfering with my rational thoughts.

- This administration had a sinister plan - like right out of a political fiction. Election fraud, 911, Iraq...They planned it all - and the only thing that wasn't planned was the day they would have to cover their asses.

- It runs deeper than anyone wants to believe - as deep as any of us have dared to imagine.

- They are exactly what they appear to be. Evil. With nothing to be redeemed, tolerated or excused.

I hope I am wrong. I'm afraid I am right.

[I_Make_Mistakes]

1. You are correct and I am now more fearful than ever. I remember

a Bill Moyers show (I think it was when he was with PBS) were he showed organizational charts that the RW used to infiltrate all levels and departments of government. It was awhile ago and I would like to revisit this presentation, (I have been on DU for sometime now, and am learning how played the American people have been).

My problem is that, I am not sure how to assign topical search words, I don't have a clear remembrance of the shows theme!

[Control-Z]

5. It feels to me like a sinister, fictional plot

Tom Clancey novel?

Spiderman?

I'm not sure how to search it either. I don't really have the time. But, I've read enough, documented facts, to think, possibly, that not one questionable indiscretion by this administration - not one mistake, not one blunder was any less than evil in its intent.

[Breeze54]

2. You aren't wrong, I've been saying it for years!!

As have many others!!!!

Now, take the time to READ it!!!!!!

http://www.newamericancentury.org/

http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqmiddleeast.htm

Foreign Policy and the Republican Future Weekly Standard Editorial, September 7, 1998

View the Project for the New American Century's report, Rebuilding America's Defenses released September 2000
http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

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http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqmiddleeast.htm

Middle East (For Iraq click here.)

Are We Safer?, Gary Schmitt, Dallas Morning News, September 11, 2005

A New Estimate on Iran's Nukes, Project Memorandum, Gary Schmitt, August 2, 2005

Secretary Rice in Egypt, Project Memorandum, Gary Schmitt, June 21, 2005

Half Measures in Egypt, Project Memorandum, Gary Schmitt, May 10, 2005

Iran's "Right" to a Nuclear Program, Project Memorandum, Gary Schmitt, March 16, 2005

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Bolton, the Times, and Unreported Emails, Project Memorandum, Gary Schmitt, April 25, 2005
http://www.newamericancentury.org/bolton-20050425.htm

Bolton: Character Assassination, Project Memorandum, William Kristol, April 13, 2005
http://www.newamericancentury.org/bolton-20050413.htm

[Control-Z]

7. Thank you for the links

I know I am not alone but I have never felt terribly astute in the political arena. I am still shocked when I hear that my highly educated friends (doctors, scientists) are comfortable with, oblivious to, or in denial of what has happened to our country. I expect them to be miles ahead of me. When they aren't seeing things the way I do I sometimes think that maybe I'm overreacting.

Because I suspect something, or wonder about it, has never made it subject to (credible) consideration.

I guess I've been fighting with the masses - willing to hint at a multitude of wrongs - but still engaging in the idea that something still might be right - even if my gut tells me differently.

I realize it is not about opinion as much it is about awareness and I know it is bad. I guess I haven't been willing to say just how bad.

[tblue37]

23. Because of the high level of specialization and training

needed to become a doctor or a scientst, they are often the least informed of all on matters of general concern.

My brilliant daughter, a 3rd-year med student who spent a year in Ireland on a Fulbright Fellowship, barely has time to eat much less to keep up with current events. Many actual doctors have work hours that would make your head spin, and they also must read widely in their field to avoid falling behind. When they do get free time, they want to spend it with family and friends or doing something they consider fun.

Any generally intelligent person with a less bizarrely demanding job has a better chance of being well-informed in anything outside a specialized field than a doctor or a scientist. I rememebr asking a man once why he decided to become a dentist, because the idea of being in people's mouths all day seemed less than appealing to me. He said he was interested in medicine and wanted a good income, but he also wanted a life, and being a dentist was more likely to provide the freedom to have a life than being a docor would. It required fewer years of training, and he could keep reasonable hours.

BTW, my daughter keeps informed by relying on me to be her filter and clipping service. In her case, it works well, because I make an intense effort to know what's really going on and I advise her honestly. But suppose I were a fundamentalist right wing Republican. All the news and opinion she would ever get would be totally false.

[Control-Z]

42. What you say it true

My best girlfriend is a doc and sometimes I am amazed at how behind she is in her thinking. She is very naive about the political side of issues like "Choice" but bright and progressive on a practical/medical level.

It's good your daughter has you to keep her informed.

[bbgrunt]

32. no you are not alone. Welcome to the 911 truth movement

[conscious evolution]

21. Great links to great information.

This is the stuff that needs to be spread far and wide.Way to many people still underestimate the current regime because they do not know what the controlling ideaology behind it all is about.PNAC is the blueprint from which they are working.If you want to stop their plans you have to know what they are envisioning as the end game scenario for their plans.

[nam78_two]

3. They certainly have a very creepy strain of nihilism that I find terrifying

Its mostly the environmental stuff that creeps me out the most. If you watched the Kerry Vs. Gingrich deb ate last week and in general follow this stuff, you know that they don't really believe in their own bs about the science on global climate change being inconclusive etc.
Yet they keep suppressing it, distorting it and so on....

These people are lacking in basic survival instincts in my book. Whats up with that :shrug:?

[Breeze54]

4. Read PNAC!!! ~ "The New World Order" !!!!

It's real and it's already .......here!!! :scared:

[Control-Z]

8. Don't they understand that

their climate is the same as ours? Are they selfish, greedy and cruel enough to leave it for their children to deal with - after it's too late? Have they no vision? I don't get it.

Is it pure evil - like out of a comic book?. Their kids don't even come first?

[tblue37]

24. "History? We'll all be dead."

As Bush's famous retort indicates, they are so selfish that they don't care about their children's future. All they care about is their own wealth and power in the here and now.

[EFerrari]

9. Mark Crispin MIller called them suicidal.

The creepy part is they don't know it and don't care if they take us with them.

[Jade Fox]

28. Do you have a link for that?

I'd love to read more of what Miller had to say. His is the clearest perspective I have read in regards to the way these people project all their own crimes and corruption onto us. So I'd like to find out how he comes to the conclusion the Neocons are suicidal.

[EFerrari]

29. He said it on his BookTv segment for Fooled Again. He also

discusses the topic in the book itself.

The projective quality of their corruption also ties in in an interesting way with John Dean's idea about authoritarians in the sense that if your project your evil *over there*, then you indeed have created an external threat to fear and to defend against, and a need for an authoritarian leadership. Pretty neat trick, isn't it? This is (imho)how the Republican party expands their relatively small base.

/oops

[Jade Fox]

36. Thank you.

I'll put a hold on Fooled Again at the library right now. While I'm at it, I'll put one on Conservatives Without Conscious too.

[EFerrari]

38. Imho, understanding the aims of the projection

is about the most important thing we can do to dismantle this Bush mafia in its current incarnation.

[treestar]

52. They are suicidal in a scary mass way even while they

condemn all of the Muslims for being of the same religion as the few of that religion who are suicidal - who, at least, aren't taking out the entire planet with their attacks.

[EFerrari]

54. I don't think real suicide bombers would even exist

without the horrendous policy our "government" has pursued.

They elicit the worst in everyone and everything and every situation. Like an @sshole magnet.

[misternormal]

27. Had a Winger tell me the other day...

... that Global Warming was due to the sun burning hotter, not anything that the human race was doing to the planet...

:shrug: Where the hell do these people come up with this stuff??

All they need to do is read... Oh yeah, I forgot... They rely on Faux...

What was I thinkin'?

[StarryNite]

6. Creepy

It is a very creepy time for our country. I always feel like the other shoe is about to drop. I can't even count how many have dropped up to this point but it seems to be never ending. And nothing is done about it. Why do so many Democratic politicians feel that impeachment should be off the table?

[NYC]

10. I should not be off the table.

Keep writing letters. Write to Pelosi at [e-mail] .

Welcome to DU. :hi:

[emanymton]

16. Welcome To DU. When One Draws One's Sword, ...

throw away the scabbard. Impeachment is coming. So be prepared because one cannot strike to wound.

This fight for regime change in USA will not be civil; it will barely be legal. Expect it to shake the Republic to its core. Expect the troops to be deployed on the streets.

[Control-Z]

26. I try to believe

that impeachment will come when the time is right - that the people we have chosen to lead our country out of this madness know better than I about how best to make that happen - or, that they know how to take this administration down with means that are more effective and efficient than impeachment.

I gave up on believing in our elected representatives for a while. With every branch of our government being run by Bushites it was difficult to discern if we even had any true representation.

I feel we do now - with Nancy Pelosi, our new congress, and our majority in the senate, my hope has been renewed. I can't tell you how inspired I am to have a woman take the lead. But, I would be equally inspired by anyone who stood up and voiced the same strong message.

Many shoes have already dropped. I hope we don't allow more with our complacency .

[newyawker99]

33. Hi StarryNite!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[DCKit]

40. Jeebus, I thought it was really big hail. n/t

[Control-Z]

41. Btw

Welcome, StarryNite.

Hope you love DU as much as I.

[leftofthedial]

11. damn straight

they are fascists

2000 was a coup

[cassiepriam]

20. Yes it was. And we are now in a civil war of sorts. Not with guns but with ideas and values.

[orleans]

12. i hope you're wrong too but i'm afraid you're right

check out google video of aaron russo interview -- that was my most recent in the category of mind blowing

[Control-Z]

43. Which one

Several choices came up when I googled aaron russo.

[orleans]

55. the second link if you google his name that has a title starting

"historic interview with arron russo fighting cancer..."
it's 1 hr 9 min

then watch "america freedom to fascism" which is the second link 1hr 49 min.

[Pachamama]

13. Creeps me out too...and I want to be wrong, but am afraid we are right...

I remember having this recurring nightmare about nuclear war and then breaking down crying one night when in the dream it was revealed it was Bush who starts it....I was shaking...my husband calmed me down saying..."It's only a dream.."

Meanwhile, when Bush makes statements like "..we'll all be dead..." (when asked about how history will remember him and his Presidency) - I shudder...

I agree with you about what seems to be this unstoppable and unlimited hubris and arrogance....There seems to be absolutely no concern on their part of "being caught and punished"...Why is that?

I told my husband 2 years ago following the '04 elections when he said "well, the good news is he can't run again and we are rid of him in Jan. '09"...I said "Why do I have this really bad feeling that he isn't going away?"

I also feel that the more they are cornered, the more dangerous they are and will do ANYTHING to preserve their power....stay tuned...I think there are rough seas ahead...for all of us, our country, the world...the only thing that keeps me sane is the belief that it will all end well...unfortunately after much suffering...

:hi:

[Control-Z]

45. I am chilled to the bone

We've been living in a nightmare but the worst may be yet to come.

'...the only thing that keeps me sane is the belief that it will all end well...'

I believe that too. :hug:

[Rosemary2205]

14. I've been saying this for 20 years.

Reagan/Bush1 was incredibly corrupt, in thick with some VERY bad people around the world. During the Clinton years I had a little hope but once GW decided to run and won then I new we were in for some serious deep shit and it's only going to get worse every time Americans are stupid enough to give Republicans any power.

[Control-Z]

47. I miss Bill

Those were the most peaceful years of my life so far - even with all the impeachment crap.

[Kablooie]

15. But the big problem is that even though everything is coming out in the open...

nobody can do anything about it.

It seems that our Congress has the ability to be investigate and subpoena but nothing else.
And if the evil decides to ignore the subpoenas, no one can do anything but fret and fume.
The Congress apparently have no legal powers to really do anything anymore.


Unless something drastically changes soon, these monsters will totally succeed and we will have to live under the consequences for the rest of our lives.

[cassiepriam]

19. Yep. Stealing America was like taking candy from a baby.

A slam dunk. This country was ripe for the picking.

[cassiepriam]

17. You are correct. And we still do not know the worst of it. There is more.

Much more. It may take years for the whole truth to come out.
If ever.

[cooolandrew]

18. I think the use of the whole Iran contra team was a clue where they were going.

[w4rma]

22. It's worse. Their plan includes corrupting the Democratic Party through the DLC, too.

Remember to ask who "they" are. "They" might not be who you think they are.

Imho, "they" are the people with so much money and power that their names and faces are never shown and only very rarely talked about in big media. "They" no longer claim any nation as their home--you must take this into account when trying to figure out their agenda.

[Nimrod2005]

25. Add: CORPORATISM: industries which benefited from Bush in power, 911, Iraq, Anthrax..etc.

big pharma, oil, military industrial complex, healthcare industry...All traditionally in bed with the GOP!

[LoZoccolo]

30. Some information on the psychology of conspiracy theories from Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory#Psychological_origins

[CrispyQ]

31. Some days I can hardly manage to read LBN. --nt

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

34. Skull & Bones plans world domination

in partnership with the Illuminati.

[crappyjazz]

35. Did you see the Power of Nightmares?

I just watched all three hours today.

It is evil, and you are right.

[stirlingsliver]

37. Worse That You Can Imagine.

Imagine for a minute the very worst thing you can about the current "administration" -- that they had a most sinister planl, including election fraud, 911, Iraq -- they planned it all.

Then consider this: The plan that the "administration" IN FACT HAS is WORSE that you imagine.

[butterfly77]

39. I believe that if more of the soldiers were home...

there would be more of an outrage because they would be able to say more. I also believe that what they have in store is worse than we are imagening, when you watch bush and cheney with their arrogance and smirks they have something planned...

[ThomWV]

44. And stuffing all the Agencys with Robertson's little droids

they are planting seeds that will be around for the next 40 years.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

46. You are not wrong. You are all too right I fear. n/t

[HuffleClaw]

48. "the only thing that wasn't planned was the day they would have to cover their asses."

that sure seems evident considering recent events since the midterm elections. i think they planned on stealing that election too but voter turnout added to some states dealing with the evoting fraud possibilities prevented that from occurring. it seems they never thought they'd have to deal with their crimes being aired. what they will now do in response to this is scary too. there are several possibilities, none of which are pleasant.

[blues90]

49. All of it freaks me out , all of it .

I can handle the truth . If as I do believe 9/11 was an inside job and the plans to attack Iraq were planned well in advance , plus the corps planned on profiting from all of this madness , all of it .

Then we would have something we knew for certain and possibly with the truth we could end this mass horror and if not we would know what to expect and how we may possibly avoid it .

[Subdivisions]

50. What you are witnessing is a subversion of our democracy and

our way of life the likes of which have never been seen on such a scale. Profound damage has been done.

[Morgana LaFey]

53. So profound we MAY never recover -- and I believe it's all been

deliberate and purposeful, with "incompetence" as the primary cover. I believe the destruction of this nation HAS been one of the goals. I really do. Probably on the way to world domination.

[tom_paine]

51. We are all correct, and all but the handful of extreme "conspiracy theories"

have not yet been proved, primarily that the Bushies were either involved in 9-11 or LIHOPped it.

However, there is now ironcald proof, with more coming out every day, that the Bushies have done exactly what the Nazis did to their executive agencies, their justice system.

The VERY SAME thing, only less bloodily.

[Lilith Velkor]

56. It feels like tawdry political film noir to me.

Only the body count is much, much higher.

[BurtWorm]

57. I do believe they're a gang of mobsters.

I don't believe they're capable of constructing, let alone carrying out a plan that "runs deeper than anyone wants to believe - as deep as any of us have dared to imagine." Their main crime was to steal the White House in 2000, which they did, not through intellect and guile, but through force, which is how they've accomplished all they've accomplished. They're clumsy and numb as a hake, as they used to say in Maine, but they're not Evil, I don't believe. And they're certainly not evil geniuses.

[Control-Z]

58. I think that is what they

want us to believe. I try to believe there are reasonable explanations for what has happened but I have moments of absolute clarity, more and more often, that tell me otherwise.

[BurtWorm]

60. They want us to believe they're invincible.

But is this the face of an invincible evil genius?



I believe Dickhead Cheney, along with lots of other right wingers at the apex of the Republicanist power structure, has been dreaming of getting his hands on the presidency to avenge for Watergate. I still think he fell into it by accident (combined with brute force). And he's clearly too much of a CEO to keep himself from getting tripped up by own hubris.

Rove is a mere prankster and hired gun.

They're none of them pure evil or geniuses. They may be banally evil, they may be cagey and canny, but they're not without their massive vulnerabilities. Just look at what has happened to them since they actually got their wishes.

[Control-Z]

61. I hope you are right (eom)

[Trailrider1951]

59. Yep, the takeover of our country is now almost complete

You know, the one that started with the American coup de tat, Nov. 22, 1963, and will end before the next election with martial law declared....no tinfoil needed, just google "octafish", one of my favorite DUers