Rush calls the Duke LAX accuser a "ho"

[Leopolds Ghost]

OFFICIAL FIRE RUSH /GLENN BECK THREAD:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x639819#654851

On his national syndicated radio program, Rush Limbaugh referred
to the alleged victim of a rape by members of the Duke University
lacrosse team as a "ho."

http://mediamatters.org/items/200604030004

Thanks, Catchawave! :hi:

[NormanYorkstein]

1. eh, this certainly won't work

This is not going to hurt Rush, far from it. There are many things he has said that could take him down, this is not one of them.

She was a stripper, to most people that makes here a "ho" like it or not.

[Erika]

4. Rush is a bushbot ho

No wonder he would call others that. Druggie, thrice married, and he makes a judgement on strippers? Like most bushbots, he's a joke.

[NormanYorkstein]

7. true - what about Rush's "Dominican Viagra Vacation"?

He basically admitted he was down there as a "sex tourist" - that could bring him down more than this comment.

[Erika]

11. Who cares about Rush anymore?

His multiple marriages, charges on drugs, etc only make him attractive to the uneducated bushbots who are stupid enough to fill his coffers.

[Leopolds Ghost]

34. Someone cared enough about Imus to get his ass fired

But DU won't get off their ass long enough to demand that the rule applied
fairly to people they've known were "hard core RACISTS" for over a decade
and yawned. How'd you like it if it were your ethnic group he'd been
attacking for the past 17 years? You'd be manning the barricades to get
his ass fired -- and now that Imus has been fired, the principle must be
applied fairly. That's what "Fairness in Broadcasting" MEANS.

[bluestateguy]

2. The Duke lacrosse "rape victim" gets no sympathy from me

I don't condone calling her that name, but seriously, I've got better things to do than concern myself with that pathological liar.

Now the Rutgers women's basketball team, on the other hand, did nothing to hurt anybody, and Don Imus's dismissal was absolutely appropriate.

There are plenty of other things Rush says that would warrant his dismissal.

[Erika]

9. Try walking a mile in her shoes and quit being her judge

Let those without sin cast the first stone. With the rich Duke boys it's likely she and the witnesses were bought off.

[LisaL]

20. You should try to follow your own advice. Oh, and not make

baseless and outrageous accusations while you are at it.

[progdonkey]

27. are you related to her, or something?

I saw you on another thread a few days ago, talking about the "rich boys" beating the Justice system. It stuck in my head because it was so shockingly bigoted.

Yes, they're rich and white. That doesn't mean they're rapists.

Yes, she's poor and black. That doesn't mean she's incapable of making a false accusation.

Maybe you should walk a mile in their shoes and "quit being their judge." How would you like some woman to baselessly accuse you and two of your friends of raping her, then being dragged through the mud by a media that had no qualms printing everything that the crooked DA who suppressed evidence said, being kicked out of your school because of the bad publicity, and then have all the charges dropped a year later after the accuser changes her story for the nth time, the DA resigns in disgrace, and yet still have people believing that you're a rapist because your family happens to be wealthy?

Justice is blind, whether you're rich or poor, black or white, male or female. That means that you don't automatically assume the rich, "respectable" man is telling the truth and convict the poor woman, despite all evidence to the contrary, and it also means that you don't automatically assume that the poor woman is telling the truth and convict the rich man, despite all evidence to the contrary. Condemning these guys because they're rich in spite of absolutely all evidence pointing to their innocence is just as bigoted as believing a kid must be a thief and crooked because he's poor and black.

[Leopolds Ghost]

37. IS SHE A HO? YES OR NO? n/t

[JVS]

95. LOL "Let those without sin cast the first stone." And then you go on to cast a stone...

by accusing the duke students of buying people off.

:rofl:

[Leopolds Ghost]

106. They bought sex didn't they? So that makes them... what's the derogatory phrase used by Rush?

For otherwise respectable men who buy sex?

Oh, sorry, there isn't one. But DUers are quite comfortable with the reverse expression.

Why is that, exactly? :shrug:

[JVS]

109. Is this some kind of leave no stone unthrown campaign?

accuse accuse accuse!

BTW they didn't buy sex, they hired strippers.

[Leopolds Ghost]

112. They hired strippers, who they got drunk and proceeded to have sex with.

According to the law, that is prostitution and they are -- insert
non-existent epithet used against petty criminals who hire prostitutes.

[JVS]

116. do you have proof of your claims?

Anyway, what does this line of thought you are chasing have to do with Erika's hypocritical quoting of Jesus and immediate ignoring of the message of his words? That's what I commented on and I really don't care to discuss whatever seems to be bugging you.

[Leopolds Ghost]

120. Do you believe someone who says to a black man "get that bone out of your nose" should be fired?

Should a radio political commentator -- not a shock jock, not a musician
or guest -- that calls anyone a "ho" be fired? How about one who calls
Muslims animals?

If it's OK for Rush, then it's OK for Brian Williams.

If Imus goes down, Rush goes down. Unless we are too chickens--t to play "fair's fair".

[JVS]

122. You are off topic and I'm not going to dignify your stupid questions with an answer.

[Leopolds Ghost]

125. This thread is about getting Rush fired for his history of racist remarks. Read the OP

Stop trying to hijack the thread with your venom against the person Rush called a "ho".

He doesn't get permission to call people "hos" any more than
NBC Brian Williams does -- regardless of whether you think it's
"OK to bang strippers".

This thread is about firing Rush for his history of racist remarks, as documented by media matters.

See also this thread for more on firing Rush and Beck:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x639819

[JVS]

127. My venom? That's a good one. What venom,

[Leopolds Ghost]

129. Look, I don't care about the Duke rape case. I care about Rush's history of bigoted remarks on-air

That's all I care about.

Not whether the people he's referring to are "good people" or not.

Not whether Imus shouldn't have been fired for saying the same thing -- he was.

You know why I don't care about the Duke rape case? It is cable news garbage that only matters to people that watch cable. I would know or care nothing about it except for two reasons:

(a) I have folks from NC who attended Duke and NC State -- but they have suspended judgement, not being privy to the case and not being trash TV addicts, so DUers should do the same

(b) Rush called someone -- doesn't matter who -- a "ho" on-air.

The fact that roughly 70% of people, black and white, seem to want to make a distinction between the two statements by Rush and Imus says something deeply disturbing about American society that turns my gut.

[JVS]

130. No. If you're going to accuse me of venom, show me where or apologize!

[Leopolds Ghost]

131. I apologize for accusing you of venom. Now back to giving the bum Rush. nt

[JVS]

132. Thank you. And good luck on your quest to get Rush.

[Leopolds Ghost]

142. I hope it's a quest that others share

It'll take more than one person to apply the Imus rule fairly and
judiciously, which is to say, not get carried away, but certainly
there are a few people out there about to be shit-canned, if we are
judicious and deliberate and don't take it too far.

[B2G]

143. Not only do you not *care* about the Duke case

You know nothing about it either. They didn't have sex with the false accuser.

She had sex with about 5 other men according to the DNA results, not of which were the LAX players.

Try educating yourself before you open your mouth.

[Mike Daniels]

140. Can you try playing a different tape for once?

You have yet to offer any evidence of bribery or pay-offs while there's ton's of evidence that the Duke players didn't commit the crime they were accused of.

Given the passions that ran in this case and that the Durham population was ready to legally lynch these guys from the get go, don't you think someone would have been happy to announce that they were bribed to keep their mouth shut?

So far, the only intimidation that seems to have taken place is by Nifong when he arrested an alibi supporting taxi driver on a bogus 2 year old charge.

[Bluedogvoter]

103. My feelings as well.

[TahitiNut]

3. Pot. Kettle.

:puke: It takes one to know one.

[NightWatcher]

5. ATTACK!!

give him the imus treatment

[Erika]

8. Rushbo is a silly bushbot, druggie , and media ho

The Rutger gals are far above him.

[HawkerHurricane]

6. IOKIYAR

It's
OK
If
You're
A
Republican.

Call it the motto of the hypocracy brigade.

[Monkeyman]

12. Yep Al won't go after Rush

[Leopolds Ghost]

15. IOKIYAR Call it the motto of DU, as evident by some of the posts on this friend.

Apparently, people have no sympathy for the Duke person because she was a
stripper and a black woman and that makes her a "ho". If Imus had called
her a ho, what would they say? Hypocrites and concern trolls.

[Monkeyman]

16. Imus should be fired. Saying that Rush must be gone after just as hard

But I think people seem to still fear the right wing.

[Erika]

18. The right wing love rush, they could care less about his

multiple marriages, drug charges, etc. Strange people, those bushbots.

[Monkeyman]

21. I agree but we should attack him with all our hearts.

I am sick of the right wing talking heads saying or doing anything they want

[Erika]

31. and we've got so many here who support that "mindoperation n/t

[orleans]

73. apparently it's over. no one said shit. that media matters was dated april 3 2006 n/t

[Leopolds Ghost]

81. Imus got fired for a history of such statements. There's no statute of limitations on racist garbage

It has Recently Been Revealed that Rush said all this shit. Sure, some of us knew about it when it happened, but the rest of you didn't know at the time excepting for the people who still don't care.

The people who knew at the time and didn't care will bitch and moan while we get Rush's ass FIRED.

The people who didn't know at the time (most people don't know about this
or the "get your bone out of your nose" remark either) can get on board or
take the "principled" position of defending both Rush and Imus.

Or take the principle position (no scare quotes) of saying "If Imus goes,
Rush goes -- fair is fair and racism is racism."

You think this was Rush's only remark? There are DOZENS of racist remarks
by Rush and Beck which some on DU are apparently willing to defend.

Official Fire Rush and Beck thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x639819#640336

Should Imus have been fired? It doesn't matter now, does it?
All that matters now is what a man can do, and what a man can't do.
Pure power relations as established by Imus' conservative executives.

Time to make sure they understand the ramifications of their newfound
commitment to on-air decency.

Remember Rather? The guy DUers also tore down for failing to vet Bush's
TANG record, because their zombie-screens told them to?

[orleans]

134. i am hoping rush slips up in the very near future in hopes that this

momentum that america has gathered can just ride his fucking ass right out. same with that dirty worm glenn beck.

i think it was great imus got the boot--but i think, for the public to go after anyone else in the same way they would need a recent incident and then they could back it with the justification that rush or beck or coulter or savage have been doing this shit all along.

(i was almost tempted to watch beck's show tonight for that very reason. but i figured someone else--such as media matters--will monitor it so i don't have to look at his fucking face or listen to his poison)

[Erika]

17. Yes, and the rich white boys who called for a Black stripper

were the victim of the Black stripper. So bushbot.

[Leopolds Ghost]

23. Don't you know? She's a nappy-headed ho.

:sarcasm:

(Watch this post get mistakenly deleted for being non-PC in its sarcasm
while the real creeps who express this -- dare I say it -- racist?
sentiment more subtly, get cheered on by folks with 1000-post counts.

Especially all the "sensible centrists" on DU... I always love it when
the "centrists" on DU tend to come down on the left of every issue BUT
race and welfare. "Sensible centrist" means something in my part of the
country...it means, I am a full citizen of the Empire, not a subject...
unlike some.)

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

10. Didn't She Have Semen From Like 5 Different Guys Inside Of Her Or Something?

Even regardless, might not have been appropriate to call her a ho. But after what she did to those boys, I probably would've used a much harsher four letter word to describe her.

[Erika]

14. Those boys who called a Black stripper to perform for them?

Rich boys who also hired a taxi to bring them a pizza. These "boys" are disgusting in their elitism and racism.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

22. You Mean The Boys Who Were Falsely Accused In A Deplorable And Evil Fashion?

Those are the ones that I was talking about.

[Leopolds Ghost]

25. You mean like Imus did?

What's good for the goose is good for the gander (Rush).

Or do you want us to come off as just an enabler?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

28. Imus Filed A False Report Of Rape On Somebody? What The Hell Are Ya Talkin About Dude?

Your posts are making zero sense to me. I have not an iota of an idea what in the world you are talking about or why you keep responding with passive aggression towards me. Methinks you're deducing something from my replies that just quite simply isn't there.

[Leopolds Ghost]

32. Imus got fired for his words. Rush should be fired for his words

Which are racist, regardless of you saying it's OK to make racist remarks
about "common criminals" as you seem to view accusers in rape cases who
can't prove anything.

[Erika]

38. Rush was only caught with Viagara in the Dominican Republic

that is known for slavery of children to sex acts.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

58. How Is Calling Her A Ho Racist? Sexist Maybe, But Racist?

And two wrongs don't make a right pal. You know that right?

[Erika]

82. You don't know that? After Imus

You just don't know that Ho is racist? OK.

[LisaL]

84. I believe racist applied to "nappy headed." Not HO.

[Leopolds Ghost]

93. How about "get that bone out of your nose before calling my show"?

[Leopolds Ghost]

89. According to CBS and NBC, it's racist. That means it's a firing offense for RWers too.

Unless folks are suggesting the rules of broadcasting don't apply to conservatives like Glenn Beck.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

90. Oy Vey Please Tell Me You're Kidding.

Holy cow.

[Erika]

26. The rich boys who hired a Black stripper to entertain them

and whose families could have bought off witnnesses? Yeah, we're talking about them.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

30. Nothin Wrong With Hiring A Stripper Whatsoever. Falsely Accusing People Of Rape? DEPLORABLE.

Until she publicly comes forward to apologize for attempting to ruin their lives, I hope she rots in hell. Just a disgustingly evil and selfish person she is.

[Erika]

33. I imagine she's already received her payoff from the parents

of those po little white boys who soliticed a Black stripper at their drunken whims.

[bluestateguy]

40. Well, we'll certainly be waiting for you to provide the proof of that accusation

Otherwise you can just say that the evidence is that there is no evidence because it's all been covered up!

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

44. She's An Evil And Selfish Ignoramus Who Should Be Put In Jail For Her Actions.

You can defend her all you want out of bitterness that the boys were white and rich; but last I checked there's not a damn thing wrong with being either. She made a ton of things up and tried to ruin the lives of innocent people for her own selfish and evil reasons. She's worse than scum and should rot in hell. I don't know how anyone, especially a liberal, could defend such filth. There is nothing more deplorable than being vindictive towards somebody or trying to hurt their entire existence through deceit and lies. That is the worst of the worst. That applies no matter what race or income level the person is that it was done to. What she did was disgraceful and hurtful and I feel for the victims of her evil.

[Erika]

119. There was never even a trial

The boys parents probably bought off the witnesses.

You do sound like Rush.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

123. There Wasn't A Trial Because There Was No Evidence. They Were Innocent.

Are you advocating that innocent people should go on trial? How decent of you. This is the silliest and most uninformed subthread I've witnessed here. Pure ludicrousness. Goodnight now.

[Leopolds Ghost]

41. "I hope she rots in hell" -- IS SHE A HO? YES OR NO?

Hiring a stripper -- $100.

Operationmindcrime - priceless. ;-)

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

48. She Probably Is, But That's Her Right Anyway. None Of My Business Really.

But it's not her sexual activities that I care about. It's her evil, selfish and disgusting ability to intentionally set out to ruin the lives of innocents. So yes, until she publicly grovels with apology my opinion of her is that she should rot in hell.

[progdonkey]

145. "could" have?

So, you have absolutely no evidence that anyone was "bought off," but because you "imagine" they "could have," it's just as valid as far as you're concerned?

You are a vile, disgusting human being.

I bet you're a huge fan of Guantanamo: those "terrorists" "could have" something to do with al Qaeda, which is just as good as proof, right?

Oh, wait, they're not rich and white, so Guantanamo is an awful crime against humanity... but if they were, you'd be all for throwing them in a hole and being tortured. They're rich and white, after all: they must be guilty of something. If there's no evidence, it's because they control everything. (Hmm, what does that sound like?)

Just because the target of your bigotry isn't a minority doesn't make your bigotry any less vile and reprehensible than bigotry against Blacks, Jews, Arabs, Muslims, etc.

Bigotry is bigotry, and you are a bigot.

[Leopolds Ghost]

19. Wow, everyone should read this -- the hypocrisy and creepy implications are stunning

You should get a job on Sirius with Imus.

The Hypocrisy on this thread is mind-boggling.

Time to fire Rush.

Anyone who thinks what Imus did was Ok, and this is Ok, but don't want Imus reinstated
are Concern Trolls who need to stop pretending they aren't fronting for the opposition
and start a "reinstate Imus" thread if they want to be taken seriously. If they do I will
defend them tooth and nail for a sincere and well-thought-out position. But they aren't
sincere, they are enablers and Quislings who think it's OK to fire someone as long
as they are a Democrat but if we fire a right winger "it'll come back to haunt us".

People who think what Imus did was a firing offense, are Hypocrites
because not one -- not one! -- of the folks here on DU has responded to the
"Official fire Rush and Glenn Beck thread" with concrete suggestions, even after
I suggested a game plan for working on the issue.

(see post #27 in this thread: )

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x639819#640336

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

24. Hey Do Me A Favor Pal, And Show Me Where I Ever Supported The Firing Of Imus.

Not sure why the hell ya felt the need to rant like that to my reply.

[Leopolds Ghost]

29. OK, so you are taking the "consistent" position.

What Imus said is not a firing offense, so nothing Rush has said ("get that bone out of your nose" etc.) is a firing offense either. And in either case, you don't care if Imus gets fired but Rush doesn't. I care about Fairness in Media. Fairness doesn't mean nobody gets fired. It means the rules apply equally to everyone whether you like the game or not. Otherwise you're advocating a purge, because the right wing (the people whose jobs you're defending on principle) is quite happy to continue getting people like Rather and Donahue fired while liberals yawn, but try and get Rush fired and it's "EVEN THINKING THOSE SORT OF THOUGHTS WILL COME BACK TO HAUNT US!"

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

39. Not Sure What Your Malfunction Is.

My post was geared towards that evil, selfish, deserves to rot in hell blankety blank that accused those players. Do I think Rush should be fired for calling her a ho? Absolutely not. Do I think Imus should've been fired? Absolutely not. So what is your problem then? You think because a bunch of people got Imus fired that I'm now obligated to join other lynch mobs towards others who said something I don't think they should be fired for? How does that make sense?

I have no idea what in the world you are trying to say here. I think rush is an asshole and it boggles my mind that he has as many listeners as he does. He's obnoxious, ignorant and inflammatory. But I don't think he should be fired for it, I just think a whole lot of people need to wake up to his deceitful ways. I don't think Imus deserved near the outrage he received for what he said. But I think Imus is an asshole too. I always have. But if people want to listen to him then so be it. But what is it you're so perturbed at me for? Is it that I'm not carrying a pitchfork demanding the dismissal of rush? Why should I? I never fight for causes I don't believe in, just for sake of peer pressure. Is that what you're attempting to get me to do? Sorry, ain't gonna happen. I have too much personal integrity to engage in such practices.

[Leopolds Ghost]

45. OK, you think the Duke accuser is a blankety blank and what Imus said wasn't all that bad either

For the record, I don't think Imus should have been fired, and he wouldn't
have been fired had he been a right winger who was openly Nazi. Now that
the principle has been established, however, it is and SHOULD BE open
season on the fascists.

Anyone else can stand aside and bitch helplessly after the offenders have been drummed off the air, as they are doing in the Imus case (i.e. not lifting a finger to get him reinstated or anything. :hi: )

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

56. You Seem To Be Confused.

My not thinking that Imus should've been fired does not equate to me caring enough for him to actively advocate for his rehiring. I wish him the best and hope he moves on, but I can't stand the guy personally, so though I disagree with his firing that doesn't mean I feel the need to invest energy into his rehiring either. And regardless of that, it would be one in a million anyway of getting him rehired. That's just common sense.

I still don't understand why you are taking such issue with me in this whole Imus/rush thing. From things you've said it seems there's no way to win with ya. I don't know what the hell you're looking for and what the fuck ya want to hear; and frankly, I'm losing interest. My main reply was towards the piece of filth rush was referencing. You've turned it into something else. Problem is, I have no idea what the hell that something else is that you want me to say.

Goodnight.

[Leopolds Ghost]

111. Yes, it's not like Rush ever ruined the lives of young boys the way she did.

No consequences for them,

no consequences at all if conservatives spew racist garbage on-air.

If a liberal says something on-air however he is racist and should
be fired... His bosses say so. Why? Because consumers of their
product said so. Not because of "freedom of speech". Apparently,
that is life. This is a pure power play and liberals are unwilling
to exercise people power, it seems.

[Erika]

49. You sure got the pitchforks out for the Black stripper

hired by the rich white boys.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

60. As I Should. She's A Disgusting Disgrace Of Humanity. Just Pure Utter Filth.

And are you bigoted towards rich white people or something? Bigotry is disgraceful and rooted in sheer ignorance no matter what the race it's towards. I hope you know that.

[Name removed]

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[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

71. I'll Enable The Concept Of Truth And Defending Innocents Any Day. As Far As Slappin Her Goes,

it ain't got a damn thing to do with her race. It's got to do with her black heart and evil soul. She's a disgusting disgrace who should be put in jail. What she did was deplorable and monumentally selfish and ignorant. It's people like her who make this world shit; the selfish, vindictive and greedy ones.

[Erika]

77. Hey, you sound like Limbaugh

Wonder why. The rich boys were tainted in hiring a Black stripper in the first place. A little of the "plantation" theme, or a touch of the Strom Thurmond supriority?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

86. You Sound Like An Uneducated Nancy Grace With Some Of What You Put Forth Here. What's Your Point?

And they hired a stripper, not a black stripper. So damned if I (or probably anyone else here for that matter) have any idea what the hell you're talking about with plantations and strom thurmond superiority. This discussion has turned into monumental silliness.

[Erika]

108. I think you would think that way

Not surprising. I mean race would never enter into our problems, right? As Reagan said, he could remember in the 1950's when there were no race problems.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

114. I Can't Help But Think That Only You And You Alone Know What On Earth You're Talking About.

I'm done with you. It has been a complete and utter waste of my time. Have fun with your theories ok? :rofl:

Nightey Night

[realisticphish]

62. Ok

So, let's play a little game. Imagine if she was white instead of black. Would that change anything? Not really. What if the boys were black? No, nothing there either. What if they were poor? Nope. What if they were women hiring a guy? And no yet again.

She was a stripper. She was hired to do so. She falsely accused her hirers of rape.

The end.

[Erika]

72. There was no trial to prove or disprove the allegations

But the rich white boys certainly had the funds to buy off the witnnesses.

[LisaL]

76. What witnesses?

You are coming up with ridiculous accusations. Even the other stripper who was there called the rape allegation a "crock."

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

79. There Was No Trial Because Charges Were Dropped Due To The COMPLETE Lack Of Evidence Required To

HAVE A FUCKING TRIAL.

I think it's fairly obvious that the case was as weak as weak can be and that filthy disgusting excuse for a human being made it up for selfish, vindictive and greedy reasons. I think you are so upset that they were rich and white, that even now after learning of their innocence and her heinous acts, you still can't bring yourself to see the truth, because you have this inner need to vilify rich white people and lack the capability to turn away from such hate. That's pretty sad to be honest with ya.

There was no trial because there was no crime. Get over it.

[Erika]

87. The parents had a lot of money

I know that Sally Hemmings brought it on herself. Get real. Sarcasm dripping.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

98. Serious Personal Question For Ya. Ya Don't Have To Answer If Ya Don't Want,

But have you ever sought counseling for your irrational hatred towards rich white people? Such bigoted anger towards whole groups of people is not healthy nor wise. And I mean that sincerely, not sarcastically or harshly.

[Erika]

115. I suggest you are projecting.

Who are you to assume such things?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

121. I'm Projecting A Hatred Towards Rich White People? Oh Rilly? That's A Good One.

As far as assuming such things on the flip side of the argument, I'd say you've given more than enough reasons for the question to be asked. But like I said, you don't have to answer. I just hope someday you'll realize how dangerous a position that is to hold.

[realisticphish]

91. and if they were italian

I assume they would have had the witnesses whacked, right?

God, all this is insane. I'm done talking about it on DU.

[ncabot22]

138. The Attorney General (A Democrat) said they were innocent

No evidence supported her allegations, which changed numerous times. This isn't the first time she accused men of gang-raping her. Her latest version: she was raped while suspended in mid-air. Unless it was Houdini who raped her, then I haven't a clue how that would happen.

To hold a trial you need evidence. There was none. No evidence existed. Nada. None. Nothing. Get over your prejudice against "rich" kids. Jesus. They are not Fortune 500 families. They aren't the Vanderbilts, they aren't Trumps. They are upper middle class guys who were lucky enough to have parents who could afford a good school.

By the way, do you still think Susan Smith's sons were kidnapped by a black guy? I mean, I know she's in jail and all but still...she said it happened. Do you believe Tawana Brawley? Oh, did the Scottsboro boys really rape two white women? I'm just curious if your blinders work for all of these cases or just the Duke case.

[LisaL]

13. She is an escort service worker.

"Over the next year she danced nights at a strip club, attended daytime classes at N.C. Central University and squeezed in odd hours working as an escort.

Escort services send women to male callers for "companionship" or dancing for a flat rate. The companies typically skirt prostitution charges by claiming they're not responsible if their escorts engage in sex with a client."




http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/563697.html

[Leopolds Ghost]

47. IS SHE A HO? YES OR NO? n/t

[Monkeyman]

35. Ok I have to ask everyone here should Rush get away with what he says

Imus needed to be gone. But Rush has attacked us how many time? So where is our outrage? Just Asking?

[Truthiness Inspector]

36. The definition of a "ho"

is someone who exchanges sexual favors for compensation.

The Rutgers basketball players do not do any such thing, while the Duke accuser does/did.

[Erika]

43. How about the purchaser of sex acts?

No charges for them? You just want to call them women names? You're sick.

[Truthiness Inspector]

50. "Ho-purchasers?"

LOL.

Feel better?

[Erika]

52. I think the white boys got into it much more. n/t

[Leopolds Ghost]

51. I have no Sympathy for the Duke lacrosse players. They are a bunch of f*cking criminals

Either they raped her or they hired her for sex. Case closed.

It's against the law to hire a prostitute -- if that's what folks on this thread are claiming she is.

The main thing is, whatever we do, don't hold Rush accountable. That would make him angry, and you wouldn't like him when he's angry. x(

Now, just because they are criminals, should they be in jail?
No. But they shouldn't have clean records and get to go to the
championship game, either.

[LisaL]

53. They hired her in a capacity of a stripper, which is

perfectly legal.

[Leopolds Ghost]

55. And yet you're alleging she is a 'ho

Where is your proof?

Better yet, who needs proof? Imus got fired for using these words on air
in a similar context. It is one of the seven deadly words. Rush is gone.
case closed.

[LisaL]

59. She is an escort.

[Leopolds Ghost]

65. So, they hired her for sex.

Illegal and against NCAA rules. Ban em.

[LisaL]

74. They hired her for stripping.

She is an escort and a stripper. Didn't you read the article?

[Leopolds Ghost]

117. "Didn't you read the article?"

This thread is about Rush's history of racist and sexist remarks,
of which this is only the most ironic, not even the most pertinent
to the Imus situation. That would be "get that bone out of your nose".

If "ho" is not remotely racist and sexist, fine. Post your own thread
saying that Imus didn't say anything he should have to apologize for,
much less get fired for. After all, you don't believe in a double
standard do you? Or do you make a big deal whenever shock jocks get
accused of indecent remarks against minorities and women? All you are
really saying is there is nothing Rush and Beck can say that would
get them fired, in your eyes.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

68. If You Truly Think This Is Comparable To The Imus Situation, Then You Are All Sorts Of Flawed In

your contextual comprehension of these two things.

For real. I don't know how you have truly convinced yourself that these two things are comparable and on the same plane. I'm a bit astounded by it. I've seen many profound posts from you in the past but this one is just all sorts of illegitimate. Sorry.

[Erika]

102. It is a denigration of females

I accept your apology and am working on the forgiveness.

[Erika]

57. Yep. Rich white boys hiring Black strippers

and then saying it was only platonic. What a joke. I wonder how much the witnesses were paid off to change their stories.

[LisaL]

63. What witnesses? Quit making baseless ridiculous accusations.

[Erika]

83. If you don't know about the witnesses

I say you are rediculous.

[ncabot22]

139. Not case closed

Just because someone is a stripper it doesn't mean that she/he is a prostitute. Newsflash: men and women hire strippers everyday. Most of these transactions end without claims of rape. This one didn't because of a woman with mental issues.

College guys like strippers. A lot of women like to watch male strippers. I like to watch strippers--but I've never raped anyone (well, not that I could I'm a woman..although I suppose there are ways)

Vancouver, where I live, has gorgeous strippers. More power to them. They earn a lot of money from people dumb enough to part with it.

[dysfunctional press]

42. so what? she was.

nt.

[Erika]

46. A Black stripper hired by white rich college kids

I think the boys did a pretty good job of slamming her while they hired her.

[Monkeyman]

54. Ok so what if she was White, Native American Or any other race

Would you feel the same?

[Erika]

61. Rich boys hiring Black female exotic dancers in the South?

Strom Thurmond understands them completely. Oh, he's dead now.

[LisaL]

If that is going to make you feel any better, they did not ask

for black strippers.

[dysfunctional press]

66. in fact- they requested that AT LEAST ONE be white.

which means that they would have been happy with two white girls, but not two black girls.

[Monkeyman]

69. Erika you still haven't said how you would feel if she was white, Native American or any other race

Rich boys hire them all. Me I will tell you this I have Black White Red Brown Brothers I would die for can you say the same?

[LisaL]

78. Take a look at her posts. Maybe you will get a clue.

She uses a capital letter for Black but not so for white.

[Monkeyman]

92. But you have to ask

I feel if you say something you need to explain why you feel that way. I want the truth so I know who I am dealing with. That's the way I am.

[Erika]

94. And this means what? n/t

[LisaL]

104. You tell me. Why are using a capital letter for black but not

for white?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

105. The Blatant Bigotry And Racism Bothers Me As Well.

But what can ya do.

[Erika]

110. (Blame it all on the Blacks and their Hos)

Like Imus and Limbaugh.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

118. No. See, I'm Not A Bigot Or Racist. I'll Blame Individuals. And There's Only One Individual We

were referring to, thank you. Only ignoramuses harbor irrational bigoted hatred towards entire groups. Such an ignorant and dangerous position people like that have, regardless of which race or type of person they harbor such bigotry towards.

Goodnight.

[Erika]

97. How about Sisters, Monkeyman? n/t

[Monkeyman]

107. Yes I have many I would go to the mat for Erika

It does not matter to me who they are if wronged they will face me. I do not know what happened here but she needs not to be attacked she need help or she needs justice.. Bottem line here is Rush needs to be taken on. Forgot my Godson is Black anyone who ever messed with him well lets just say you don't want to know

[Erika]

113. Thanks Monkeyman

Very much. I appreciate your posts so much. I viewed the Vietnam wall in DC for the first time this year in DC.
It touchd me deeply.

[Leopolds Ghost]

128. Damn Right, Monkeyman!

I can't believe folks are saying "if you don't like Rush or me calling someone a ho -- and then demanding a liberal talk jock be fired for doing the same -- leave DU."

[dysfunctional press]

64. makes her any less of a "ho" how, exactly???

and for what it's worth- the article i read said that the lacrosse team had ordered two strippers and requested that at least one be white- to me that means that they never requested a black stripper, and wanted to be sure that they didn't get two black strippers, but would have been happy with two white strippers.

[Leopolds Ghost]

70. "requested that at least one be white"

Interesting. I think you've been watching too much Boondocks
if you believe that this is all just fun and games to most people.

This is hard core power relations and so is firing Rush.

But you already got yours, so you don't care who the media fires and who it doesn't, right?

[dysfunctional press]

75. i haven't watched any boondocks. and some people need to get a life.

i don't believe in going after anyone who's just doing their job within the boundaries of the law.
i certainly don't think that imus should have been fired for the comment he made in the context it was made in.

[Leopolds Ghost]

96. Yes, but the Fairness act is dead. Liberals will continue to be held to the Imus/Rather standard

And DU will continue to tolerate the double standard, apparently.

[dysfunctional press]

101. if you don't like the way things go at DU- you're completely free to start your own forum.

ain't the internets great?

[Leopolds Ghost]

124. If you don't like people lobbying to get Rush fired, you're free to stay off the thread

Or not.

Or post your own thread saying "this should go no further, Rush and Beck
are being viciously attacked!"

[dysfunctional press]

126. actually, i'm free to state my opinion where i see fit.

i saw fit.

[Leopolds Ghost]

133. And I am free to state my opinion on DU as well

However, Rush and Beck are not free to remain on-air so long as Imus
and Rather are not and for similar (stated) rules. You know why Imus
and Rather got fired? Pressure from audience (consumers) who didn't
share the high-falutin' "boycotts are a form of violence and against
free speech" attitude.

[dysfunctional press]

135. i never said that you weren't...

just like i never said that "boycotts are a form of violence and against
free speech".

wanna bet that rush limbaugh won't fall quite so easily as imus?

[dysfunctional press]

80. and as far as "requested that at least one be white" is concerned...

THEY made that rquest, not me. (although had i been placing the order, i probably would have made the same stipulation)

[man4allcats]

85. But did he call her a

"nappy-headed" ho? That is the question. I mean it's one thing to be a ho, but if you're a black ho, well that's different. If you're a white ho, you're just a call girl or an "escort," but if you're a black ho then you're just a whore. Then again, what do I know? I'm just a ho myself (well, though white I'm actually probably a whore). Personally, I think Congress is made up of nothing other than a bunch of whores because they're willing to let Bush and Cheney slide for a chance to win the executive branch in 2008.

Way to go, anotheryellowdog! Spoken like a true ho!


Impeach Bushco!

[LisaL]

88. That's a lot of HOS in one post.

[man4allcats]

100. What can I say?

We hos like to be counted. :-)


Impeach Bushco!

[JVS]

99. I move that we submit the question to Snoop Doggy Dog

[dogfacedboy]

136. Nah--he was talking about his mother.

He left out the "diseased, alcoholic" part, though.

[Monkeyman]

137. There is a Video Now Posted you all need to watch

This crap end tonight so help me. Hate is not the DU way

[Leopolds Ghost]

141. Did you all see the CBS News Sunday Morning commentary by a black woman broadcaster?

I don't know her name (I rarely watch the show.)

She played the tapes of Rush's, Beck's, Hannity's comments and basically said
"selective outrage? where's the beef? why are guys in my profession,
most of whom are white males, willing to joke about what Imus said
but aren't willing to apply this standard to other broadcasters like
themselves?"

"And OH YEAH, DON'T EVER TALK ABOUT A BLACK WOMAN'S HAIR..." :evilfrown:

[misanthrope]

144. He oughtta' know**nm

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