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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 12:53 PM Original message |
Guardian UK: America's failed model for the world |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
1. "It's as if your democracy doesn't work anymore." |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 09:59 PM Response to Reply #1 |
49. that was a great closing line for the snippet. n/t |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 12:08 AM Response to Reply #1 |
61. Sadly - it hasn't for more than EIGHT AND A HALF YEARS now...!!! |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 01:07 PM Response to Reply #61 |
106. Except for the very wealthy |
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Threedifferentones (820 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 06:54 AM Response to Reply #61 |
124. Because healthcare reform went so well under Clinton, right? |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 10:11 AM Response to Reply #1 |
92. I have become totally disgusted with far too many Americans. |
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Desertrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 01:04 PM Response to Original message |
2. I don't understand it either..... |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 01:15 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Brazil, China, India |
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enid602 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 03:37 PM Response to Reply #6 |
23. Brazil,. China, India |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 04:00 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Despite that, they are implementing universal health care |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 12:05 PM Response to Reply #25 |
98. China does not have universal health care |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 12:07 PM Response to Reply #98 |
100. They are implementing universal health care |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 07:47 AM Response to Reply #23 |
81. um okay, and your point is? |
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nxylas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 12:54 PM Response to Reply #81 |
104. I think the poster's point was.... |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 01:09 PM Response to Reply #23 |
108. One mindless jingoist heard from (n/t) |
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enid602 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 02:16 PM Response to Reply #108 |
120. just traveled |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 02:45 PM Response to Reply #120 |
121. I've traveled too... |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 02:46 PM Response to Reply #120 |
122. Duplicate |
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evenso (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 05:33 PM Response to Reply #2 |
31. Racism is the reason |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 09:04 PM Response to Reply #31 |
46. Welcome to DU! |
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Syntheto (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 04:14 AM Response to Reply #31 |
78. No it's not. |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 07:45 AM Response to Reply #78 |
80. Correct. It's classism. |
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Regret My New Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 01:34 PM Response to Reply #80 |
118. That's how I see it. |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 09:00 AM Response to Reply #78 |
88. maybe not the only reason, but it sure seems to be a BIG one |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 01:10 PM Response to Reply #78 |
109. Actually, it is... |
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AlbertCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 11:30 AM Response to Reply #31 |
96. Racism is the reason that America hasn't embraced universal healthcare. |
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GinaMaria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 08:54 AM Response to Reply #2 |
87. Not just money |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 01:08 PM Response to Reply #2 |
107. Connect the dots |
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Tace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
3. Totalitarian State |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
4. The masks of that "democracy" started to get pulled off in places like Dallas, Memphis, L.A., etc... |
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MrScorpio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
5. America is an empire |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 01:28 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. The problem is . . . |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
7. And annoyingly, |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 02:30 PM Response to Reply #7 |
18. You nailed it! |
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DCKit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 06:02 PM Response to Reply #18 |
33. Our "Patriotism" is actually "Nationalism" = Blind, Unquestioning Devotion to an Ideal |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 08:10 PM Response to Reply #18 |
41. This is why China declined during the Ming Dynasty (1368-1644) |
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zoff (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 01:49 AM Response to Reply #41 |
70. Agreed that China was left behind. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 08:32 AM Response to Reply #70 |
84. China has been run by intelligent (if sometimes ruthless) people since Deng Xiaoping |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 10:28 AM Response to Reply #70 |
95. Americans are stupid because the are determined to remain uninformed. |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 09:59 PM Response to Reply #7 |
50. I WISH we had the 'socialism' that the morans accuse us of having. |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 01:25 PM Response to Reply #7 |
116. universally? |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
9. Intellectual property |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
10. This was a telling piece of the article. |
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ikri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 02:22 PM Response to Reply #10 |
16. The main British industry today is pretty much finance |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 08:12 PM Response to Reply #16 |
42. Yes, funny thing, the countries worst off are the ones that based their |
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Muddy Waters Guitars (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 12:14 AM Response to Reply #16 |
63. Exactly, Thatcherism was UK Reaganism, and Britain got dragged down with us |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 06:29 PM Response to Reply #16 |
123. I don't know about the situation now. It's probably worse. But I remember reading some time ago |
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TommyPaine (300 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 01:06 AM Response to Reply #10 |
68. Unfortunately, pathological selfishness knows no bounds. |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 08:51 AM Response to Reply #10 |
85. i'm still shocked at how many people don't realize this |
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LeftinOH (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
11. Hopefully, they understand that our right-wing element -while not a majority- |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 02:37 PM Response to Reply #11 |
20. Conservative Tumor |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
12. Our Congress represents minority rule by a handful of mostly agrarian states |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 06:06 PM Response to Reply #12 |
34. Agrarian states |
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Muddy Waters Guitars (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 12:19 AM Response to Reply #12 |
64. Right! Unfortunately, the problem is the US Constitution here-- especially the Senate |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 09:11 AM Response to Reply #64 |
90. what the founders may not have foreseen |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 08:54 AM Response to Reply #12 |
86. very true |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 01:13 PM Response to Reply #12 |
111. And they are most easily bought by corporate capitalists (n/t) |
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MrScorpio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
13. This country places a premium on developing great wealth and corporations |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
14. rec rec rec rec nt |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
15. Must read |
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Soylent Brice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 02:25 PM Response to Original message |
17. not shocked. we look like fucking idiots. |
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liberalpragmatist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
19. Honestly, the biggest problem is our constitutional structure |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 02:39 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Agree!!!!!!!! |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 04:31 PM Response to Reply #19 |
29. +1 |
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Joe the Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 05:08 PM Response to Reply #19 |
30. So true, agreed 100%. n/t |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 06:11 PM Response to Reply #19 |
35. Blah |
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tocqueville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 08:27 PM Response to Reply #35 |
44. the EU parliament doesn't rule the members of the Union. |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 02:32 AM Response to Reply #44 |
71. Huh? |
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tocqueville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 08:06 PM Response to Reply #19 |
40. WOW, I have been saying that for years and... |
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liberalpragmatist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 09:53 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. Your point about internal diversity is well-taken |
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tocqueville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 11:15 PM Response to Reply #48 |
57. actually it started with Bismarck |
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Muddy Waters Guitars (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 12:34 AM Response to Reply #57 |
66. That's true! In the US today, Bismarck would be considered an "ultra-socialist" |
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billh58 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 09:37 PM Response to Reply #19 |
47. Yeah, with that |
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liberalpragmatist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 10:05 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. There's nothing wrong with criticizing our constitutional framework |
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billh58 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 10:21 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. I agree with |
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liberalpragmatist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 10:31 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Good conversation |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 01:15 PM Response to Reply #53 |
112. wrong. The Parliamentary system of government is far better. |
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billh58 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 01:53 PM Response to Reply #112 |
119. Wow, you |
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tocqueville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 10:53 PM Response to Reply #47 |
55. Well some would disagree with you. |
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billh58 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 11:16 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Mea culpa, |
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Muddy Waters Guitars (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 12:26 AM Response to Reply #19 |
65. Great post! You should publish what you just wrote, it covers all the bases |
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Amaya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 07:56 AM Response to Reply #19 |
82. YES! |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 01:15 PM Response to Reply #19 |
113. To go one step further |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
22. The United States is a bankrupt imperium that is spending itself into decay. |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
24. K&R |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
26. No the USA has not lost its mind - it is an oligarchy, and all the pieces of the |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
27. It's the Senate |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
28. Watching American's flounder on this issue has convinced me of one thing. |
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BlueMTexpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 01:29 AM Response to Reply #28 |
69. Did you read through any of the very thoughtful posts and conversations |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 01:17 PM Response to Reply #28 |
114. I'll admit that I am a citizen of Mother Earth |
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Libertas1776 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 05:56 PM Response to Original message |
32. Well, |
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Zix (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 06:16 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. So you want to be invaded by Europe? |
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Libertas1776 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 06:22 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Hey, |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 02:33 AM Response to Reply #36 |
72. Again? |
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kleec (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 08:13 AM Response to Reply #36 |
83. We |
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tocqueville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 08:48 PM Response to Reply #32 |
45. been there, done that... |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 08:01 PM Response to Original message |
38. If I could afford it, I would absolutely move to Europe tomorrow. |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 08:03 PM Response to Original message |
39. To outsiders, the US is looking more and more like a monarchy |
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Prometheus Bound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 08:15 PM Response to Original message |
43. Since I was a child I've always believed that the US is just too damn big. |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 02:38 AM Response to Reply #43 |
73. Same thing could be said of China. |
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Prometheus Bound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 02:47 AM Response to Reply #73 |
75. Absolutely. It's just too big to be manageable. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 01:24 PM Response to Reply #43 |
115. Actually the EU is larger |
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MissDeeds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 10:02 PM Response to Original message |
51. That's it in a nutshell |
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earcandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 11:04 PM Response to Original message |
56. Thanks! This will live in my newsroom at Noodle Brain dot com |
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burning rain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 11:17 PM Response to Original message |
59. "Mr. Blair, we make things." |
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Muddy Waters Guitars (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 12:06 AM Response to Original message |
60. Rethugs have indeed made the USA a laughingstock-- filled with corruption, corporatism, extremism |
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billh58 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 12:13 AM Response to Original message |
62. In my estimation, |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 12:39 AM Response to Original message |
67. America is ground-zero for the global corporate empire. We are its source |
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Libertas1776 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 02:41 AM Response to Reply #67 |
74. Bingo! |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 01:31 PM Response to Reply #74 |
117. Too late. A lot of them have already moved here: |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 12:06 PM Response to Reply #67 |
99. That's our raison d'etre. You nailed it. nt |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 04:05 AM Response to Original message |
76. There is no "as if" about it. |
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Syntheto (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 04:13 AM Response to Original message |
77. Well, if an expert such as a newfound sauna companion... |
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Christa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 07:34 AM Response to Original message |
79. K & R nt |
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evenso (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 09:05 AM Response to Original message |
89. America is not a fully modern nation... |
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jpljr77 (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 09:39 AM Response to Original message |
91. To all of those freaking out about h'care co-ops... |
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BREMPRO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 10:21 AM Response to Reply #91 |
94. good post- DUers should be informed about how other systems work- no excuse. |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 12:38 PM Response to Reply #91 |
101. not true |
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BREMPRO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
93. ?Obscene corporate profit, Republicans, Faux news, talk radio, RW evangelicals, morons that vote. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
97. It's true -- Democracy does NOT work here any more |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
102. Yeah, we have a lot of |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
103. Unbelievable.. |
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onlyadream (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
105. Oh please...what's there to understand? |
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paparush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
110. Virtually Unregulated Capitalism - When unchecked greed is the driving principle. |
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