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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 01:25 PM Original message |
If Obama Were a Corporatist |
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Rude Dog (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
1. Like any of that matters. |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 01:27 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. It seems like all they have to do is say Obama is a corporatist and people here believe it. |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
3. Well, I guess the unrecs have it. Obama is a Corporatist because they say he is. |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
4. Well, he's too willing to work with corporate interests to suit my taste... |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 04:08 PM Response to Reply #4 |
98. Okay...Reasons favoring Obama as a corporatitst. |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 04:38 PM Response to Reply #98 |
100. +100 |
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WonderGrunion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 04:43 PM Response to Reply #98 |
102. I have an issue with several of your "proofs" |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 05:13 PM Response to Reply #102 |
107. Not sure what any of these foreign relations positions has to do with corporatism. |
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WonderGrunion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 05:19 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. I can't take your criticism seriously if you don't read the whole post |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 05:21 PM Response to Reply #108 |
109. LOL!! |
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WonderGrunion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 05:47 PM Response to Reply #109 |
111. I fully recognize the danger of the military indutrial complex |
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Orwellian_Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 05:02 PM Response to Reply #98 |
106. +1 |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
5. Please tell me you're not this naive |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 01:38 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Did you *read* my post? |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 01:43 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. Yes. It seems you don't understand how corporatists operate in an ersatz democracy |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 01:46 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Wow, dude, you ought to seek medical attention for that. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 01:52 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. On the other hand, some people just want to be fooled. |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 03:27 PM Response to Reply #19 |
92. +1 |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 01:47 PM Response to Reply #5 |
17. Your Honor, my client couldn't have knocked over the bank... |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 01:49 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. I see, you can't refute my post, so you resort to insults. Thanks. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 01:59 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. Looks like he refuted it pretty damn well. |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:01 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. Why don't you just admit you hate Obama and will campaign against him in 2012? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:15 PM Response to Reply #27 |
48. why don't you just admit you'd defend this admin if it were sacrificing puppies on the white house |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:30 PM Response to Reply #48 |
61. Oh, come on! Obama would never sacrifice puppies |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:08 PM Response to Reply #17 |
32. rockefeller couldn't have been a robber baron & exploiter of the working class; |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:11 PM Response to Reply #32 |
40. Ahh...the very beginning of Public Relations... |
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Orwellian_Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
7. Doh |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 01:42 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. That statement doesn't make him a corporatist. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 01:42 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Um... yeah, it does. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 01:44 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. So... anyone who doesn't want to put insurance companies out of business |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 01:56 PM Response to Reply #12 |
21. No, but someone who chooses corporate health over human health is. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 01:59 PM Response to Reply #21 |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:01 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. This is not Obama Underground. |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:08 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. No, It's Democratic Underground and has rules, one of which is |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:12 PM Response to Reply #33 |
42. Then alert the mods on that. What you said basically was, Obama love him or leave DU. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:05 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. Doesn't seem that way to me. |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:14 PM Response to Reply #29 |
46. Could be |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:17 PM Response to Reply #29 |
50. Who is he striking a balance with? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:20 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. Most Americans want a public option, yes... but a strong one, available to all? |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:29 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. Really? You have to have seen at least one of these polls. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:34 PM Response to Reply #59 |
65. You don't think those numbers have softened at all? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:36 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. support for the strong public option of single payer has been pretty consistent since the 70s. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:37 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. Citation please? |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:42 PM Response to Reply #65 |
72. With the weak-sauce leadership from the White House? I wouldn't be surprised |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:42 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Yes... *only* the WH is to blame. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:44 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. The White House is not to blame for weak leadership from the White House? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:45 PM Response to Reply #75 |
78. Weak leadership from the WH is the ONLY reason for softer numbers? |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:48 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. I never said it was the only reason. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:51 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. You implied it... in the most pitiful and transparent way. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:54 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. Nope, you inferred it. I just said that it was one of the causes. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:56 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. No, you didn't say that. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 03:08 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. I really don't get your point here. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 03:11 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. My point is - I disagree with you that he's more concerned with corporate health over human health. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 03:32 PM Response to Reply #88 |
93. No, really. The posts are, like, right up there ^^^ |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 03:34 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. LOL... over 70%... there you go again. |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 03:48 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. 77% according to this poll done a few weeks ago. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 03:51 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. Yep! Thanks for including the detail... |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 04:42 PM Response to Reply #96 |
101. Yes, 70+% want the CHOICE of a public OPTION |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 04:45 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. ... |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 06:23 PM Response to Reply #96 |
113. The people who don't want it are Colbert's backwash. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 07:52 PM Response to Reply #113 |
114. Actually, Colbert's backwash is in favor of Single Payer |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:09 PM Response to Reply #21 |
35. Yes, he's a sociopathic monster. Feel better now? nt |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:21 PM Response to Reply #35 |
54. I always feel better when I force you to break out the straw man arguments |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:23 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. You said Obama values corporate profits over human well-being. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:32 PM Response to Reply #55 |
63. No, I provided *evidence* that he values corporate profits over human well-being. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:37 PM Response to Reply #63 |
68. just business. gotta break some eggs. |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:38 PM Response to Reply #63 |
71. You presented no evidence whatsoever. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:45 PM Response to Reply #71 |
77. Really, you must quit calling Obama a sociopathic monster |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:53 PM Response to Reply #77 |
82. I don't think he values corporate profits over human life. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:56 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. No, you don't *believe* he values corporate profits over human life |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 03:01 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. You *believe* he does value corporate profits over human life. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 03:15 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. If that's what lets you sleep at night, go ahead and believe it |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 03:54 PM Response to Reply #21 |
97. They can go hand in hand |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 04:36 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. Yes, in fact, my job IS better |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:00 PM Response to Reply #12 |
25. In the case of these companies with their death panels, I'd have to say yes. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:04 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. So... because they have death panels, they should all be put out of business? |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:08 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. ROFL! |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:11 PM Response to Reply #30 |
39. Seriously. |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:15 PM Response to Reply #39 |
49. +1 |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:09 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. "So... because they have death panels, they should all be put out of business?" |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:12 PM Response to Reply #34 |
41. Yeah, I got your meaning from your little outburst there. |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:11 PM Response to Reply #25 |
37. By your logic, Obama is a murderer then? |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:13 PM Response to Reply #37 |
44. No, but he is an enabler to an inhumane form of medical "care" |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:14 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. So, he's not a corporatist then either? |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:18 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. Being a corporatist is not mutually exclusive with enabling an inhumane system. In fact, it... |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:28 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. I'm asking you how your logic says he's a corporatist but not a murderer (or now sadist?!?). |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 01:45 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. You have no idea what the word "corporatist" means then. Furthermore, MOST countries with Universal |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 07:56 PM Response to Reply #7 |
115. Raise your hand if your neighbor peddles health insurance! |
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Truth2Tell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
10. Sure he would. |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 01:46 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Minimum Wage Increase = Window Dressing? Lilly Ledbetter = Window Dressing? You are NUTS. |
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Truth2Tell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 05:58 PM Response to Reply #15 |
112. THAT wage increase WAS window dressing. |
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firedupdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
13. Rec'd and Thank You n/t |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
20. If Obama Were a Corporatist |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 01:59 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Just because you say he is, doesn't make him one. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:11 PM Response to Reply #22 |
38. No, but when I offer actual evidence, that's another matter |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:13 PM Response to Reply #38 |
45. Evidence? It'd be easier to convince a Teabagger who lost their Job in January that it's not Obama's |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:18 PM Response to Reply #45 |
52. It sounds like your "truth" is whatever you want it to be. |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:27 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. As I said in this post (link for you) |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:34 PM Response to Reply #56 |
64. Wow, you provided a link to your own post two spots up |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:38 PM Response to Reply #64 |
70. Because, as Barney Frank so eloquently put it |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:43 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. Yes, yes, more insults. |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:45 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. I believe your first response was an insult. But that's ok. I know that there is a double standard |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
31. And the Obama-hating jackals descend with their unrec's. |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
36. what have you done for me lately? nt unreccd |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
43. The word "corporatist" reminds me of "Islamist" |
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kjackson227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
58. Since the US is some-what a capitalistic country, he does have.. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
60. I'll bash yer noggin in defense of the President but I'd say he is a corporatist |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:36 PM Response to Reply #60 |
67. This is the problem with people saying this. A Corporatist would push for MORE Corporate Control |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:52 PM Response to Reply #67 |
81. Your logic does not resemble our Earth logic |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 03:18 PM Response to Reply #67 |
91. If corporatist= fascist, I would agree. But I don't know that they are identical terms. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
62. K&R |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
90. I can only think of a couple politicians who aren't corporatists. Obama isn't one of them. |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
104. He is a corporatist for the simple reason that he will not endorse a single-payer system. |
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Emit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
105. Who names these acts? |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
110. I'm just saying he is perfectly willing to work with a corporate structure |
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Orwellian_Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
116. But behind Obama's campaign rhetoric |
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