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ccharles000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 04:45 AM Original message |
"If she commits suicide, it will be on all our heads." |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 04:52 AM Response to Original message |
1. This poor girl |
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Dulcinea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 01:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
63. I feel sorry for her. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-16-09 06:22 PM Response to Reply #1 |
113. I'm afraid you are placing too much confidence in "seeking counseling" |
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ejpoeta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 06:52 AM Response to Original message |
2. wtf is wrong with people!! someone just wanted to try to delegitimize someone |
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carpe diem (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 07:29 AM Response to Original message |
3. she has been poorly served by the different sporting organizations |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 07:39 AM Response to Original message |
4. It is a legitimate question |
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comtec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 07:44 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. In whichever category shi feels most comfortable associating with |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 07:52 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. gender crap |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 08:02 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Men and women perform differently period |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 09:38 AM Response to Reply #8 |
13. it's sexist because, of all the ways to divide people, we chose gender. |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 09:45 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. When was the last time you saw a short basketball player? |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 09:58 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Yes |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 10:08 AM Response to Reply #17 |
22. it just "is" that short people don't do well at basketball against 7-footers? |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 10:16 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. I see your point, but that would be an unfair sample |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 10:16 AM Response to Reply #22 |
26. No gender is completely relevant. |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 10:23 AM Response to Reply #26 |
30. how are physical differences based on gender "unfair" yet differences based on height not? |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 10:43 AM Response to Reply #30 |
37. It's about peak performance, not "fairness." |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 10:58 AM Response to Reply #37 |
43. again, peak performance, but not when it comes to women? |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #43 |
54. Women athletes ARE peak performers. |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 01:40 PM Response to Reply #54 |
66. i'm not arguing the economics, i agree that women's sports are commercially viable |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 05:03 PM Response to Reply #66 |
79. No, I DON'T see the sexism in it. |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 01:41 PM Response to Reply #43 |
67. Under your own criteria the 5'0" men would be competing against 5'0" women |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 03:11 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. thanks for the biological detail |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-16-09 12:33 PM Response to Reply #72 |
93. OK. Let's run with this. |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-16-09 04:03 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. sorry if i'm not being clear |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-16-09 04:44 PM Response to Reply #94 |
100. Division based on height is not "just" at all. |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 07:17 AM Response to Reply #93 |
114. Holy crap |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 11:49 AM Response to Reply #22 |
50. My money is on the 5'0" men - in a blowout. |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 10:05 AM Response to Reply #15 |
21. but that's the point. |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 10:13 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Nobody wants to watch competitors who are not suited for peak sports performance. |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 10:21 AM Response to Reply #23 |
28. and yet that's not true of boxing |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 11:06 AM Response to Reply #28 |
44. It's not true for bodybuilding either. |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 12:00 PM Response to Reply #44 |
53. the genders get different treatment because women lack the height of men, but SHORT people don't |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 06:43 PM Response to Reply #53 |
81. You have EVERYTHING bass-ackwards. |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 09:10 PM Response to Reply #81 |
88. you're obviously not listening to me. please re-read my posts. |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 09:54 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Your focus on height and weight is unimportant in most sports. |
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Guy Whitey Corngood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 10:49 AM Response to Reply #15 |
39. Mugsy Bogues. nt |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 12:07 PM Response to Reply #39 |
55. Lol, well there're always the exceptions. This too is what makes sports fun to watch. |
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Guy Whitey Corngood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 12:24 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. I know my mom was 5'-4" and she seemed short to me as I got taller over the yers. This guy is |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 09:57 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Because men and women at that level of the sport |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 10:01 AM Original message |
Yes, you are correct. Women would be vastly under-represented. |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 10:01 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. oops... dupalicious. |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 10:14 AM Response to Reply #16 |
24. i think you're stuck on the negative connotations of the word "sexist" |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 10:21 AM Response to Reply #24 |
29. Beacause it is a descent into the absurd |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 10:28 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. ah, but that brings us back to the point, that the distinction is sexist |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 10:31 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Sigh |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 10:51 AM Response to Reply #33 |
41. that's not so clear |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 01:36 PM Response to Reply #41 |
65. You are now using a bad Wesley Snipes and Woody Harrelson |
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a la izquierda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-16-09 04:24 PM Response to Reply #13 |
97. My grandma would agree |
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GaYellowDawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-16-09 05:47 PM Response to Reply #13 |
102. It's because... |
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backwoodsbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-16-09 06:18 PM Response to Reply #13 |
110. so you believe at the world level |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-16-09 06:13 PM Response to Reply #5 |
106. That idea works great for deciding what restroom to use |
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colinmom71 (616 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 08:06 AM Response to Reply #4 |
10. It is, and it may also be good for her overall health the question was asked... |
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Feron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 11:12 AM Response to Reply #4 |
47. This site may help.: |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 01:10 PM Response to Reply #47 |
61. Interesting site. |
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cherish44 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 07:55 AM Response to Original message |
7. This story is so outrageous |
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peacebird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 08:05 AM Response to Original message |
9. Watched an amazing movie yesterday about a female mtn bike racer |
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comtec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 08:22 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Jealousy pure and simple |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 08:41 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. It has nothing to do with jealousy. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 10:46 AM Response to Reply #9 |
38. I'm sure no one thinks she had surgery to win bike races. |
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SidneyCarton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 09:43 AM Response to Original message |
14. I pity Caster Semenya. |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 10:00 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. I do as well |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 10:03 AM Response to Original message |
20. This in-between case raises the question: Should there exist men's and women's sports? |
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NoSheep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 10:17 AM Response to Reply #20 |
27. I think there should be qualifying standards. That is all. Like boxing and Marshall arts levels. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 10:40 AM Response to Reply #27 |
34. Including for college scholarships? Might want to think about the predictable consequences. |
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NoSheep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 01:07 PM Response to Reply #34 |
59. I didn't consider that...I'm not sure I see the "obvious". |
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Rebubula (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 10:41 AM Response to Reply #27 |
35. Ahhhh....The Marshall Arts |
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NoSheep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 01:09 PM Response to Reply #35 |
60. Nice catch! Correction: "Martial" Arts. Thanks Rebubula! |
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nc4bo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 11:12 AM Response to Reply #27 |
46. How about using something similar as what drag races use....not sex based. |
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deaniac21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 11:45 AM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Driving isn't athletic. |
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nc4bo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 01:25 PM Response to Reply #49 |
64. I didn't say it was. |
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MindPilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 03:35 PM Response to Reply #49 |
75. Driving may not be but racing sure as hell is. |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 11:57 AM Response to Reply #20 |
51. The actual question is "should there exist women's sports", and I think the answer is yes. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 01:51 PM Response to Reply #51 |
69. Makes perfect sense as far as it goes... |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 12:24 PM Response to Reply #20 |
58. No women would play contact sports - especially combat sports |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 01:49 PM Response to Reply #58 |
68. Yes, I'm aware of that... |
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Leftist Agitator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 10:26 AM Response to Original message |
31. Suicide watch is immoral and wrong. |
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ccharles000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 05:29 PM Response to Reply #31 |
80. why? |
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Leftist Agitator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 08:41 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. Because if she wants to die for whatever reason, it is her inalienable right. |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 09:02 PM Response to Reply #31 |
87. People who want to kill themselves aren't being rational. nt |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-16-09 06:16 PM Response to Reply #87 |
108. Does that apply to the terminally ill who suffer in pain? |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
36. Things won't be right until women play major league baseball and NFL football. |
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LeftHander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
40. terrible...I hope she finds the courage to be herself. |
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kskiska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
42. Anyone remember Renée Richards? |
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Soylent Brice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
45. K&R |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
48. What she "deserved", was a trip to the doctor when she was about 13 or 14 |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
52. The educated people who should have been looking out for her, her coach and physician |
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nolabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
56. Poor child. I hope she has good people around her. |
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AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
62. i firmly agree...why do we need to fit into some mold when it's obvious that no such mold exists |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
70. This could not have been handled any worse. |
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Crabby Appleton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 08:55 PM Response to Reply #70 |
84. I agree completely. nt |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
71. why is everyone here calling Caster Semenya a girl? |
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deaniac21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 03:12 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Can you guess the number of females that would make the |
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foxfeet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 03:32 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Linda Tripp. |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 04:06 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. ROFLMAO!!! |
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Crabby Appleton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 08:56 PM Response to Reply #74 |
85. OK, name another one. |
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foxfeet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 11:37 PM Response to Reply #85 |
91. I got nothin'. |
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deaniac21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-16-09 04:25 PM Response to Reply #74 |
98. What's her 40 time? |
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foxfeet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-16-09 05:29 PM Response to Reply #98 |
101. Faster than you'd think, if Bill Clinton is involved. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 04:05 PM Response to Reply #71 |
77. Because she identifies as a woman. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-16-09 04:29 PM Response to Reply #77 |
99. +1 nt |
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RedCappedBandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-16-09 06:10 PM Response to Reply #77 |
104. Beat me to it. nt |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-16-09 06:20 PM Response to Reply #77 |
112. So if Hussein Bolt decides to identify as a woman |
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RedCappedBandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-16-09 06:09 PM Response to Reply #71 |
103. Because *she* identifies as a female. |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-16-09 06:18 PM Response to Reply #71 |
109. Because she has been identified by herself and others as female |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-16-09 06:18 PM Response to Reply #71 |
111. Really? All sports should not be segregated by gender? |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
76. K&R |
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glinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 08:48 PM Response to Original message |
83. I feel for her |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 09:00 PM Response to Original message |
86. ((((((((((((((((((VIBES a candle light WISHES prayers PEACE on this PERSON artist )))))))))))))))))) |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-15-09 09:58 PM Response to Original message |
90. Makes me wonder. |
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AspenRose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-16-09 12:39 AM Response to Original message |
92. This is tragic. |
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Lilyeye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-16-09 04:13 PM Response to Original message |
95. This is awful |
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NotThisTime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-16-09 04:19 PM Response to Original message |
96. I said the day this was made known it never should have been reported and people should not have |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-16-09 06:11 PM Response to Original message |
105. Whose bright idea was it to announce to the world |
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tomm2thumbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-16-09 06:16 PM Response to Original message |
107. I don't think anyone figured there would be a middle-ground answer like this |
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