Haha! John Gibson just got pwned by a caller on the substance of the Wilson-Liar scream.

[Ilsa]

I was in the car, listening to Sirius radio BBC because hubby was with me and neither of us care for Lynn Samuels. After he got out, I was scrolling up to finish her show, but stopped for a moment on John Gibson's radio show on Fox.

There was a caller who sounded very patient and very intelligent and asked him how long it's been since he went to see his doctor. He said it's been awhile and he's due for a checkup. Then she asked him, "What is the first thing the receptionist asks for?" And he replied "Probably proof of insurance." And she added, "And identification."

He tried to argue with her on that. She said, "I'm a pharmacy rep, and I see about 250 doctors a week." She went on to say that she spends alot of time in the waiting room, and they all ask for ID, therefore, no one is going to get medical care unless they have ID.

Gibson tried to switch gears on her about whether Wilson is a racist based on his scream. She told him she didn't think that was racist, but she knows better than to believe it doesn't exist any more.

[Ozymanithrax]

1. This lady is sharp...

You can not get health-care without proof of insurance, identification, and without answering 20 questions to verify information.

A few week back, I found it necessary to go to the same office and see the same receptionist before an appointment. Each day she ask for proof of insurance, ID, and insisted I confirm my information.

[lapfog_1]

5. You can get health care without ID

by going to the ER. They will ask for ID and insurance, but if you simply say you don't have any... you will still be seen. That's how most uninsured and/or undocumented people get health care today.

[Ozymanithrax]

6. And you would advocate people without ID be allowed to die?

I lived in Las Vegas in the 80's. At the time, (Sunrise Valley Hospital) there were some high profile cases where people arrived at emergency rooms and, because they had no health-insurance and no way to pay, they were refused admittance and sent elsewhere. In two cases, people died after visiting three hospitals that refused to admit them.

Cases like this were happening all over the US so laws were passed that an Emergency room could not refuse to admit someone. They had to be given life saving treatment rather than be allowed to die on the street. People can not be refused at emergency rooms because it was necessary to make it illegal to let them die elsewhere.

The problem, here, is that there are issues here that are not black and white. A persons ability to pay, national organ, or perceived national origin (just because someone looks Hispanic and speaks Spanish doesn't make him or her illegal) should not be a reason to refuse service and let them die.

How do you pay for this? Irrelevant! Saving a life is the first priority. It is immoral and unethical to refuse treatment. An illegal alien that shows up at an emergency room must be given care. Once well, he can be charged as a criminal, tried, convicted, and deported.

[lapfog_1]

17. Where did you get THAT from my comment?

I did not state (one way or the other) on whether or not *I* wanted people to get health care at the ER.

My preference would be to include EVERYONE in a single payer plan, illegal or not... for many many reasons.

First is the moral reason. If someone is dying of thirst, and I have water, how can anyone but the most callous refuse them a drink?

Second, if they are here illegally and not getting any health care, they pose a health risk to the rest of us. They will let infectious disease go untreated, continue to work or interact with the rest of society, and infect others.

Third, it makes economic sense. If we treat people pro-actively and in a non-ER setting, the cost is an order of magnitude LESS than waiting until they are really sick and present in an ER. The ER should NOT be a walk in clinic to treat anything other than true emergencies.

I wish the illegals had economic opportunity in their home countries sufficient to make them happy to stay there. I'm pretty sure (having interacted with more than a few immigrants, both illegal and legal) that THEY would prefer that as well. The answer to the illegal immigration issue is NOT to make doctors and hospitals into adjunct police looking to snitch on their customers. But that is what the nutters want. Their hate is so strong that they literally WOULD deny a person dying of thirst a drink a water. This is NOT hyperbole... read the link:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marlene-h-phillips/arizona-man-arrested-for_b_211479.html

[Winterblues]

13. Yes but that is not being written into a Health Care Reform Bill.

This is about what is being proposed, not what is currently going on...Wilson said Obama was Lying about what was being proposed and in FACT he was not.

[lapfog_1]

18. There is nothing in the bill to require ERs to deny health care

to undocumented people (illegal or simply without insurance).

There is current federal law requiring treatment, I haven't heard that any proposal repeals this law.

But I haven't read the entire set of bills... so point me to the bill and section that repeals this.

[Winterblues]

20. Point me to the provision in the current bill/s being written that explicitly

says undocumented persons will be eligible for Health Insurance..We know that anyone currently showing up at an emergency room will get help. Show me where in the new bill where it says undocumented persons are eligible. I would be quite interested in that so we can blame Obama for requiring illegal aliens get Health Insurance.

[lapfog_1]

26. Wow, I never said that any current bill has provisions to INSURE anyone

in fact, in HR3200, there is a section that denies coverage to undocumented people.

But I was talking about health care, not health insurance. There is nothing in any bill that I am aware of that will deny illegal aliens or other undocumented people health care (at the ER). THIS IS WHAT THE FUCKTARDS WANT TO PUT IN THE BILL (the Joe Wilsons). They want our doctors and hospitals to become adjunct INS agents. So even if you pay cash for treatment, you have to show your "national health care ID" or something like that.

BTW, I WANT everyone here to have health care, and am willing to be taxed to pay for it.

1. It's the moral thing to do.

2. It would keep EVERYONE healthier to do so (get treatment for contagious disease).

3. It's CHEAPER than what we do now, and what will happen if the current bills pass.

[virgogal]

2. Aw,come on admit it.You listen to Fox all the time.

:-)

[Ilsa]

3. Sometimes I have to scroll off of Sirius Left when the kids are in the car. The aren't

old enough to hear the language on the Lynn Samuels Show yet. And my oldest is very autistic, and I don't need him in class yelling m@#$^&f@!ker at the teacher! :evilgrin: ;)

[create.peace]

4. and so you go to fox???nt

[Ilsa]

24. If I scroll, it rolls through FOX and Patriot before it gets from BBC to Sirius Left. nt

[create.peace]

25. too bad you can't remove it like on a remote on tv/cable....nt

[Bunny]

7. I don't know. I've been to a lot of doctors over the years and I don't think

I've ever once had to show proof of ID. I've certainly had to present my insurance card, but I don't remember ever having to show my driver's license or anything. :shrug:

[donco6]

10. I ALWAYS have to show mine.

It's right on the appointment email.

[Beaverhausen]

12. So do I

[emmadoggy]

21. My clinic doesn't require it either.

You have to present your insurance card and then they verbally confirm your address etc. Done. I love my clinic. Wonderful care, very well run.

But I don't doubt that a lot of places do require ID. Just not all of them do.

[ejpoeta]

8. i've never had anyone ask for my ID other than my insurance card.

but if you apply for medicaid, then you have to fill out a form that requires you to prove your status if you are not a citizen. and i would assume the same would be true for any insurance program.

[emulatorloo]

9. Exactly -- I seriously doubt you could sign up for the Public Option without proving citizen status

n/t

[Lex]

11. I went to the doctor yesterday and they asked to see a photo ID

and my insurance card. And they made of a copy of each for my file.

[Tracer]

19. My doctor has all that information on file.

They've taken photocopies of my insurance cards --- but still ---

They ask me to confirm that the insurance is still the same (I need to sign a paper), and also ask me for my birth date, and also stick one of those hospital wrist bands on me.

[notesdev]

14. Yet somehow

we got millions of people with no legal ID who are getting a broad range of medical services.

How do they do it?

[tammywammy]

15. I don't think I've ever been asked for my ID at the doctor's office

I was just there last week, they asked for my insurance card, but not my ID.

[Tanuki]

16. I just went for a routine check-up this week and they asked for my ID

I would imagine that with so many people uninsured nowadays, the doctors (or the insurance companies) want to make sure that someone isn't borrowing someone else's insurance card to cover a visit.

[Beaverhausen]

22. Was this your first time there? If not, then do you recall if you gave it to them your first visit?

Once they make a copy I don't thinkt hey ask again, but they usually do ask on the first visit.

[tammywammy]

23. No, not my first time

I've been going there forever, but there's always new people working at the front desk. I hadn't been there in 6 months or so.