ok, let's be honest: all this rhetoric is intended to be tacit permission to assasinate Obama

[Lerkfish]

all the right wingers -- Glenn Beck, Limbaugh, GOP congresspeople, Palin, media pundits, etc.

what are they doing?

they are making false, provably false but INFLAMMATORY accusations that stir up the dangerously insane radical right wing shock troops -- and I say INTENTIONALLY.

Let's review some of the dog whistles that incite the unbalanced to think assasinating Obama would be the patriotic thing to do.

1. He's a dictator
2. He's going to kill your grandma
3. He's not a citizen and is president illegally
4. He's a commie or socialist
5. He's making it easier for people of color to gain power
6. he's a terrorist
7. He's a threat to your schoolchildren (codeword "controversial)


the list could go on, but let's face facts, for the first time in my recollection (and I"m 50 years old), we have had people OPENLY carrying weapons to presidential town hall. We've had people like Glenn Beck begging others to "eliminate" the president. We've had the open resurgence of white supremacist, seditionist groups given access to the media in a favorable light. We've had congresspeople openly mocking him during a speech and then pretending to make an apology and then rescinding that apology.

Le'ts face it folks, the secret service, the FBI and other agencies need to put an end to this and call it exactly what it is: domestic terrorism and conspiracy to murder the president.


I naively thought this would abate after the election and Palin lost, but if anything, these calls for his head are getting louder, more insistent and more prevalent.

[C_U_L8R]

1. Its such complete insane nonsense !

how the fuck is Obama a dictator??? kill grandma ??? a terrorist??

I've had it. These people as totally beyond the pale. This is freakin meth-head logic.
And the media and politicos who egg them on need to be publicly pilloried.
This is just absurdly stupid. ENOUGH !!!!

[populistdriven]

20. what an ex-friend sent me and my reply

From the Russian paper Pravda: American Capitalism Gone With a Whimper

This article is the English translation of a blog posted back in April by Stanislav Mishin. The blog was published in the Pravda news later that month. It was forwarded to me by a Lithuanian relative. When I first read this, I wondered how it was possible for a Russian citizen to criticize their government when the government runs/owns the newspapers and other media outlets. It turns out that the online Pravda news site isn’t controlled by the Soviet Union Communist anymore. Duh!! Obviously, I need to pay more attention to what’s happening in the world these days…

While you may or may not agree with the writer, I found the Russian’s opinion rather interesting, and a bit ironic.

As a father of two daughters, and having been raised and adopted as a member of the community of Lithuanians living in the United States, I’ve heard several stories about how the Baltic countries were ruled by the USSR. This Russian’s point of view scares the living hell out of me.

My grandfather lived through the takeover of Lithuania by the Communist Soviet Union. He was a first generation immigrant from Lithuania. He brought his family, via foot, from Lithuania to Germany during WWII. After the war, his family lived in a refugee camp waiting for their chance at a better life and to come to America. My step-father was born in that camp. Eventually they were able to hitch their way onto a boat heading to the States. After he arrived, he found hundreds of sponsors so other families could come to the States and escape from under the rule of the Soviet Union like he did. Because of his actions, he was loved by the Lithuanian community. From his perspective, the Marxist changes that occurred in his native country happened secretly, 'behind the peoples backs'. He felt that the people found out too late to take any action. The average Lithuanian was just following their regular life and suddenly they were no longer in the country they thought they were.

I’m not suggesting that we have reached the point of being taken over by another country, but I do believe we are heading into an era of governmental crisis. It’s not lost on me that a large percentage of our population are dealing with difficulty circumstances. I’m sure there are many who agree with our governments solutions. Only history will really tell if the federal government is capable of fixing or addressing our domestic problems or if our “elected” officials only made them worse. I just don’t believe this is something the federal government will ever have the ability or more importantly, the DESIRE to resolve.

I’m interested in your opinions.
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/107459-american_capitalism-0

my reply:

[Raschel]

35. Thats' how the nuts of today will be seen in the history books

They can throw their histrionics all day long, but they've lost.

It will never be the same again. We will have more minority Presidents.
This country will become even more diverse.

Deal with it birthers/freepers/racists.

[progressivebydesign]

39. M gawd.. look at those morans. They think they're the best of the best, but they're trash.

Every single one of them. Notice the "antichrist" sign in the background? Just like now.. The complicit media is firing up the racists again.

[Lucy Goosey]

40. "Race mixing is communism"? I don't even understand...

I know you don't support that statement, and that this is tangential, but why did these prople think that race mixing was the same thing as communism? What am I missing here?

[populistdriven]

45. Marx sought to establish a free society, without class or racial divisions

the idiotic logic of these American racists is comparable to saying that all nuts are peanuts since peanuts are nuts

[musette_sf]

51. these are times i wish my Dad was still around

came over from Lithuania after WWII as a DP.

proud Dem.

pro-worker.

took me to see Kennedys (John and Robert), and Hubert Humphrey too.

he died just before the 1976 election and was a big Carter supporter.

i think he would have a thing or two to tell your ex-friend.

and though Soviet times in Lithuania were, granted, not so great (we used to send them packages of hard goods they could sell), it hasn't been a big rosy picnic after the end of the USSR. in the big city, maybe, but out in the country not so much.

[populistdriven]

52. thanks for sharing those wonderful memories about your dad! and oh how i miss my own.

[musette_sf]

54. thanks

:hi:

and for all of your ex-friend's railing against the Soviets in Lithuania:

it wasn't the Soviets who put my Dad in a prison camp.

it was the Nazis.

i notice he and the idiot article tend to ignore that Nazi part.

[Rex]

53. Yup, race mixing is communism - I won't get into all that is wrong

with that statement. It is recorded in history for all to see. Hear that RWing lurkers? Your shame will be known for ages. Hope your kids are more liberal than thou...

[maryellen99]

2. and if it does happen

the media and esp fox news will openly cheer too.

[get the red out]

3. Yes

Fox News is the Media on Meth.

[OneGrassRoot]

8. Media on Meth.....

that's a great description, GTRO! :)

Sad, but true.

:hug:

[JohnnyLib2]

4. This horrifies me, but the thought won't go away.

Assassins in many cases have found justification in their own idiosyncratic logic.
There's no telling how many are receiving "messages" from the RW loudmouths on the topic.

Horrifying.

Rec.

[Lerkfish]

5. at the very least, its intentional blatant irresponsibile incitement.

at the worst, its intentionally calling for his death.

either way, it should be immediately stopped, for the good of the country.

[Mist]

6. You called it Lerkfish. Blatant calls for the assassination of the Prez--gets

all the crazies out in the open raising hell. Then there's a dandy excuse for a security lock-down of the country. Two birds with one stone. And the Mighty Wurlitzer (M$M) is fully complicit in this.

[OneGrassRoot]

7. Agreed on all points. Don't forget "baby killer." Oy. n/t

[Lucy Goosey]

44. Oh, good point - they used that one on Dr. Tiller, too.

And we know how his story ended.

[BOSSHOG]

9. And after the president or someone else gets hurt

the members of the party of responsibility will throw up their hands and say they had nothing to do with it. We are just innocent little fuzz balls falsely accused by evil liberals, liberals who glen beck told his audience to kill.

[Freddie Stubbs]

10. DUers said many of the same things about Bush. Were they trying to get Bush assinated?

:shrug:

[Lerkfish]

12. um, dude, I am not talking about DUers.

and I doubt DUers openly called for the assasination of Bush, where are you getting this information, anyways?

[Moochy]

25. Mr. Stubbs Information Source Revealed

[Lerkfish]

30. LOL! thanks for giving me a laugh!

:)

[Freddie Stubbs]

57. A simple google search reveals thousands of DU references to Bush as a terrorist or a dictator:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/searchresults.html?q=%22bush+is+a+terrorist%22&sitesearch=democraticunderground.com&sa=Search&domains=democraticunderground.com&client=pub-7805397860504090&forid=1&ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&cof=GALT%3A%23008000%3BGL%3A1%3BDIV%3A%23336699%3BVLC%3A663399%3BAH%3Acenter%3BBGC%3AFFFFFF%3BLBGC%3A336699%3BALC%3A0000FF%3BLC%3A0000FF%3BT%3A000000%3BGFNT%3A0000FF%3BGIMP%3A0000FF%3BFORID%3A11&hl=en

http://www.democraticunderground.com/searchresults.html?q=%22bush+is+a+dictator%22&sitesearch=democraticunderground.com&sa=Search&domains=democraticunderground.com&client=pub-7805397860504090&forid=1&ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&cof=GALT%3A%23008000%3BGL%3A1%3BDIV%3A%23336699%3BVLC%3A663399%3BAH%3Acenter%3BBGC%3AFFFFFF%3BLBGC%3A336699%3BALC%3A0000FF%3BLC%3A0000FF%3BT%3A000000%3BGFNT%3A0000FF%3BGIMP%3A0000FF%3BFORID%3A11&hl=en

Were those posts intended to encourage Bush's assassination?

[Lerkfish]

58. are you that obtuse? the point of the OP is the media, pundits and politicians

calling for his assasination.

for you to ignore that point after its been clearly pointed out to you is absurd.

[HughBeaumont]

13. Oh gee, what a surprise.

Bush WAS a dictator (pretty much got every bad rich-enhancing policy he wanted except for SS privatization)

WASN'T duly elected (A stacked-with-conservatives Supreme Court deciding a state election? COME on)

and WAS a terrorist (He bombed the shit out of two countries that had nothing at all to do with attacks on America . . . EVER. Argue semantics or appeal to "the US ALWAYS being the good guys" all you want . . . A terrorist is a terrorist, no matter if he wears a robe or a bad suit. He's a war criminal terrorist, END OF SENTENCE).

And no one ever called for his assassination - we're not lunatics. We just wanted him and Cheney put in jail. You know, for little things like legalized torture, warrantless wiretapping and starting wars based on cooked "evidence".

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

16. Sorry, Freddie, you are incorrect

because doing that is against the rules of this board. Yes, I saw some state that wish, but their posts were deleted and mods reminded us that we can't do that.

[bettyellen]

18. of that list, i only saw dictator here, and to be fair Bush did say he wished he could be one!

false equivolency. no one called for his death, as many are for BO.

[NikolaC]

24. I have never seen anyone

here wish for his assassination. No one here, IMO, has acted the way that the birther/ teabagger nuts do and, if any have, they were tombstoned. I have seen many posts when Bu$h was pResident calling for investigations, impeachment, stating the fact that he was installed as pResident, and asking for an investigation, trial and incarceration for the many crimes that his administration committed or were responsible for. You're way off base on this one.

[Nye Bevan]

42. Actually they have (but were promptly banned)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2487403&mesg_id=2487403

But even if one of these nuts had followed through with his or her threat it would be stupid to blame this on DUers "tacitly giving them permission" by calling chimp an illegal president, dictator, etc.

[moriah]

26. Slightly different demographic makeup of "crazies"....

.... most of the rhetoric here was against violence and war. When the NYPD unconstitutionally questioned protesters regarding their affiliations under the guise of preventing "domestic terrorism" it was laughable, and still is. I was heavily involved in the protest movement and I never met a soul who even thought of bringing a gun to a protest.

I don't think we accused Dubya of killing grandma (no, more like killing her grandkids).

I also don't recall spreading a meme that Dubya was the Antichrist.

[Hansel]

34. Is that you Joe Scarsborough? nt

[progressivebydesign]

37. there's a big diff between people on a forum and the damn MEDIA. n/t

[maryellen99]

11. and one other thing

I'm sick and tired of being told I have to be tolerant of these RW freaks.

[safeinOhio]

14. Truth be told

they can't stand having a half Irish man that is way smarter than them being their leader.

[HughBeaumont]

15. All I know is . . .

. . . in NORMAL environments, assault rifles and t-shirts used for political intimidation wouldn't be allowed anywhere NEAR a Presidential visit. Can you imagine if someone pulled that in the Bewsh years?

[Lerkfish]

17. hell, someone got arrested for WEARING A TSHIRT

so, yeah, there is no way someone armed would have been allowed near bush -- but at the same time, I'm arguing that NO ONE with a gun should be allowed near ANY PRESIDENT, even lil boots.

its just wrong.

[robcon]

19. Extremely stupid OP.

n/t

[JohnnyLib2]

21. Disagree. The anti-Obama theme has elements of Anti-Christ

thinking, irrational racial fears, irrational fears of Muslim takeover as a foundation. The current "government takeover" ranting
could easily add to frightened and paranoid thinking.

[Voltaire]

27. We will talk after the President is hurt

then we will see how extremely stupid the OP is. Right-Wing motherfuckers will not rest until Obama is dead. Bank it. As a black man I am telling you...bank it. If and when they kill him, minorites will be as angry as anyone else, but they will NOT be surprised.

[progressivebydesign]

38. sadly. This also explains the recent article about how South Carolina is the hotbed of opposition..

there was an article today about how South Carolina is emerging as the epicenter of vociferous opposition to President Obama. Well duh, it's the hotbed of racism. Those people are losing their minds because they can't handle having a black president.

[Mnemosyne]

56. I don't consider these 'events', 'mindsets' coincidence:

http://christianexodus.org/

Planned Resettlement
In order to accelerate the return to self-government based upon Biblical principles, Christian Exodus recommends planned resettlement to areas more amiable towards the practices of independent Christian living. With fellow believers of like mind nearby, support structures can be provided to encourage cooperation and community living.

* South Carolina ( 1 Article )
The primary recommended area of resettlement is the State of South Carolina, especially the Upcountry outside of Greenville. Christian Exodus members who have moved to the area appreciate the culture, climate, and lower cost of living.
* Idaho ( 1 Article )
Idaho has earned a reputation as a place where one can still breathe free, and relatively inexpensively, in a beautiful natural environment. Idaho is perhaps the most home-school friendly place in America. No government notification is required, nor any reporting of curriculum, nor progress in schooling.
* Latin America ( 1 Article )

Anticipating severe economic hardships and a loss of civil liberties in the United States, some Christian Exodus members are considering moving to Latin America. One country being investigated is Panama. It has a very pleasant climate, abundant natural beauty, economic opportunity, personal privacy, low taxation, rich food sources, and many other advantages.



Search of it:

http://www.dogpile.com/dogpile/ws/results/Web/christian%20exodus!2Bsouth%20carolina/1/417/TopNavigation/Relevance/iq=true/zoom=off/_iceUrlFlag=7?_IceUrl=true

[Lerkfish]

29. explain, please

[robcon]

31. Acting as if it were a threat to the president is stupid.

It's an act, IMO, or possibly the result of deep paranoia.

[immoderate]

32. Remember what happened to Dr. Tiller?

The infrastructure is already there. Any member of Operation Rescue is happy to refer to Obama as a "murderer." And Glen Beck pointed out he was a "racist" who "has a deep hatred for white people." They might as well paint a target on him.

This rhetoric is giving license to any of their lunatic fringe, whom they cultivate, to take Obama out. Oh, they'll say it was an independent lunatic, so it's not our fault.

--imm

[progressivebydesign]

41. actually, the Palinites were referring to Obama as a "baby-killer" in the campaign.

They know the code words that get those angry old men livid with hatred. Most of them would not be considered as classically paranoid, but they have that syndrome.. the "angry old white man" syndrome that has actually been documented. It's a mixture of anger and disappointment over their own perceived failures and impotence; the need for a target to blame for their inadequacies; and a paranoia that makes them believe that someone is personally targeting them, and that's why they're angry, impotent, and a failure.

It's quite real. And the people who craft media messages for the RNC, the lobbyists, and the media itself, are WELL-VERSED in psychology and know exactly what they're doing. The RNC, the Cheney's etc, don't care what it takes to get power back. They have to have power back, and they don't care what they have to do to achieve it.

[rbrnmw]

46. JFK's assassination in Dallas

that morning they posted a wanted poster in the newspaper the motorcade route I think was also printed a few days before he arrived. The righties attacked Adlai Stevenson in Dallas 2 weeks before but this is made worse because of the internet and a Hate Network who pretends they are a news channel stirring it 24/7 Elected leaders outright lying about him oh yeah they want him killed it is so obvious

[Lerkfish]

33. ok thanks for the explanation. It appears your post is stupid

not mine.

and, I will explain. To ignore a threat is to allow the act.

[Hansel]

36. Or the FACT that threats against him are up 400%.

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/cspanjunkie/why-i-hate-barack-obama-pastor-steven

[Lerkfish]

47. perhaps you should read this thread: threats against Obama UP 400% over Bush

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6525087&mesg_id=6525087


but I guess I'm just "stupid" huh?

[NikolaC]

22. Exactly and it's pretty scary

They have been ratcheting up the hate, lies and hysteria for some time now. None of that party's so called leaders are willing to openly and consistently call their followers on the madness, much less try to get them to tone down the rhetoric and calm down. There needs to be more arrests made and boycotts of the sponsors of a lot of the hate talk "personalities".

[salinen]

23. Not only the President

but they are calling for violence against all "others".

[HopeOverFear]

28. Man with a gun arrested outside the Capitol during Obama's healthcare speech

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hY_n6B4SFGWIzcSE8cKLnjrxoLNwD9AKKE481

WASHINGTON — U.S. Capitol Police have arrested a Virginia man they say tried to get into a secure area near the Capitol with a gun in his car as the president gave his health care address to Congress.

Police spokeswoman Sgt. Kimberly Schneider said Thursday that 28-year-old Joshua Bowman of Falls Church, Va., was arrested around 8 p.m. Wednesday. Bowman's intentions were unclear, police said.

Schneider says Bowman approached a security checkpoint near the Cannon House Office Building in a 4-door Honda Civic and told officers he wanted to park.

People who want to get into the area must have a permit and have their vehicles searched. The timing of the request raised an officer's suspicion, Schneider said, and Bowman consented to a vehicle search.

Schneider said a shotgun and ammunition were found in Bowman's trunk. Bowman was charged with having an unregistered firearm and ammunition, she said.

A telephone directory lists a Joshua Bowman in Falls Church, but the telephone rang unanswered Thursday afternoon.

[thereismore]

43. You are right. They are RACIST mother fuckers. Obama must feel what Jackie Robinson did. nt

[rbrnmw]

49. I can't even imagine how the Obama's must feel

I am so miserable right now I truly don't understand why? Why are there still so many hated filled people who hate a man for his skin color i thought we had gotten past this but sadly it just brought it out more so it is irrational i read a book in hs called Black Like Me it is a very good book and an eye opener about how the same man travelled through the south first as white then as black he was treated horribly by people while he was black who had men very nice to him as a white man

[thereismore]

50. I'll check out the book. I feel pain for our President. He works for so many people who hate him. nt

[Lerkfish]

48. Another thread points out death threats against Obama up 400% compared to Bush

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6525087&mesg_id=6525087

[NecklyTyler]

55. With a listening audience of 20,000,000 it only takes one useful idiot to complete the mission

With a fairness doctrine, we could cut the numbers way down