ACORN Controversy: Would You Like More Info? (Bat-Sh*t Crazy Pastor's Daughter)

[oligarhy]

Here is what I have learned so far:

1. Glenn Beck has been teasing this for awhile on his show. (I listen so you don't have to)

2. He debuted the controversy yesterday, while FOX News also showed it on their website, and presumably their cable channel. (You watch so I don't have to.)

3. Bekkky kept saying that he was afraid to release the names of the two 'journalists'. But he did mention the lady's name was Hannah.

4. The video was created by a site called biggovernment.com. Hannah Giles has a article on the site about how she came up with the idea of the prostitute story.

5. Hannah Giles is listed as the oldest daughter of Doug Giles at Townhall.com Hannah Giles If you want a good laugh, read her articles and think about how she is a journalism major.

6. Doug Giles is a columnist but he is also Pastor of a church and has a crazy radio program. His townhall articles Giles NNDB profile More background on Giles

7. Giles big thing is infiltration. They hit 4 different ACORN offices and got video from one office that made ACORN look bad and ACORN fired the two workers.

There you go, a little more story...behind the story.

My tidbit: I think it is interesting how a just-over-teenage daughter of a pastor comes up with one of the sickest scenarios to do the ACORN 'sting'. Not only do I think she is weird, I think she is also a pervert.

[theoldman]

1. So is the story true or not?

Rarely in my life have I ever been able to learn the whole truth in cases like this.

[pdxmom]

2. And biggovernment.com is a website launched yesterday by none

other than Andrew Breitbart. From what I can tell, FAUX News was the only media outlet talking about the launch of the site before it came out ( http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/09/new-political-blog-biggovernmentcom-launch-thursday/ ). There was an article earlier this week, also on FAUX, that Breitbart would be breaking a story that would knock Obama's health speech off the front page, but that article seems to have disappeared.

I do think that Breitbart is working hand-in-glove with FAUX, as another arm of that outlet on the web. They are trying to make this a legitimate website and the Huffingtonpost of the right.

[oligarhy]

3. Beck also kept saying they have been working on it for weeks.

Fox also played the footage during bekkky's radio show. He said, "they are playing it now."

It was all coordinated.

[drm604]

4. Check out the contributors.

From here: http://biggovernment.com/contributors/

Contributors
Publius
Andrew Breitbart
Mike Flynn
Hannah Giles
Ken Blackwell and Ken Klukowski
Doug O'Brien
James O'Keefe

[yawnmaster]

5. We can agree that it is a sting operation set up by the far right, but...

apparently they have recorded serious "misbehavior" in two offices, baltimore and DC.
And by serious I mean advising them how to cheat on taxes (performance artist??) and by giving hints how to deal with having underage prostitutes in the house.

ACORN does need to really investigate this on their own before they are forced to do it from outside.

Yes we can blame the far right messenger, but we'd better not put on blinders if we are going to keep ourselves clean.

[GrantDem]

6. +1

[drm604]

7. Two, out of hundreds nationwide.

How many did they have to visit to catch these two? We don't know yet, for sure. If you try to pull something like this over and over in the different offices of just about any organization, you'll probably get one or two hits. They knew this when they set it up.

Did they really believe when they set out to do this that Acorn was in the business of giving advice to pimps? Were they out to prove suspected behavior? No, they were playing a numbers game hoping that one or two would bite.

[yawnmaster]

8. In my opinion, one or two allowing this behavior is more than enough...

at the very least it means that ACORN's training methods are deficient, and that there is a lack of oversight.
It is a huge issue to at the very least ignore child prostitution, and at worst condone it.

I doubt they visited hundreds, we'll have to see how many they actually visited. I'd like to see video from the failed stings.

[drm604]

9. More than enough for what? To prove that Acorn is in the business of giving advice to pimps?

I never said that they visited hundreds of offices, just that there are hundreds of offices nationwide. We don't know how many they visited. I doubt that it was more than a dozen or two, at most. Possibly less.

Acorn may need to improve it's hiring and training practices, but that's beside the point. Does anyone really believe that criminals regularly visit Acorn asking for business and financial advice? Is that any more likely than Mickey Mouse actually trying to cast a vote? The whole point of this exercise was to portray them as something they are not. It's just one more part of the ongoing campaign to smear Acorn, and it's a stunt worthy of Sacha Baron Cohen, not a serious journalist.

We need to be defending Acorn and condemning this kind of stunt.

[yawnmaster]

10. defending them how? eom

[drm604]

12. You know what?

If I thought that was an honest sincere question, I'd try to answer it.

Read my previous post if you really want to know how. :eyes:

[oligarhy]

11. But, but, but! They got a couple of people being bad on tape!

You know, like we have to disavow ANY organization that has two bad people in it. I think that would include every political party, business, church and family. Including the 'pimp and ho'. They must have done a couple of bad things in their life.

[drm604]

13. Apparently there are a few "DUers" who think we should disavow them.

They are frantically trying to convince us just how horrible ACORN is.

This smear campaign against ACORN makes me sick. People need to look at what they really do.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACORN

ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, is a community-based organization that advocates for low- and moderate-income families by working on neighborhood safety, voter registration, health care, affordable housing, and other social issues. ACORN has over 400,000 members and more than 1,200 neighborhood chapters in over 100 cities across the United States, as well as in Argentina, Canada, Mexico, and Peru. ACORN was founded in 1970 by Wade Rathke and Gary Delgado. Maude Hurd has been National President of ACORN since 1990.

ACORN's priorities have included: better housing and wages for the poor, more community development investment from banks and governments, better public schools, and other social justice issues. ACORN pursues these goals through demonstration, negotiation, lobbying for legislation, and voter participation. ACORN is a non-profit, nonpartisan organization that typically champions liberal and progressive causes. It is made up of numerous legally distinct parts including local non-profits, a national lobbying organization, and the ACORN Housing Corporation.

They're on a par with Habitat for Humanity, which everyone praises, but instead of getting praised they're subjected to a campaign to portray them as some sort of evil vote stealing pimp supporting street gang.

It's disgusting, and it's WRONG!