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Bill219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 05:39 PM
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What is the story with the ACORN video that has all the Beckites all a flutter today?
Anyone know anything about it..I haven't had the time to to look into it myself
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el_bryanto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 05:40 PM
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1. I asked about it earlier
I haven't seen a debunking of it - here's an examiner story on it --> http://www.examiner.com/x-7715-Portland-Civil-Rights-Examiner~y2009m9d10-ACORN-101-prostitution-tax-evasion-illegal-immigration-child-sex-trade

Only a few semi-legitimate news sites are picking it up. Beck is going to have the whole video on his show tonight, and Limbaugh was talking about it too.

Smells to high heaven to me.

Bryant
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 05:43 PM
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2. "an undercover video made by two people who were fed up with the corruption"
From that article you posted.

Yes, it does start to smell right away. Sounds like a manufactured deal by ACORN haters.

Mark my words, it's only a matter of time before it gets debunked.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 05:46 PM
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5. "Whitey Tape!"
:rofl: WHEN are these people going to LEARN?!
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 06:14 PM
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11. or another "Alien Autopsy"
a fine work from the Fox network
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Bill219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 05:44 PM
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3. Thanks for the info
I hope this crap isn't true
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 05:45 PM
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4. Unfortunately, I heard this on Fox News Radio today
Ed Schultz's show is broadcast on a Fox station where I live. So I have to put up with that crap when I listen to Ed (or turn the radio down at news breaks).

That's the only place I've heard about it. Nothing in the M$M (yet)
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Kadie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 05:50 PM
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6. From AP: ACORN fires 2 after hidden-camera footage aired
ACORN fires 2 after hidden-camera footage aired

8 mins ago

BALTIMORE – The nonprofit housing group ACORN has fired two employees at its Baltimore office who were seen on hidden-camera video giving advice to a man posing as a pimp and a woman pretending to be a prostitute.

Fox News Channel broadcast excerpts from the video Thursday. Those excerpts showed a man and woman asking about buying a house and how to account on tax forms for the woman's income. An ACORN employee advises the woman to list her occupation as "performance artist."

Maryland ACORN board member Margaret Williams says in a statement the employees "did not meet ACORN's standards of professionalism."

The statement also says the video was an attempt to smear ACORN and that undercover teams attempted similar stunts at three other ACORN offices.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090910/ap_on_re_us/us_acorn_hidden_camera_1

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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 06:11 PM
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9. Attempted three other times?!
:wow:
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 06:17 PM
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13. so they kept trying this stunt until they got the results they wanted?
They went to 4 other ACORN offices before this one?

I bet they could have pulled the same stunt at HR Block and they would eventually get the same result, if they went to enough offices
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Blue For You Donating Member (466 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 05:57 PM
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7. Fox News creating fake videos to fool their ignorant viewers.
Fox is one of the downsides to freedom of the press.
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TxRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 06:03 PM
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8. Copied from another forum...
Officials with the controversial community organizing group ACORN were secretly videotaped offering to assist two individuals posing as a pimp and a prostitute, encouraging them to lie to the Internal Revenue Service and providing guidance on how to claim underage girls from South America as dependents.

The videotape was made public Thursday on BigGovernment.com, a political blog launched by Andrew Breitbart as a companion site to his BigHollywood.breitbart.com blog.

In the videotape, made on July 24, James O'Keefe, a 25-year-old independent filmmaker, posed as a pimp with a 20-year-old woman named "Kenya" who posed as a prostitute while visiting ACORN's office in Baltimore. The couple told ACORN staffers they wanted to secure housing where the woman could continue to maintain a prostitution business.

ACORN — the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now — bills itself as the nation's largest community of low- and moderate-income families "working together for social justice and stronger communities," according to its Web site. The organization has been accused by Republicans and conservative activists with fraud in voter registration drives around the country and has been under fire since last year for its support of President Obama and for its planned participation in next year's census.

A spokesman for ACORN, Scott Levenson, when asked to comment on the videotape, said: "The portrayal is false and defamatory and an attempt at gotcha journalism. This film crew tried to pull this sham at other offices and failed. ACORN wants to see the full video before commenting further."

On the videotape, "Kenya" can be seen telling an ACORN staffer that she earns roughly $8,000 a month. The ACORN employee then suggests to "Kenya" that ACORN could submit a tax return for 2008 showing that she made $9,600 for the entire year — instead of $96,000 — and that ACORN would charge "Kenya" $50 instead of the usual $150 fee for preparing her taxes.

ACORN offers tax preparation and benefits application services free of charge during tax season; it charges nominal fees during non-tax season.

The ACORN staffer can also be seen suggesting that the prostitute list her occupation as a freelance "performing artist."

"It's not dancing, trust me," the "pimp" says.

"But dancing is considered an art," the ACORN staffer replies. " usually go under performing artists, or yeah, they usually go under performing arts, which will be what you are — a performing artist."

The "pimp" later says that he and "Kenya" plan to bring up to 13 "very young" girls from El Salvador to work as prostitutes. Although an ACORN staffer points out their plans are illegal, she also suggests that the girls can be claimed as dependents.

"What if they are going to be making money because they are performing tricks too?" the pimp says.

"If they making money and they are underage, then you shouldn't be letting anybody know anyway," the ACORN staffer says, and laughs. "It's illegal. So I am not hearing this, I am not hearing this. You talk too much. Don't give up no information you're not asked."

The "pimp" then asks ACORN staffers to "promise" not to discriminate against his sex worker because of "who she is and what she does," according to the audiotape.

"If we don't have the information, then how are we going to discriminate?" the ACORN staffer replies. "You see what I am saying?"

If the girls are under age 16, the ACORN staffer says on the tape, then they are not legally allowed to work in the state, regardless of what they do.

"So it's like they don't even exist?" "Kenya" asks.

"Exactly," the ACORN staffer replies. "It's like they don't even exist."

The staffer goes on to suggest that as many as three of the underage girls can be listed as dependents at the home, but a "flag" will be raised if as many as 13 are listed.

"You are gonna use three of them," the staffer says. "They are gonna be under 16, so you is eligible to get child tax credit and additional child tax credit."

The ACORN workers also appear to be promoting the group's services to the "pimp" and "Kenya."

A second ACORN employee can be heard on the audiotape suggesting that the couple join the organization for an annual cost of $120 prior to attending one of its first-time homebuyer seminars, which are underwritten with taxpayer funds.

Later, when the "pimp" asks what would happen if the organization is somehow connected to the scheme, the ACORN staffer replies, "First of all, it's not gonna damage us because we not gonna know. And with your girls, you tell them, 'Be careful.' Train them to keep their mouth shut."

"These girls are like 14, how can we trust them?" the pimp asks.

"Just be very, very careful," the ACORN staffer says. "Whatever you do, always keep your eyes in the back of your head."

Reached by FOX News, O'Keefe said he was "shocked" at the level of assistance provided by ACORN staffers.

"I was prepared for them to call the police, throw me out of the office and be hostile," he said. "Without hesitation, they helped me every way they could with evading taxes and setting me up with a brothel, with getting around federal tax laws — doing everything they could to help us. I was completely shocked."

House Republicans issued a report in July accusing ACORN of engaging in a scheme to use taxpayer money to support a partisan political agenda. California Rep. Darrell Issa, the top Republican on the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, called for a criminal investigation into the group, which dismissed the report as a "partisan attack job."
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 06:13 PM
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10. And where did you copy and paste from? Internet decorum suggests
that you really should provide a source--or not be offended when I call the reoport you provided hooey.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 06:16 PM
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12. Sounds like a Borat-style setup
this one isn't funny, though
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 06:26 PM
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14. The female character was named "Kenya"
That tells you all you need to know about what is going on here.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 10:04 PM
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16. I'm glad you noticed that too
So far from what I can tell, ACORN got busted on this, and I'm glad they were on top of things to fire these people; but I can't help but wonder if there's more going on that we're not seeing....on both sides of the issue
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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 06:31 PM
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15. Source?? nt.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 10:09 PM
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17. It is A Reasonable Summary, Sir, Of What Is Presented On the Videos
The people were idiots not to see they were being scammed, of course, but put bluntly, the sort of advice they gave is imparted by professionals in better raiment and much better offices for a good fee every day....
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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 10:12 PM
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18. Thanks, Magistrate. Very unfortunate that these folks didn't realize the scam they were being duped
with, and you're exactly right about the same advice being given, off-camera, in the privacy of plush legal offices all over this country and many others.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 10:21 PM
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20. Indeed, Sir, And For That, These Get No Pity From Me
The whole story is simply ludicrous. The boy playing pimp describes himself as a law student at a good college, and says he hopes to bankroll a run for Congress in future with the proceeds of the girl's sexual endeavors. Anyone who took this seriously for more than a nanosecond is too stupid to be allowed out of doors without an attendant....
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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 10:28 PM
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21. Unfortunately the stupid is strong in our society today, almost beyond comprehension at times. nt.
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TxRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 10:34 PM
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22. Sorry couldn't post the source, it's a private paid subscription forum
But it's basically what I saw in the vid anyway.. And the most complete info I had seen

I assumed it came from Fox news or somewhere originally.

Now there is another vid, the first was in Baltimore, second from DC.

I'm smelling something fishy though, I half expect the other shoe to drop on it and expose it as a put up paid for scam.

I was surfing channels tonight after watching the Rove Dean debate and briefly saw the two kids who made the videos on Fox news, but I only caught enough of it to catch who they were... Young kids 23 and 20 year old.

I had heard the kids didn't show for a CNN interview they agreed to, Fox must have paid them to skip it and go on a Hannity.

I'll see if I can't find the whole interview on their site or somewhere.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 10:17 PM
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19. Of course when BushCo had all the crap going on actually in the government
with lobbyist as well, those of course where isolated indiscretions.

As far as I'm concerned these knuckle dragging zombies are fodder for the dustbin of history. I could give a shit what they want or what they say.
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