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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 07:42 PM
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Public option
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 07:43 PM
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1. Yes!
It's coming!
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 07:43 PM
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2. Not open to people who have private insurance
now, that will make it competitive. :sarcasm:
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GregD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 07:43 PM
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3. "only an option for those who don't have insurance"
This sounds bad
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 07:44 PM
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4. I thought that was always what it was supposed to be for.
Or was I missing something?
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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 07:52 PM
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12. Uh, no
it was supposed to give you a CHOICE between private and public plan, regardless of your income, and make private insurance more competitive. it won't do that unless it is allowed to compete with the private insurance companies. the 'public option' is otherwise meaningless.



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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 07:45 PM
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The Public Sorta-Option Maybe
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 07:45 PM
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8. Love it!
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endless october Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 07:45 PM
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7. yeah, what does that mean?
that people working at walmart will have to buy walmart's crappy option?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 07:46 PM
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9. Basically, the insurance companies will take the healthy people and dump the sick.
A profit for them, a costly disaster for the government.

OR, people in ill health will be FORCED to take horrible plans simply because the insurance company is willing to cover them...badly.
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 07:49 PM
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11. Exactly. It will effectively become a health insurance ghetto. n/t
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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 07:54 PM
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14. Not at all.
He made it clear that it would pay for itself - it would have to, since he also said that he wouldn't add a penny to the federal deficit.

In other words, it won't cost anything because it will fail.

Excuse me, I need to go puke.

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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 07:45 PM
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5. Told ya'll so.
LOL! At the people that thought he didn't support it.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 07:45 PM
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6. Are you joking?
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 07:47 PM
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10. No I've always said he supported it. nt
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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 07:56 PM
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15. It's is not a real public option
if there's so many restrictions that very few will actually qualify for it.

95% would still be forced to buy mandated private insurance.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 08:11 PM
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16. Not close to a real public option.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 07:53 PM
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13. This is not a public option
"Now, I have no interest in putting insurance companies out of business. They provide a legitimate service, and employ a lot of our friends and neighbors. I just want to hold them accountable. The insurance reforms that I’ve already mentioned would do just that. But an additional step we can take to keep insurance companies honest is by making a not-for-profit public option available in the insurance exchange. Let me be clear – it would only be an option for those who don’t have insurance. No one would be forced to choose it, and it would not impact those of you who already have insurance. In fact, based on Congressional Budget Office estimates, we believe that less than 5% of Americans would sign up.

Despite all this, the insurance companies and their allies don’t like this idea. They argue that these private companies can’t fairly compete with the government. And they’d be right if taxpayers were subsidizing this public insurance option. But they won’t be. I have insisted that like any private insurance company, the public insurance option would have to be self-sufficient and rely on the premiums it collects. But by avoiding some of the overhead that gets eaten up at private companies by profits, excessive administrative costs and executive salaries, it could provide a good deal for consumers. It would also keep pressure on private insurers to keep their policies affordable and treat their customers better, the same way public colleges and universities provide additional choice and competition to students without in any way inhibiting a vibrant system of private colleges and universities.

It’s worth noting that a strong majority of Americans still favor a public insurance option of the sort I’ve proposed tonight. But its impact shouldn’t be exaggerated – by the left, the right, or the media. It is only one part of my plan, and should not be used as a handy excuse for the usual Washington ideological battles. To my progressive friends, I would remind you that for decades, the driving idea behind reform has been to end insurance company abuses and make coverage affordable for those without it. The public option is only a means to that end – and we should remain open to other ideas that accomplish our ultimate goal. And to my Republican friends, I say that rather than making wild claims about a government takeover of health care, we should work together to address any legitimate concerns you may have.

For example, some have suggested that that the public option go into effect only in those markets where insurance companies are not providing affordable policies. Others propose a co-op or another non-profit entity to administer the plan. These are all constructive ideas worth exploring. But I will not back down on the basic principle that if Americans can’t find affordable coverage, we will provide you with a choice. And I will make sure that no government bureaucrat or insurance company bureaucrat gets between you and the care that you need."
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