Does "no public option" get your support?

[Old Studentka]

It sure as hell doesn't get mine! Jesus! What the fuck else are we supposed to do??? We gave the Dems a massive goddamn mandate, presidential AND congressional, last November!

There's a reason why it's called "representative government!"

Do you feel represented? Is the vote you cast ten months ago yielding the results you wanted? Are the Democrats we all supported doing what we, the people, AUTHORIZED them to do?

If Obama's speech does not bash those idiots in Congress over their spineless heads in favor of the public option, DO NOT be surprised if your late local news has a story about a 46-year-old man in Maine being carted off to the loony bin, having smashed his TV and begun screaming obscenities!

[Old Studentka]

1. Minus, eh?

Must be a freeper! :shrug:

[villager]

2. the "un-rec" bots are as reliable as the sun rising in the east, if not more so...

n/t

[Jester Messiah]

15. Un-rec should be donor-only functionality.

Just sayin'.

[bobbolink]

3. I canceled it out. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

THAT is why it stinks to let people (?) unrec!

:hi:

[Robber M]

4. I'd rather single-payer

I've got Canadian and British friends who laugh their asses off at people like Palin & Beck!

[BradXXX]

5. No it doesn't.

it's rather disappointing but I guess that goes with being a democrat these days.

[Robber M]

6. Well what are we even doing here?

I mean, if that's the case, then what?

[aquart]

7. I hope every one of those pricks drops down with an incurable itch.

A genital itch.

I hope it becomes an axiom: "You're scratching, you must be my Congressman."

I want them to SUFFER.

Because I am more eye for an eye than loving and giving like our president.

Yes, they can scratch out their own eyes, too. Since they won't look at they harm they do.

[TheKentuckian]

8. I won't support a bad bill and don't think we can have a good bill w/o single payer or the option

but I could tolerate a mediocre bill if need be. One that is much less expensive and does not mandate insurance for individuals, focusing on regulations and some funding to help low income folks.

I will say that an actual good bill could be produced with out any government program but it would require the equally (or more so) tough road of removing the anti-trust exemption and over-riding state laws.

[cyclezealot]

9. Not that I am happy with the Dem, if we've no public option..

I doubt I can bring myself to support this piece of crap... Still. You are overly optimistic about American democracy. It's a stymied system..Mostly the cause US democracy is so screwed up.. The 60 vote cloture rule in the Senate and the way we finance our campaigns.. It's not meant to be representative..

[mmonk]

10. Progressives are trapped between the pigs at the trough.

[BzaDem]

11. You really didn't give the Dems a massive mandate.

If you did, progressives would be in the majority. Not the minority. In each house. As they are now.

It's actually pretty common that people don't "feel represented." I'm assuming you wanted healthcare reform in 2004, when Republicans controlled Congress. Did you "feel represented" when it didn't pass? Of course not. There's really nothing different now. Sure, Democrats now have majorities, but just because someone is a Democrat doesn't mean they are a progressive.

[mmonk]

13. We have larger numbers than the Republicans did when bush

was in office and he got everything he wanted including the ability to break our laws. The Democrats are weak because they want to be weak in order to get corporate dollars from our overlords, the corporations.

[BzaDem]

14. That just means there was a majority of Conservatives in Congress.

Just because Congress had a Conservative majority doesn't mean that we now have a Liberal majority just because the Democratic party controlls Congress. We have a liberal minority.

(And the idea that Bush got everything he wanted is silly. His signature policy initiative, the 1.6 trillion tax cut, went through reconciliation and therefore expires after 10 years. It is about to expire because he didn't get everything he wanted. His second tax cut proposal of 700 billion was cut to 300 billion. He didn't get to touch Social Security at all.)

[TheWatcher]

22. They aren't WEAK, they are COMPLICIT.

break out of the false paradigm.

NEITHER Side is on OUR Side.

No matter how delusional or Stockholm people are willing to get.

[proud2BlibKansan]

12. NO

[Faryn Balyncd]

16. of course not. . . any plan without an a robust, affordable public option for all must be defeated.

[Cherchez la Femme]

17. Nope

No public option, that will be the proverbial straw on the proverbial camel: I'll be done with the party. Period.

I've put up with spineless, mealymouth pantywaists for years. I've had to hold my nose to vote for way too many, some ersatz "Democratic" politicians. No more. From now on I'm only voting for who I REALLY support, not the lesser of two evils.


A couple weeks ago there was a headline 'Obama losing Democratic support'
...well, the reason for that is that Democrats have lost Obama's support
And yes, I'm talking about all the progressives, gay, and women's rights supporters thrown under the bus.
How crazy is it to dump one's base? ...and in hopes of winning these Republicans!
Serially.


It was a good speech though,
however without Public Option it was 'full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.'
So very sad to say.


But we'll see, there still is a chance for him to do the right thing (without, I don't believe he'll be reelected)
... but as for Hope, I have precious little.

[Kitsune]

18. Not only does it not have my support, it loses Obama my vote.

And the Dems as a whole won't be far behind if they don't fix this colossal fucking mess.

Mandated insurance, a public option you can't buy into, and meaningless co-ops? What the hell did we elect these people for?

[PHIMG]

19. Public Option (out), Tort Reform and planks from McCains '08 Plan (In)

Change we should run from.

I'm so done with TRIANGULATION.

Obama is DLC 2.0

Do what the DLC says but try harder to pretend to be a Progressive.

Obama is the new compassionate conservatism.

I hope to hell Al Gore runs as an FDR style Democrat in the 2012 primary. Even if he doesn't win or drops out early. We need a big name to educate the rank and file of our party about the corporatist takeover.

[Laelth]

20. That's definitely not the change I voted for. n/t

:puke:

:dem:

-Laelth

[ShortnFiery]

21. +1

Well put. :hi: