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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:45 AM Original message |
‘Clunkers’ raises prices, hurts poor |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
1. unintended consequences. K&R |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 11:42 AM Response to Reply #1 |
35. Oh, I Think The Consequences Were Intentional |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:23 PM Response to Reply #35 |
46. Older (poor) cars with good gas mileage don't apply; newer, (yuppie) gas guzzlers do. |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:15 PM Response to Reply #35 |
148. Wrong wrong wrong. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:50 AM Response to Original message |
2. Aw, the used-car lots that sell crap cars for high prices to people |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:05 PM Response to Reply #2 |
41. You somehow omitted to mention the vast, private direct sales of used cars on Craigslist |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
3. Sorry, I call bulls**t on this. CARS didn't take 690,000 cars out of the resale market because they |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 10:27 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. I know...it make no sense |
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PopSixSquish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 05:44 PM Response to Reply #8 |
115. Many on DU are Determined to Find Something to Invalidate Any Program of Obama's |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:34 PM Response to Reply #8 |
153. The demand for Used cars has skyrocketed during the recession |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 11:26 AM Response to Reply #3 |
28. Actually, it's not bullshit |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:17 PM Response to Reply #28 |
42. It is bullshit |
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bighart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 02:05 PM Response to Reply #42 |
61. they may not have been in the used car market currently, |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 02:22 PM Response to Reply #61 |
68. So.... |
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bighart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 03:18 PM Response to Reply #68 |
87. Truth is I think used car prices will go up |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:55 PM Response to Reply #87 |
161. You don't understand how the used car market works do you? |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:27 PM Response to Reply #61 |
152. How far into the future are you speculating? |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:45 PM Response to Reply #28 |
158. What we have found it that is directly affecting the first time driver market |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 11:56 AM Response to Reply #3 |
39. no, but a good percentage of those units would have eventually ended up in the used market |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 02:31 PM Response to Reply #39 |
72. oh and over what period of time? |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 05:58 PM Response to Reply #72 |
117. no, the cars are simply crushed and sold for scrap metal |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 02:24 PM Response to Reply #3 |
70. HUSH now, we are busy finding fault EVERYWHERE |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:22 PM Response to Reply #3 |
150. You got it thanks for applying logic to the thread. |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:25 PM Response to Reply #150 |
151. Yep! I know 3 people that participated in CARS. |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:41 PM Response to Reply #151 |
157. The rebates were worth WAY more than their cars would ever bring even sold privately |
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TheCML (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
4. It did bum me out. |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 10:21 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Perfectly good vehicles? How can a poor person afford to put gas into as gas-guzzling vehicle? |
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TheCML (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 10:24 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. wait. |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 10:30 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. I do too. |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 04:48 PM Response to Reply #6 |
106. I would think because they can't afford to buy another car! |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 08:29 PM Response to Reply #6 |
136. The point you're missing is that THIS is all that's left. |
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Dogtown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 10:15 AM Response to Original message |
5. Complaints of a (black) Democrat President's policy |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 10:32 AM Response to Reply #5 |
11. slightly? |
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Dogtown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 10:39 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. "Slightly" with a wink. |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 10:41 AM Response to Reply #5 |
15. Yawn... |
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Dogtown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 11:07 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Never said that. |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 11:11 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. There's even *more* racism in Boston. |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 11:18 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. While you are schooling us on racism, you should learn a little about it. |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 11:33 AM Response to Reply #23 |
31. I'm not schooling you on racism. |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 11:53 AM Response to Reply #31 |
38. Ah, you are schooling us on regional bigotry, while indulging in regional bigotry. |
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Hansel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 07:40 PM Response to Reply #31 |
126. Overt racism is a product of the south. Up north racism is a covert sport. |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 11:22 AM Response to Reply #20 |
26. This might help |
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Dogtown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:40 PM Response to Reply #26 |
55. Thank you, Horse w/n Name |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 11:32 AM Response to Reply #20 |
29. Just looked up a strange fruit picnic. |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 11:41 AM Response to Reply #29 |
34. Lynchings weren't so long ago. |
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Dogtown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:37 PM Response to Reply #29 |
54. You replied to yourself |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 10:32 PM Response to Reply #29 |
170. Decades means 10 years. We've had lynchings more recently than that. |
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Dogtown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:20 PM Response to Reply #20 |
44. "Strange Fruit" |
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rox63 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:02 PM Response to Reply #20 |
53. I don't know about that... |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 02:19 PM Response to Reply #5 |
65. Yep, this is an old racist canard |
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Dogtown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 02:59 PM Response to Reply #65 |
80. What a reasoned response! |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 03:05 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. A reasoned response to a reasoned comment |
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Dogtown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 03:56 PM Response to Reply #83 |
91. That's better, but |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 09:42 AM Response to Reply #91 |
181. Do you remember when bill clinton was president? |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
10. "Dealers say" |
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TokenQueer (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
12. Open a window... |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
14. I said this would happen. |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 11:19 AM Response to Reply #14 |
24. Good for you for being so self-satisfied. |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:43 PM Response to Reply #24 |
56. There's a little theory called supply and demand. You destroy 700,000 cars that would be |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:57 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Please present proof that what you assume has in fact taken place. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 02:58 PM Response to Reply #56 |
79. was there something wrong with the other 249,300,000 cars? |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 10:45 PM Response to Reply #14 |
174. It's hardly a crisis. |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
16. Bull. Shit. |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 11:58 AM Response to Reply #16 |
40. A lot of those private parties don't have cars to sell anymore |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:18 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. You have proof that private party inventory of excess or for sale cars has been reduced? |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:59 PM Response to Reply #43 |
52. Yes, I do. |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:58 PM Response to Reply #52 |
58. You just defeated your own arguement. |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 02:10 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. I don't think so. |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 02:21 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. If if if. |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 04:15 PM Response to Reply #67 |
97. There are fewer clunkers on the market. Price should increase as a result. |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 04:55 PM Response to Reply #97 |
108. The market will be affected by a reduction of 0.27%. |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 05:30 PM Response to Reply #108 |
110. You're using misleading, bullshit numbers |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 05:52 PM Response to Reply #110 |
116. Fine. Provide the 'real numbers'. |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:34 PM Response to Reply #116 |
154. The counterclaim is that every car in the US is currently on the market |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:54 PM Response to Reply #154 |
160. no that isn't the counter claim. provide the numbers. |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 10:05 PM Response to Reply #160 |
165. Do you know where to find the numbers? |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 09:37 AM Response to Reply #165 |
180. No. But I am not making or supporting the unsubstantiated |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 02:19 PM Response to Reply #180 |
182. You are correct in your analysis |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 07:05 PM Response to Reply #110 |
122. Fine. Provide the 'real numbers'. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 03:01 PM Response to Reply #62 |
81. "if a substantial number" |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 04:14 PM Response to Reply #81 |
96. Sigh. Are ALL cars in the US on sale at ALL times? |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 04:44 PM Response to Reply #96 |
104. Sigh, were ALL clunkers in the US on sale at ALL times? |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 10:01 PM Response to Reply #62 |
164. Buy-here, pay-here the last resort of the credit unworthy and poor |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 10:47 PM Response to Reply #40 |
175. Every policy has negative consequences. Deal with it. |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
17. This is so irretrievably stupid that only a true Obama hater would even entertain it |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 11:16 AM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Did you see this? |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 11:21 AM Response to Reply #21 |
25. I have a 1993 Toyota Corolla that didn't qualify for the CFC |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 04:18 PM Response to Reply #25 |
99. Even my husband's 1988 Dodge D-50 did not qualify |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:19 PM Response to Reply #99 |
149. Neither my nor my husband's car qualified. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
19. LOL... riiiight... |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 11:16 AM Response to Original message |
22. And we are supposed to believe that all of the sudden |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
27. Fucking stupid article... |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
30. Mistrust must be easier to apply than common sense |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:21 PM Response to Reply #30 |
45. Please provide proof that the inventory of used but efficient vehicles has been curtailed. |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:54 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. Used but efficient probably hasn't been curtailed. |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 02:03 PM Response to Reply #50 |
60. What compacting policy? |
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yodoobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 02:22 PM Response to Reply #45 |
69. The program, by design removed 690,000 -inefficent cars- from the market |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 04:13 PM Response to Reply #69 |
95. You did not answer the question. |
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yodoobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 02:28 AM Response to Reply #95 |
177. You've mistaken me for someone else |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 02:36 PM Response to Reply #30 |
75. We found 824 used listings within 500 miles of Los Angeles, |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 03:50 PM Response to Reply #75 |
89. And then search Craigslist. Then Ebay. Then the Recycler. |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 04:17 PM Response to Reply #75 |
98. Did you capture data before, too? |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 04:59 PM Response to Reply #98 |
109. Start answering my questions before demanding stats from others. |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 05:37 PM Response to Reply #109 |
112. So you insist that all cars in the US are comparable and are on sale at all times. |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 07:08 PM Response to Reply #112 |
123. You need to calm down. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 10:49 PM Response to Reply #30 |
176. Every economic decision has negative ramifications of some kind. |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
32. Believe it or not, if devices like the Kindle catch on, you'll see the same effect |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 11:38 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Wisely put nt |
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GaYellowDawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 11:43 AM Response to Original message |
36. That is complete bullshit. |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 11:48 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. You're assuming that all used cars are sold by dealers. |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
47. right wing BULLSHIT onslaught |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:55 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. Um |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 02:28 PM Response to Reply #47 |
71. Basic economics |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 02:37 PM Response to Reply #71 |
76. See way up thread repeatedly |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 03:07 PM Response to Reply #76 |
84. People buying new cars |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 04:05 PM Response to Reply #84 |
94. the incentive was not enough to compel people who had no intention of getting a new car to get one |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 09:25 AM Response to Reply #94 |
178. If you were to convince everyone who was planning on buying a new car this year |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 05:40 PM Response to Reply #84 |
114. Seriously, I owe you many beers. Well said. nt |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 10:42 PM Response to Reply #71 |
172. By a very marginal amount. There are a lot of used cars out there. |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
48. More Stupid Teabagger myth-building... |
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Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
49. Ummm.... |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 02:18 PM Response to Reply #49 |
64. +1 |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 02:46 PM Response to Reply #49 |
77. +250,000,000 |
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bighart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
59. Whether you agree or disagree with OP, |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 02:11 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. Thank you |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 02:20 PM Response to Reply #59 |
66. Perhaps the extra used parts in the junkyards will slow the sales of used cars... |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 06:59 PM Response to Reply #66 |
118. Yes. That would be a good example of making stuff up. |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 07:02 PM Response to Reply #118 |
120. Have you ever been to a junk yard? |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 08:11 PM Response to Reply #120 |
131. The pretense of being well informed. |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 08:27 PM Response to Reply #131 |
133. Bullshit. |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 08:28 PM Response to Reply #120 |
134. Actually... |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 08:32 PM Response to Reply #134 |
137. The big myth is that "the auto industry" is one thing. |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 08:48 PM Response to Reply #137 |
142. Yeah. To all of that. |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 08:39 PM Response to Reply #134 |
140. Few yards in LA have cars for 9 months. |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:02 PM Response to Reply #140 |
144. Not all markets are they same, obviously. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 02:57 PM Response to Reply #59 |
78. not a fact, an assertion of opinion |
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bighart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 03:14 PM Response to Reply #78 |
86. you as well as the previous reply seem to be missing my point. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 03:45 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. There is nothing to take advantage of. |
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bighart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 04:19 PM Response to Reply #88 |
100. Dealerships are already floating the idea that the used car supply |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
73. What hurts the poor is Buy Here Pay Here |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 04:01 PM Response to Reply #73 |
92. if you really want thousands off |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 04:47 PM Response to Reply #92 |
105. These days, I don't think car dealers really WANT a cash customer |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
74. Unsurprising and inevitable |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
82. So is it time for me to sell my Auto Zone stocks? |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 04:50 PM Response to Reply #82 |
107. Yes. Change to Pep Boys stocks |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
85. "Nobody could have predicted..." |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
90. Wait a minute. The auto-parts market? |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 04:19 PM Response to Reply #90 |
101. I addressed that above, and you are correct. |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 08:38 PM Response to Reply #101 |
138. One question, "car person" ... |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 08:42 PM Response to Reply #138 |
141. Well, non car person... |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:07 PM Response to Reply #141 |
145. Sure. |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 08:58 PM Response to Reply #138 |
143. Um, that's 180 days. |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:12 PM Response to Reply #143 |
147. Correct. |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:36 PM Response to Reply #147 |
156. Correct me if I'm wrong, as I might well be. |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 10:12 PM Response to Reply #156 |
169. You are close, but one step farther than you should be. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
93. Thank you for understanding the real result of some of these proposals. |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 04:20 PM Response to Reply #93 |
102. Another one who ignored the entire thread just to post crap. |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 05:39 PM Response to Reply #102 |
113. How outrageous, all of us silly people who disagree with you! |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 07:03 PM Response to Reply #113 |
121. How pathetic, all of you silly people who have no proof. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 08:27 PM Response to Reply #113 |
132. That's what happens to those who get all their talking points from reading chicken entrails. |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 05:35 PM Response to Reply #93 |
111. I don't get why simple supply and demand eludes so many people |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 07:01 PM Response to Reply #111 |
119. Recycling! Yay! |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 07:12 PM Response to Reply #111 |
125. You are going to extremes to try to cover the fact that you have no proof. |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 08:00 PM Response to Reply #125 |
129. It's supply and demand |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 08:03 PM Response to Reply #129 |
130. No proof. |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
103. We should help increase mass transit and bike access to them, and help raise their salaries |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
124. There are the same number of cars on the road before & after C4C. n/t |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
127. When Obama signs health care. |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 08:29 PM Response to Reply #127 |
135. Where will all of the spare parts come from? |
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Mr. Sparkle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 07:50 PM Response to Original message |
128. It will hurt the dealers more if they dont lower there prices. n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:11 PM Response to Reply #128 |
146. Deleted sub-thread |
Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 08:39 PM Response to Original message |
139. Great, but everything is getting better right? |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:35 PM Response to Original message |
155. one man's ceiling is another man's floor |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:51 PM Response to Original message |
159. What an odd thread. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:57 PM Response to Reply #159 |
162. 700,000 is a lot of new cars. It is not a lot of old cars. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 10:06 PM Response to Reply #162 |
166. I was addressing the impact on the environment |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 10:45 PM Response to Reply #166 |
173. It was primarily an economic stimulus program. |
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moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
163. Don't forget the plight of clunker mechanics! |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
167. It seems many are simply pissed their cars didn't qualify |
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scrinmaster (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
168. Well, instead of the dealer selling those used cars, they've been destroyed. |
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Anakin Skywalker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 10:37 PM Response to Original message |
171. Wait a Few Months, and the Prices Will |
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newportdadde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 09:30 AM Response to Original message |
179. Sounds like dealers are ripping off on the used cards now just like they did on the new cars. |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 02:24 PM Response to Reply #179 |
183. Do you have any idea how much GROSS profit there is at sticker? |
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