Keith just hinted at the possibility of a primary opponent in 2012

[texasleo]

:popcorn:

[Uzybone]

1. will he vote this time?

[NoPasaran]

2. Lately I've been watching Keith with the sound off

And the TV tuned to another channel. It's easier on my nerves.

[lbrtbell]

40. Can't handle the truth, can you?

Obama needs a kick in the pants to remind him of who elected him--THE LEFT--and if it takes someone running against him in the 2012 primary, so be it.

I, for one, am glad Keith has the cojones to be honest about what's happening. Bury your head in the sand all you like, but Keith's been telling the truth since 2003, and I'm glad he continues to do so...no matter who is in power.

[Echo In Light]

62. Lately we've actually been watching Keith, as where we usually don't watch any M$M

[dem629]

63. LOL. What, you don't like his wonderful impersonations?

:rofl:

[mike_c]

3. recommending just to undo the unrec that some knucklehead...

...laid on the OP within seconds of its post. I mean, come on. How can one sentence reporting a real event be a bad post?

[WeDidIt]

4. IF Obama fails, we have no choice. n/t

[Pangolin2]

5. It would be very odd if there were not one...

:shrug:

[xchrom]

6. it would be a legitimate challenge. nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. Well the doormats have had it

[PFunk]

8. I say expect to see some democractic congressional/senate opponets running against Obama in 2010

As progressives begin to ditch him big time over this (his turning his back on the torture thing, and afganistan).

[DJ13]

9. I will vote for Obama again, but I think a challenger is a great idea

Politicians only do whats right when they're pushed into trying to win votes.

A challenger would keep Obama on the right path, though its way too early to be talking of 2012.

[WeDidIt]

11. No, it's EXACTLY THE RIGHT TIME to speak of 2012

any potential primary opponenet will have to start exploration next January if they are to mount a real campaign.

[DJ13]

13. I was thinking that doesnt need to happen until mid 2010, but okay

As I said, Im for a challenger to keep him on course.

[knixphan]

24. True.

Even if I plan to vote Obama, Dennis K gets $ from me - on principle alone.

[Becky72]

10. That's what Democracy is about

Let the chips fall where they may. I believe Obama would defeat any opponent but again, it's ok to have several choices.

[d_b]

12. Fuck that noise

the party itself is a cancer.

no, if they sell us out on the public option then Libs, progressives, etc. should bail.

Progressive party '12.

[bvar22]

15. That option appeals to me.

I can no longer be a part of the sham.
I will no longer hold my nose to vote.

[dmallind]

44. Progressive Party '12 = Palin 13-21. Lemme guess: "no difference"? NT

[d_b]

61. was that supposed to mean something?

[jmowreader]

68. I understood it.

We CAN NOT afford to split the vote between two non-Republican candidates. If we run two non-Republican candidates, the Progressive Party guy might get 15 percent to President Obama's 40 percent. This leaves 45 percent of the vote up for grabs, and if Palin manages to snag so much as one percentage point over the president...all of a sudden we're led by Mullah Muhammad Omar in lipstick.

[dmallind]

70. Only if you have an IQ over 65. So guess not. NT

[texasleo]

14. He said it again!

[ruggerson]

16. seemed to be more than a hint n/t

[malletgirl02]

17. A one Sentnace post has 14 Recs?

It is really about who you are around here.

[jus_the_facts]

59. Isn't it everywhere?! I haven't even seen texasleo post here in a long time.....

K'n'R just because I can! :D


:hi: leo!!

[quiet.american]

18. Yes, he also said some progressives might seek to do it even it meant tearing apart the party.

Or something very much to that effect.

[UTUSN]

20. And, of course, "tearing apart the party" is what we always want. n/t

[quiet.american]

21. Sometimes it certainly seems like it. nt

[Toasterlad]

55. You Can't Build a Shiny New Building Until You Tear Down the Condemned, Roach-Infested Crack House.

[DevonRex]

22. Yet DU is celebrating the thought of a primary challenger.

I'm so fucking sick of this I could spit.

[quiet.american]

23. You are not alone. nt

[TheWebHead]

19. well gee, if KO thinks Obama should have a primary challenger

I guess Barack should just pack his bags... lol. Keith is a clown who had his ego bruised by the Michael Smerconish interview and the realization that for poliitical reasons, you'll never see Barack do an interview with Keith again. Quite frankly, the administration likely welcomes this fuming by Keith because it makes those in between the ideological fringes view Obama as someone willing to anger his own base to get things done.

[Berry Cool]

30. What the hell do you mean by that?

"Keith is a clown who had his ego bruised by the Michael Smerconish interview and the realization that for poliitical reasons, you'll never see Barack do an interview with Keith again."

What the...????? :shrug:

[lbrtbell]

41. Move along, nothing to see here

Somebody's just in need of a waa-mbulance because Keith has dared to criticize He Who Must Not Be Criticized, No Matter How He Throws The Left Under The Bus.

[burning rain]

25. He may know much more than we do.

He and Maddow are in cahoots with HoDo, you know.

[WeDidIt]

26. Ayup

And HoDo will be POed if there's no public option.

[burning rain]

32. HoDo could KO BO in NoHo.

The first in the nation primary! Levity aside, I hope Obama gets healthcare reform on track with his speech. I sure would hate to see us get to a place where there was serious support for a primary challenge to Obama, but it could happen if he triangulates against lefties too much. Expectations are legitimately high given our fat congressional majorities.

[Canuckistanian]

27. It's a free country n/t

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

28. It would be nice to have a progressive run against the centrist wing of the party.

[QC]

71. Hell, a centrist primary challenger would be an improvement. n/t

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

29. And people wonder why I say these cable TV programs are garbage. n/t

[Berry Cool]

31. I still wonder.

I think the opinions of people who paint all cable TV programs with one brush are garbage myself.

[Jennicut]

33. Didn't we try this in 1980? I was five but reading about it did not seem to go so well for us...

[AllentownJake]

49. We stuck with the bad horse in 1980

and we lost.

[Jennicut]

50. I thought the infighting weakened the party but that is just me

Would Teddy have beaten Reagan...maybe. I think Teddy had way better ideals then Carter but looking back Carter was not a bad man either.

[Blasphemer]

34. I wish everyone in D.C. had to face serious primary challenges every election.. nt

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

67. That is the wisest statement in this thread.

I think that is really the way that the forefathers envisoned things. I think they thought we would always squabble amongst ourselves , and that we would have constant turnover due to citizens demanding accountability. About the LAST thing they ever imagined was entrenched lifetime politicos sucking simultaneously forever off BOTH the public AND the corporate dole.

[TwilightGardener]

35. Stupid. Man's been Prez for all of seven months. How about we

all give him a fucking chance?

[bonjourtristesse]

36. Did you excuse Bush's 9/11 inaction? Did you say give Bush a fucking chance, only been in 7 months!

Who is stupid?

[SemiCharmedQuark]

37. Yes, most people DID pardon him after 9/11. He had a 90% approval rating

that he subsequently pissed away with his actions.

[bonjourtristesse]

39. I certainly didn't. You have be ready to hit the ground running to be President.

I don't buy all this "only 7 months" whackadoodle talk.

[TwilightGardener]

38. Wha--WTF? There's no comparison between Obama and Bush.

Bush never attempted to bring affordable healthcare to all Americans, whatever shape that might take. Bush looked at the tanking economy with a "My Pet Goat" look on his face and merely awaited the end of his term. Bush started a war on false pretenses and killed thousands. Bush changed the laws to authorize torture. Bush failed at everything he tried to do--privatize SS (thank God), immigration reform, win a war, etc. All he did was cut taxes for the wealthy and let 9/11 happen. Sorry, y'all might be disappointed that Obama hasn't spun gold out of shit yet, hasn't made all of his promises happen in the first 7 months, and he might compromise and thus piss people off on both sides, but he isn't a malignant tumor like Bush/Cheney. I'd have to say, YOU'RE stupid.

[Inuca]

48. Correction: there SHOULD be no comparison

between Obama and Bush. Unfortunately, too many here and elsewhere make that comparison, ridiculous as it is.

[lbrtbell]

42. 7 months is MORE than enough of a chance

All Obama has done is worship at the altar of "bipartisanship", while not getting enough Republican votes on ANYTHING to take up the fingers of one hand.

It's time for him to use his 8th month in office to wake up to the fact that the Republicans are NOT going to cooperate, there's NO sense in offering them any compromises, and that the people want a public option--PERIOD.

[piratefish08]

47. ^^ What HE said! ^^

[NotThisTime]

54. If 7 months is more than enough time, let's just try to toss him out now for a Republican, maybe

they'll do a better job. I know Palin, Romney or Cantor would gladly take over.

[Toasterlad]

56. I'm Pretty Sure That Obama Shares More of a Republican View Than a Progressive View

In other words, I'm pretty sure he's already awake, and that he'll sleep easy tonight if the Republicans get whatever they want.

[SIMPLYB1980]

64. LOL!

:rofl:

[DFW]

43. I HOPE it was just intended to draw attention that some of us are getting impatient

We do not need a repeat performance of the 1980 primaries. What we need is what Obama the candidate was
saying he was going to do, and some decisive, Republican-free action. He did say he would extend the
hand of cooperation to the other side. Fine. He did NOT say he would chop it off and feed it to them in
honey-glazed barbecue sauce.

He'll never please all of the people all of the time. I hope he realizes that trying to fool all of the
people all of the time doesn't work either--not for Republicans, but not for us, either.

Cheneybush rammed through all sorts of horrible programs with a majority far smaller than our own current one.
You would think Obama could ram through some great ones with the majority he has. If he continues to choose
"bi-partisanship" over forceful leadership, he will be squashed like a bug. Like Bill Clinton realized too
late in 1994: if you have a congressional majority, use it or lose it. This time, we can't afford to lose it.
Mitch McConnell as Senate Majority Leader, and John Bonehead as Speaker of the House? Not likely, but I
want Obama to blow the nation away with forceful leadership to the point where it never even seems to be a
remote possibility.

[NNN0LHI]

45. Keith had better watch himself here

Some of us can still remember him spending a solid year going hysterical over Clinton getting a BJ. He says he regrets doing it now but still ...


Don

[Freddie Stubbs]

46. You cannot defeat someone with no one

Who would have the stature to give a credible challenge to Obama?

[slay]

51. Howard Dean

If Obama drops the public option - I would not be surprised to see Dean challenge him in 2012. The Obama people have basically treated Dean like shit anyways - despite his 50 state strategy that helped them win. I have no idea if he really would, but it also wouldn't surprise me.

[Freddie Stubbs]

52. Dean couldn't beat John Kerry. And John Kerry is no Barack Obama

Especially with the power of the White House behind him, it would be very hard to mount a credible challenge against the President.

[slay]

53. It would be difficult - but I wouldn't underestimate people's hatred of Republicans and yet

still wanting change since Obama is proving pretty useless in a lot of areas. Dean got assassinated by the media over his "Dean scream", but his message has always been pretty good. Granted, I'd much rather see Kucinich or Bernie Sanders. Perhaps John Kerry will man up and do it himself. Who knows - but Obama is sinking his own ship pretty fast these days. The media is of course helping sink him - but he really hasn't turned out to be much of a fighter for us so far. Look at Dean's 50 state winning strategy. Just cause you wouldn't vote for him doesn't mean he couldn't win.

[Missy Vixen]

57. I'm a lifelong Democrat

I will not vote for John Kerry again.

I would work my fingers to the bone for Howard Dean. He gets it done, and it's sad the party chose to ignore his invaluable contributions. Obama owes his win to Dean's innovations re: the fifty state strategy.

In the meantime, explain to me exactly how Barack Obama is different from George W. Bush, when he continues upholding Bush policies that should have been abolished the day Obama took office?

[slay]

58. I wish I could explain that to you - but I can not

I am thoroughly disgusted with Obama at this point - if he drops the public option it will be the final straw for me. If he does ditch the public option, I will be emailing Dr. Dean as soon as it happens asking him to please run against Obama in 2012 and will see where people are in getting DraftDean.com or something similar up and running again. We were promised change - and it has become more and more clear we were lied to. I truly expected more from Obama - a lot more.

[quiller4]

60. Because it worked so well in 1980? I'm sure not going there again. n/t

[redqueen]

65. Yep.

Brilliant plan... the left ALWAYS comes out ahead when it fractures. (In some parallel universe somewhere, maybe.)

[flyarm]

69. it seems to me, it is the people we put into power that fracture us! eom

[girl gone mad]

66. I don't know if I could bring myself to vote for a corporatist again.

It would be nice to be able to vote for a Democrat for a change.