What do you trust more: A triggered public health option or Mr. Jawad Othman?

[ddeclue]

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[atreides1]

1. By the time the trigger is pulled

No one except the ultra rich will be able to afford health insurance.

That trigger should give private companies exactly 180 days to adjust before the public option becomes a reality.

[Oregone]

2. A potential Medicare-for-All-like option is more threatening to insurers than a shitty public option

Something to think about. If a "trigger" can be used to renegotiate the concept and create a potentially robust option, thats a big threat that could "keep insurers honest". An non-triggered public option covering 10 million people isn't going to compete, drive down costs, or keep anyone honest. There is some value that could be gained from a compromise on this.

[ddeclue]

3. No there isn't this is delay. dilute, distract, defeat and deny tactics

and Obama seems to be going that way.

The idea is to delay and dilute until the Republicans can kick us out of Congress - time is on the GOP's side NOT ours. We have to pass a REAL public option or REAL single payer and do it NOW while we have a Democratic Congress and President. Who knows where we'll be in 2010 or 2012 or whether the ability to pass it will recur in our lifetimes?

[Oregone]

4. No, its not a delay at all. It will have a real impact, moreso than the scored public option would

The "public option", as scored by the CBO, would only cover 10 million people in a decade. That will have NO IMPACT on prices or competition in the general market. It will cover sectors of the population that are not profitable to cover conventionally. It is a distraction that will do NOTHING for everyone else. Get it?

Now, if you had a potential option that everyone could enroll in (Medicare-lite, single-payerish), looming in the clouds above the insurers head, its would immediately force everyone to change their policies to protect their long term viability.

Look, single-payer is not going to happen. According to early drafts, a meaningful public option is not going to happen. Both are off the table. Now, if a "trigger" could be accepted in a negotiation to put some of that back on the table, its worth considering. If nothing could be gained at all from it, then its not worth it. But see the bigger picture here. Passing *anything* for the sake of passing it will get you no where (and the current "public option" looks like a meaningless "anything"). But if you could make it meaningful, if only in theory, it could impact the market immediately.

[ddeclue]

6. Excuses excuses - this will put the trigger in the hands of insurance companies

who really thinks it will ever get pulled?

We're not that stupid. It's a trap!


We need a REAL public option without weasel clauses or a REAL single payer system without weasel clauses. Anything else is just a windfall profit to insurance companies and screwing the American people.

[Oregone]

7. But...a real public option AND real single payer are not on the table

And wont be. Bang your head against a wall. It wont help. Im only mentioning this as a bargaining chip to get one, since the Democrats can't come up with anything better.

[ddeclue]

8. Then kill it all and don't ask for my vote,. my money or my time Barack Obama, I'll be backing

Howard Dean or Dennis Kucinich.

Don't want to treat me like I'm important, then fine - lose without my help.

Doug D.
Orlando, FL

[Oregone]

9. Dean has been a major shill for this "reform"

Equating it to "single-payer" on multiple occasions. Those lies don't sit pretty with me.

But yeah, I basically agree with your stance. Its all crap. Should of been Medicare for All from the start.

[kjackson227]

10. Hmmm. interesting theory. I wonder is this what they have in mind.

[Oregone]

5. dupe