I have learned one thing this week

[DefenseLawyer]

A lot of white people really, really HATE rap music.

[WindRavenX]

1. LOL no kidding

I can't believe some of the shit I'm reading on DU as of late.

[NYCGirl]

2. And rap music makes shriveled up old white guys in cowboy hats say

horrible things! (Since defenders of Imus are blaming rap.)

[OneBlueSky]

3. well, it's not only white people . . . Ray Charles also didn't care for rap . . .

said he couldn't learn anything from it (musically) . . .

[Solo_in_MD]

4. You can't spell CRAP without RAP and nothing says back off quite like live bagpipes

[jeff30997]

5. Yep!I'm a White fellow!

And I really, really HATE rap music.But not as much as I REALLY hate country music!

BARF!:puke:

[notadmblnd]

6. I've grown to like some of it.

I have a 14 year old boy, I have to listen to what he listen to. Not because he's spoiled, but because I want to hear what he is listening to. Most of it is not too horrible, and that's coming from someone almost 50.

[Horse with no Name]

7. Everytime I call my daughter

I have to sit through it.

[Rosemary2205]

8. No. Imus supporters really really hate rap music.

I think the biggest market for rap is white men below 30.

[timeless12]

11. nope

I support Imus...I support rap (listen to it everyday)...

I think there is a difference between hating rap, and hating the fact that rap artists do and say whatever they want and make million, but Imus got into deep shit for being white and saying Nappy Headed. Double standard.

[DefenseLawyer]

13. I like the movie Texas Chainsaw Massacre

yet I don't like someone that actually kills people with a chainsaw. Double standard?

[timeless12]

16. not really..

If you said "I like texas chainsaw massacre even though it shows teens getting hacked to bits" and thought it was really great but then proceded to say "oh well...the hills have eyes is disgusting and should be taken off the shelves...IT SHOWS A FAMILY BEING KILLED". That would be a double standard.

[DefenseLawyer]

21. That seems to be a popular position here

and across right wing radio as well interestingly enough. I compared a work of fiction to real life. In my real life example a real person actually dies. You compared a movie to another movie. Of course no one really dies in either movie. By analogy, your position is then either , that Imus is a "character" and thus what he said was not "real life" or that there is no distinction to be made between fiction and real life. I do make that distinction. I don't think it is a double standard to say I like Cheech and Chong movies but I don't smoke weed. One is real one is not. Now you can say you don't appreciate the aesthetic of rap music, and you can even say that it is harmful, the devil's music. But for Imus apologists to to defend him and his racist joke by citing rap lyrics is like defending a murderer by saying Johnny Cash shot a man in Reno just to watch him die.

[mudesi]

9. The white people who own the record companies.....

....really, really, love rap music.

[MedleyMisty]

10. I like some of it too

I hope this isn't hi-jacking the thread, but I've also learned something this week.

Apparently a lot of people can only focus on one thing at a time and completely forget about all the atrocities that are rooted in hatred of the Other when other people are discussing hatred of the Other.

Although I can't really blame them for then assuming that no one else is capable of thinking about more than one thing at a time, because goodness knows I've done my fair share of assuming that other people think the way I do.

[Jcrowley]

12. Another thing

People watch a buttload of TV and their minds are shaped by mass media culture.

It's fucking frightening.

Genocide in Iraq.

Planetary meltdown.

Energy descent.

And more.

And here what we have on GD is an exhibition of the media-controlled mentality.

Well you cannot awaken those who are pretending to be asleep.

Pablum.

[1932]

14. You need to watch this film: Hip Hop - Beyond Beats and Rhythms

If I remember the quote correctly, every record over 700,000 is sold to a white kid.

White kids want to see and hear certain stereotypes in hip hop, and, if you want the white-owned labels to pay you money for your music, you pander to those white stereoptypes.

The day Jive records was sold to a huge corporation was a watershed moment in hip hop.

In other words, the problem with rap might be that a lot of white people like it.

http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/hiphop/

[Rosemary2205]

17. Informative link. Thanks. nt.

[Fran Kubelik]

15. Yeah, but that is not a huge surprise

It might even be accurate to say that a lot of people have not even tried to listen to rap, but have decided they hate it based on misguided preconceptions.

[timeless12]

18. I don't think the question is

whether of not people enjoy listening to it or even agree with its message. The argument in relation to Don Imus is that rap music is "pop" for the most part these days and should the message that children/youth get everyday on the radio and TV is that women are hos and so on. Why is it OK for rap artists to say it and not Don Imus. and I think the nappy headed piece of the comment is a whole other issue...the "ho" comment was what was wayyy out of line if you ask me...I don't see womens groups in an outrage though.

[Fran Kubelik]

20. My point is that a whole hell of a lot of rap does not talk about hos.

And people who generalize like you do above are usually not people who have actually done much listening to rap.
There is a large percentage of current hip hop that is socially conscious, hopeful, or uplifting. But all you want to reference is 2 Live Crew shit from 20 years ago.

[riverdeep]

23. take a look at the top ten this week

it's got several rap songs that are heinous

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?f=Hot+Rap+Tracks&g=Singles

[bonito]

19. Me too n/t

[Catherine Vincent]

22. How about this rap?

(Don't Worry) If There's A Hell Below We're All Gonna Go--by Curtis Mayfield

Sisters! Niggers! Whities! Jews! Crackers!
Don't Worry) If There's A Hell Below We're All Gonna Go...
AAAAaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!!!
Sisters, Brothers And The Whities
Blacks And The Crackers
Police And Their Backers
They're All Political Actors

Hurry, People Running From Their Worries
While The Judge And His Juries
Dictate The Law That's Partly Flaw.
Cat Calling Love Balling Fussing And Cussing


Top Billing Now Is Killing
For Peace No One Is Willing
Kind Of Make You Get That Feeling

Everybody Smoke
Use The Pill And The Dope
Educated Fools
From-Uneducated Schools

Pimping People Is The Rule
Polluted Water In The Pool

And Nixon Talking About Don't Worry
He Says Don't Worry
He Says Don't Worry
He Says Don't Worry

But They Don't Know There Can Be No Show
And If There's A Hell Below We're All Gonna Go
Everybody's Praying And Everybody's Saying
But When Come Time To Do
Everybody's Laying

Just Talking About Don't Worry
They Say Don't Worry
They Say Don't Worry
They Say Don't Worry

Sisters, Brothers And The Whitie
Blacks And The Crackers
Stone Stone Junkie
Police And Their Backers
They're All Political Actors

Smoke, The Pill And The Dope,
Educated Fools From Uneducated Schools,
Pimping People Is The Rule
Polluted Water In The Pool

And Everybody's Saying Don't Worry
They Say Don't Worry
They Say Don't Worry
They Say Don't Worry

But They Don't Know
There Can Be No Show
If There's A Hell Below
We're All Gonna Go


Lord What We Gonna Do
If Everything I Say Is True
This Ain't No Way It Ought To Be
1f Only All The Mass Could See

But Everybody Keeps Saying Don't Worry
1970 Curtom Publishing (Bmi)
Original Americsn Recordings By Buddah-Records