Hillary's going to Rutgers to talk to the basketball team

[NightWatcher]

from CNN.
oh my god, this shit has gone way the hell too far.

from her website

When our children are young, we teach them to dream big and reach for the stars, and that if they work hard enough they can accomplish anything.

This year the Rutgers women's basketball team defied the odds and lived up to their dreams, providing inspiration to every little boy and girl beginning to pick up a ball or open a book. These remarkable young women reached the pinnacle of success and won the hearts of basketball fans everywhere with their grace, skill, and poise. They are role models deserving our praise -- and our support.

Don Imus's comments about them were nothing more than small-minded bigotry and coarse sexism. They showed a disregard for basic decency and were disrespectful and degrading to African Americans and women everywhere.

Please join me in sending the young women of Rutgers a message of respect and support. Show them that we are proud to stand with them and for them

[movonne]

1. Who will be next??? Obama??

[geiger]

10. Obama condemned outright and moved on. Mrs. Clinton looks like an opportunist with this

ESp after Imus only got fired by broadcasting stations coz he lost his advertising sponsors. no money, no talkie.

[ejbr]

2. Well, that about covers it!

An opportunist from hell!

[moez]

5. Yep....

Nice of her to be on the cutting edge....

[Fuzz]

3. Ugh, she should stay out of this.

[DURHAM D]

22. Actually, sir, you should stay out of it . n/t

[Fuzz]

77. Ok, I guess I should shut up too, eh?

:shrug:

[BuyingThyme]

4. If true, she is a social moron.

[HereSince1628]

9. I can't spell obortunust. But that may be moran.

:rofl:

[geiger]

11. social misinterpreter, that's easier to spell

[HereSince1628]

12. Now, WHICH character trait of a President is she trying to demonstrate?

Really? Considering all the pain inflicted on millions of people everyday, do we want our next President to visit each victim? That can't work.

So is this good judgement? Does this work for the US, for the victims, or just her campaign?

[Beaverhausen]

45. It isn't true - the headline is totally wrong

that is why there is no link in the OP. This is bullshit.

[BuyingThyme]

83. It is true. The headline is totally right.

http://www.wnbc.com/news/11741860/detail.html?rss=ny&psp=news

The only question left is to whether or not she will meet in person with the players, or if she will only exploit them from, and speak to them from, the podium.

[Beaverhausen]

88. Your reading comprehension is seriously lacking

read the article again, then read the thread subject line. NOT THE SAME.

[BuyingThyme]

90. Yes, it is the same. You just wish it wasn't.

She's using a standing invitation to exploit the players. And, as you know, she will address them in one way or another.

[Beaverhausen]

93. so the team is also "The Eagleton Center for American Women and Politics"

really? OK

[BuyingThyme]

95. So, you don't think she's going to address the team,

personally or otherwise? If she shows, I guarantee you she will.

Stop and think for a moment. This woman has posted a photo of these girls on the front page of her campaign site. Imus exploited them to make money. Hillary is exploiting them raise money and support. It's way wrong.

[Bluebear]

6. It's gone on "too far"? When should it have stopped?

[BeyondGeography]

7. Grandstanding...I hope Obama avoids this

and I trust he will. Wouldn't surprised me if he spoke with them, but he'll do it privately, IMO.

[ronnykmarshall]

43. God I hope he doesn't!

I mean, could everyone's hands be able to handle all the thunderous applause?

[fryguy]

8. what the hell for?

to offer her apologies on behalf of the citizens of the state of new york for imus' remarks.

:crazy:

or could it be a campaign strategy?

:sarcasm:

[saracat]

13. Actually. it is appropriate that as a "woman" who has been subject

to rampant sexism in her career, that Hillary share her experience with the victims of this disgusting commentary. None of the male candidates would be appropriate.This was not just racist but sexist. I am noy t a hugge Hillary fan but this is a good thing. Women need to be inspired and not let themselves be put down.

[BuyingThyme]

15. Young women don't need to be exploited by brain-dead opportunists.

[Hardrada]

80. Exactly! LOL!

[ejbr]

25. If she is concerned

I would hope that she at least offered them an invitation to speak with her, versus just bulldozing her way into things a la Al Sharpton.

[IChing]

14. I just booked a flight myself to talk to them

I just called my neighbors, my friends and sent out e-mails
( which I immediately deleted)
and they all agreed they will all go
at different times to talk to them.

[BuyingThyme]

17. I'm going too. I think they have an obligation to meet with me.

[IChing]

23. I set your appointment right after mine at

3:39 am for Saturday, you have 4 minutes.

[BuyingThyme]

28. Can I bring my own backdrop?

[IChing]

27. I sent you an e-mail be sure to "double delete" it

in is on the gwb43.com server that Hillary is talking about.

[NightWatcher]

16. Notice anything about the picture from Hill's website???

It took me a second to notice it.

[fryguy]

18. that it isn't a picture of the whole team?

i noticed that too

[NightWatcher]

30. it's cropped to not show the white girls

[dogday]

31. Bingo

I noticed right off the bat...

[DURHAM D]

49. And, the three other black players.

Little paranoid there Nightie.

[BuyingThyme]

19. Crop.

[anitar1]

20. Gee, out of the kindness of her heart ? They are no different from the

many daddies of Anna Nicole's baby. All those greedy men wanting money--then all those greedy politicians wanting their mugs on teevee ect. Pretty sickening. I am sick of these people, the same way I am sick of "pretend humans" like Imus.

[DURHAM D]

21. Good for her.

No white male political leader will stand up and call out the sexism. Only black men Sharpton, Jackson and Obama have really addressed the dual issue.

NBC is working really hard to focus the discussion on the racism - and avoid the sexism. Could be because the majority of the U.S. population is female.

Senator Clinton has to step in because the self-satisfied pasty white men who run the national dialog on the tv are avoiding the issue.

Go Hillary !

Note: Add all the sexist males on DU to the problem.

[Leopolds Ghost]

38. If they were white women nothing would have been said about them.

If they were black men something equally disturbing would have been said about them

This tells me the sexism quotient (vs. racism) is very small.

It was a racist remark.

[DURHAM D]

47. Well of course that is how you see it -

your anatomy keeps you from really seeing it.

Don't you want to say to me - "There, there - let me tell you how you feel. It isn't really sexist because I said so."

How dare you.

[Beaverhausen]

50. It was sexist and racist. Hillary AND her daughter have been the victim of sexist remarks

as have most women.

[bellasgrams]

63. I'm white and I asure you I am upset.

People of all races should be outraged at this remark. In fact I think the 2 Revs. should stand down and let parents take over. You don't have to be black to be appalled by this crude remark. More white men should be speaking out. What if was their daughters being called ho's. My daughter received a 4 year scholarship in sports and if this had been her team I would be even more disgusted. By the way she is now a 3rd grade special ed. teacher and has 3 kids of her own. Girls should be encouraged not put down.

[LostinVA]

53. Good post -- and THANK YOU for saying it

[Cameron27]

85. Great post!

Thank you.:thumbsup:

[mmonk]

24. I didn't know she was interested in basketball.

Learn something new every day.

[Catherine Vincent]

26. link please...

[NightWatcher]

39. here's one from her site

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/action/respect/?sc=8

She will be giving a speech there on Monday.

[Beaverhausen]

Where does it say she is going there?

[Madspirit]

29. Good for Hillary! n/t

[LostinVA]

79. Agreed! n/t

[AuntPatsy]

32. Shes a victim as well of such slander, why shouldn't she go.

If anyone can relate she can, look at the filth directed at her then teenage daughter from such pathetic individuals....why is it that no matter what some dems do they cannot win, look at the hits towards Obama as well, kerry etc....

Some people need to understand what this forum is, its the "democratic underground" not the opposite republi one.

[Beaverhausen]

34. Exactly- I was thinking all week about what Rush said about Chelsea

And what they all say about Hillary.

[blm]

40. That would be fine if she hadn't also joined the wingnuts when they attacked Kerry

and accused him of insulting the troops when everyone, especially a Dem senator, knows there isn't a lawmaker in DC who has supported troops and veterans more meaningfully than John Kerry has over his entire career.

But Hillary stood with Bush and McCain against Kerry and the truth. THAT was low, opportunistic, and sleazy.

[LostinVA]

56. Excellent post -- and spot on

[David Zephyr]

33. And after that, she will meet with Larry Birkhead & Baby Dannielynn

Talk about ambulance chasing. Jeez.

No wonder 51% of Americans despise her.

[dogday]

35. bwahahahahahahaha

:rofl:

[AuntPatsy]

41. Are you so sure of that percentage of people hating her? Obviously

some fall hook line and sinker for thought process being dealt out on a daily basis via live media etc that someone should be hated, bottom line, if she gets the nomination she gets my vote, we all need to deal with that and if you like another candidate by all means work for thier campaign but in the end, learn to stand behind the winner, this country needs change and like it or not, Hillary though some view her as DLC represents a change.

[David Zephyr]

97. Sadly, it's the truth. Poll after poll has her negatives too high...

There's never been a candidate with her negative approval numbers elected. She may be the first, but there's a lot more at stake to risk it all when we can do better.

As I've posted here too many times already, Hillary gets my vote, but only if she is the nominee and then I'm afraid we will go down for still another four years.

[sandnsea]

36. Good - and I hate Hillary

He was horrible to her as well. And if she orchestrated this, well good for her. Maybe she can get rid of the rest of the haters too.

[AuntPatsy]

44. A breath of fresh air considering the majority is acting very strangely

on this board lately by not using such common sense. So thank you.

[sandnsea]

51. I am stunned

disillusioned and very angry. Cannot believe what I'm seeing.

[AuntPatsy]

75. Neither can I.

[Cameron27]

87. I'll ditto that "neither can I."

[Warren DeMontague]

37. Think there's room there to also squeeze in Joe Biden's massive, overinflated head & ego?

Anyway, if Hillary wants to take a brave stand on something, she should start with Iraq.

[Beaverhausen]

42. It doesn't say that she is 'going' there - we can send them a message of support

from her website.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/action/respect/?sc=8

Why the Hillary hating is so over the top here I will never understand.

[ronnykmarshall]

46. Because it's Thursday.

Thursday is "Over the top Hillary hating" day.

Wednesday is "Knee jerk Hillary hating" day.

[LostinVA]

59. giggle

But, unfortunately, correct.

[Beausoir]

52. It does NOT say she is going there. Just a measure of support.

Let's learn to READ, people.

[NightWatcher]

55. I'm trying to find the news article

MSNBC and CNN both said that she is going to speak there.
Give me one second to prove this before jumping down my throat as a Hillary hater
OK

[Beaverhausen]

60. Oh yeah- start a flame baiting thread about her THEN try to prove it

Ok, whatever dude. :eyes:

[Beausoir]

61. Methinks you doth protest too much. I did not call you nor anyone a "Hillary Hater."

What a strange reaction to my post.

[Beaverhausen]

73. the link to the truth is in Post #64. She is NOT going to meet the team

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[Beaverhausen]

62. The "sexist" part of Imus' remark has been lost to almost everyone

most people are focusing only on the racist aspect of it. The remark was BOTH sexist and racist, and Hillary more than any other candidate can surely empathize with this kind of treatment.

Some men JUST DON'T GET IT. :banghead:

[sandnsea]

65. Not to the Rutgers coach

They seemed to me to be at least as offended by "ho" as "nappy headed".

[DURHAM D]

67. Amen. The not getting it is by design.

I am way more upset by the deliberate re-focusing away from the sexist issues by the media than I am about what Imus actually did.

The whole debate has been framed by white men. Who would of thunk it in the 21st century.

[LostinVA]

81. Not me -- I've been saying that since Day One

[LostinVA]

58. I can't understand it either, Beaverhausen

She's more progressive than some other MALE candidates who are praised on DU. She isn't my first pick for President, but I'll certainly vote for her if she runs. And, she doesn't deserve the borderline obsessive and often kneejerk HATRED on DU.

[Colobo]

48. Oportunism at its best.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

57. Good Lord.

There

Is

A

Fucking

War

On.

(Edit: My last & only comment on this stupid fucking Imus episode.)

[ElizabethDC]

64. She ISN'T going there to speak to the basketball team

she's going to speak at the Eagle Institute of Politics at Rutgers, as part of a 50th anniversary lecture series, and is addressing the theme "Because Politics Matters: Women and Public Leadership."

Link: http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dc/2007/04/hillary_is_heading_to_rutgers.html

Perhaps she'll meet with the team while she's there, but that doesn't sound like the purpose of her visit.

[Beaverhausen]

66. thank you for posting the true story

:hi:

[ElizabethDC]

68. No problem! n/t

[Beausoir]

70. Well imagine that....some actual facts.

Thanks.

[BuyingThyme]

84. She's going ONLY because of this issue.

[Beaverhausen]

89. Well, sexism and racism are important issues to some of us

and if she wants to go speak to those issues, I applaud her.

[BuyingThyme]

91. The only thing she wants is to be elected.

That's what's important to her.

[Beaverhausen]

94. Let me guess - you are a male? correct?

[BuyingThyme]

96. Why? Do you believe that only males protect women

from exploitation at the hands of people like Hillary? Or do yo believe that only females support such insanity?

[Forkboy]

69. My cynicism would make me suspect her motivation,if she were going,which your OP doesn't even say

But if she does go I'll give her the benefit of the doubt this time.She's certainly been on the receiving end of true hate often enough from radio and television "personalities" that I think (hope) she could add something important to the conversation from her own angle.

I do think if she,or anyone,went it would be wise to do so in the most low key manner as possible (asking a lot these days,I know).

[Geek_Girl]

71. Good for her

I'm glad Senator Clinton is going to meet with the team and show her support. Why is that a bad thing?

:shrug:

[Madspirit]

72. What a Backassward

What a backassward way to diss Hillary. She has been the victim of hate speech many times.
Lee

[Dora]

74. Remember Poppy Bush's visit to see Baby Jessica in the well?

LET THE CAMPAIGN BEGIN!!

[AuntPatsy]

76. For once I don't see this as nothing more than poltical grandstanding...

I'm sorry but Sen Clinton is human after all though many of us question if most politicians can lay claim to it, she can and I have no doubt have feelings for what those poor girls have gone through.

[Dora]

98. I think it has grandstanding written all over it.

Rutgers is in New Jersey. Her constituents live in New York. Many of us are appalled by Imus's remarks, and sympathize with the team.

Our opinions differ.

[ElizabethDC]

99. I don't think it's grandstanding, I think it's campaigning

in this instance, it doesn't matter where her constituents are . . . she's running for President of the United States (and New Jersey, I believe, is part of the United States). She was in NJ campaigning just a couple of weeks ago (and picking up Corzine's endorsement). It's not at all unusual for candidates (or even non-candidates) to speak at universities, regardless of where they are . . . Schwarzenegger spoke at my university just yesterday, and I don't think he's running for anything out here in DC.

[Connie_Corleone]

78. self delete

[LostinVA]

82. She isn't going to Rutgers for that purpose

[Nimrod2005]

86. YUK.....!

[LibraLiz1973]

92. Oh for f*cks sake

:puke:

[TheFarseer]

100. It's sickening how people "have" to act outraged

Stay out of it Hillary, he didn't say anything about you. It pisses me off how people have to run around and act outraged. He screwed up. He said he was sorry. He doesn't have any personal grudge against the Rutgers basketball team or black people. It was just an offhand comment where he was trying to sound young and hip. It's freaking ridiculous that he lost his job. Was it wrong for him to have said it? Sure. Is it wrong for people to pile on him til he loses his job? Absolutely. This is the kind of thing that makes Democrats look silly and petty to some people.

[Raine]

101. Shameless Opportunist

Hillary makes me sick. x(

[BlueIris]

102. Alright, she's not my favorite person anymore, but: good.

No, seriously, I think it's good that she's doing that. I feel so terrible for those women. It might be nice for them to get a visit from a woman who has been subjected to similarly degrading slander in the media. I hope many other prominent female professionals will continue to visit them to offer support.

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