I fucking love howard dean. he really knows how to communicate.

[cali]

he cuts through all the confusion so damned clearly.

The presentations of Moran and Dean were a study in contrasts. Moran really didn't know how to deal with the crowd or questions. The clearest evidence of that was that after fuckwad Randall Terry started screaming baby killer at dean, moran offered him the first question and 5 minutes to say whatever he wanted. What the fuck? Rewarding that kind of awful behavior is just nuts. In addition, Moran just didn't engage well with questioners from either side. Dean on the other hand, really engaged in a no bullshit and fearless way even in a venue with a lot of people who hate him to the point of insanity.

[NC_Nurse]

1. No question. He is amazing. I can't believe they let that crazy nutball talk. Ugh!

He is just into his own bullshit drama. What a crazy jerk.

[BeyondGeography]

2. We need 300 or so like him in Congress

Wouldn't that be grand? Moran was baffled by how quickly and clearly he explained the different paths that Europe and America have taken on health care. Love how he slipped in the fact that conservative folk hero Winston Churchill started the NHS.

[cali]

3. yeah, that was an amazing moment. he educated a lot of people

without excess verbiage or condescension.

[PassingFair]

20. It's EASY when you just tell the truth.

It actually HURTS that he is not
part of our administration.

[corpseratemedia]

4. he was great

He'd have made a great President if the media hadn't swift-boated him with the exaggerated scream.

Some of those deathers in the audience...they remind me of the zombies in Night of The Living Dead. Except the zombies in the movie were more intelligent. I'm glad at least a couple questioners from the "against" side wanted to ask legitimate questions and point out that they are not with The Zombie Idiots.

[pearl]

5. You are so right

I fucking love Howard Dean. Wow! You know I said in an earlier thread. When is the last time you had Americans engaged like this in August?(other than an election year) The pundits like to claim, "The country isn't paying attention in August." That's George W's wet dream, Taking off the fucking whole month of August. Love my Howard Dean though. Cheers

[madokie]

6. The doctor was my first choice back in '04

He had the bush/cheney cabal really worried too best I remember.

[pearl]

7. Me too

Sometime during the primary season I got to attend/volunteer at a fundraiser in boystown Chicago. Got to hear him speak. But that was also the year I got to vote for Obama in the Il Senate Primary.
Yes I voted for Obama. Love them both.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

9. Me, too.

Still remember the first time I ever saw him -- it was on Meet the Press (January 2004?) as he stated "petulance is not a foreign policy" and I've been a supporter ever since.

[Lorax7844]

32. Me too

[mzmolly]

39. Mine as well.

:hi:

[XemaSab]

42. Me too

:)

[DFW]

8. Howard is their worst nightmare

A true progressive who knows his stuff, stands his ground, and says what he thinks.

Common sense scares the screaming right worse than if they were to wake up next to Osama bin Laden in a turban and dirty pajamas.

[elleng]

12. Seems to scare others as well!

like rahm etc etc etc.

[DFW]

17. Howard had been on Rahm's shitlist for years now

Ever since the famous screaming match in 2006, where Rahm failed to persuade Howard to abandon his
then-radical 50 State Strategy, Rahm has had it in for Howard. When Howard was proved correct with
the 50 State Strategy, and Rahm was wrong, Rahm must have had steam coming out of his ears. It
worked even better in 2008, and I'm sure that Rahm did his level best to make sure Howard was never
a part of the Obama administration as long as he was.

That begs the question: just how long will that be?

Maybe not as long as Rahm thinks it was supposed to be. At least, many of us hope so.

Rahm was brought in because he was thought to be able to run a tight ship. Howard was governor of a
State, even if it was a small state. He knows how to do that, too. I'm sure he would step on just as
many toes as Rahm has. The difference? He would step on Republican toes. He would step on Big Oil, Big
Logging, Big Pharmacy and Big Insurance toes. The only Democratic toes Howard would step on would be the
toes of the likes of Ben Nelson, Max Baucus, Steny Hoyer, and the rest of the Heel-Dragging Wing of the
Democratic Party.

[elleng]

22. Unfortunately Dr. Dean has been on lots of Dems'

shit lists, so much so that I doubt the 'reliability' of lots of Dems.

[DFW]

23. Don't be too sure

It's at least an even bet that a LOT of Dems are tickled pink that Howard is out there, taking
heat for saying what they think but don't dare say themselves, for fear of making themselves
vulnerable to right wing attacks, especially in the case of those up for re-election next fall.

Now, all they have to do is make that one vote on the floor, and say, "as for that really
progressive stuff, that was Howard Dean, not me, and he isn't even in the administration."

No, he's not. As usual, he's out there representing the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party.

[elleng]

24. Yes he does,

but I'm afraid that most 'professional' dems DON'T.

[EFerrari]

28. Somehow, I don't see Howard cussing out the Dem base every week

and if the first six months are any indication, Rahm is rowing in a sieve.

We'll see.

[madfloridian]

29. Oh, yeh, DFW....exactly right.

Dean would be stepping on the right toes.

:applause:

[sendero]

31. Yeah...

.... and Rahm is in the Obama administration and Dean is not.

Dean talks circles around the repugs and every other Dem on the subject. We can only hope he gets to keep talking.

[Skip Intro]

10. Don't flame me, but I found myself wondering where things would be on HCR had he run/won in 08.

PR (political reality) wise, the nuts on the right got a quick upper hand on the issue. To be fair, they were going to attack full-out regardless, because they throw childish tantrums when they don't get their way, their effn repukes. We should have been ready for it. But still, listening to Dean tonight, it surely crossed my mind to wonder if we'd be closer to actually achieving health care for all had he run, and won, in 07/08.

[cali]

11. All I know is he's much, much better at talking about health care reform

than Obama. Sure, part of it is his medical background, and the fact that he was passionate about it before Obama ever even entered politics. But part of it is just he has the right style for the issue.

[Skip Intro]

26. Maybe he was before his time, politically, just by a hair? nty

[Sebastian Doyle]

43. Think where we would be right now if the DLC hadn't sabotaged him in 2004

Healthcare would have been a done deal by now. Iraq would have been history long ago, and probably Afghanistan as well. And the economy would have never tanked to the extent it did. It was already damaged after one term of the Chimp, but would have recovered from that by now.

[msongs]

13. he's certainly NOT barack Obama is he? nt

[cali]

14. he's quite different from Obama, that's true.

[JaneQPublic]

15. It pisses me off the teabaggers have stolen his old stump speech slogan...

"I want my country back."

But as an old Deaniac from way back, I agree that he is the best speaker on health care reform that there is.

[Jennicut]

16. Saw him on C-Span tonight and he was great.

He is the best speaker on health care reform out there.

[goclark]

30. I totally agree ~ love him and the "Scream Mess" was a Rove Trick

IMO --- it was cruel!

[EFerrari]

18. K&R for Howard

[bridgit]

19. Yup, I like Howard too

:kick:

[dccrossman]

21. K&R

:kick:

[spin]

25. He would have made a great President. (n/t)

[boppers]

27. A kick for the Orange hats.

And a YEEEHAAAW for taking back the Whitehouse. Obama couldn't have done it without Dean leading the way to a new, 50-state, energized, party.

[XemaSab]

44. The orange hats!

[boppers]

45. Nice hat! eom

[bklyncowgirl]

33. Democrats should hire him to teach other Democrats how to speak.

Short, clear and concise but accurate.

The difference between him and Moran is remarkable. The Congressman was easily thrown off his game.

[cali]

34. it was hard to watch Moran so rattled. Dean oth, relished the opportunity

to do battle.

[Obamanaut]

35. Communication without using 'fuck', 'fuckwad', etc. It is nicer. nt

[cali]

37. oh, please. I like to swear. I'm not a politician. I don't share your prissiness

and just what do you think of Howard Dean? I'm curious.

[Klukie]

36. I couldn't agree more....

the man has skills. I often wonder if he is exactly where he is supposed to be when it comes to the health care debate? He would be restricted if he had a government position.

[mzmolly]

38. Shit, what did I miss?

:cry:

[musiclawyer]

40. I love Howard Dean

He's the real alpha male. That's why Rahm hates him. Dean will come out on top in the end.

[LaPera]

41. I love Howard Dean!!