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nosmokes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:40 PM
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We're All Monsanto's Guinea Pigs Now
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Monsanto's plans for Kunia pose risk for other crops
GATHERING PLACE
Paul H. Achitoff

MONSANTO just announced its purchase of thousands of acres in Central Oahu to test genetically modified (GM) crops, and protests of the Legislature's refusal to hear bills prohibiting genetic engineering of taro and coffee have been in the news. The newspapers publish a steady stream of letters from industry employees suggesting that anyone unwilling to give the industry free reign is an ignorant fear-monger mindlessly opposed to everything "biotech," from aspirin to stem-cell research. Time for a reality check. Here are some facts -- you decide.

In the past six months, three federal courts have ruled that the USDA broke environmental laws when allowing Monsanto and others to grow GM crops that could contaminate other crops or harm the environment, including corn and sugar cane engineered to produce powerful drugs in their cells. Hawaii's Judge J. Michael Seabright found USDA acted in "utter disregard" of the law.

During the past year, the U.S. long-grain rice crop was discovered contaminated by GM varieties not approved for human consumption, resulting in rice import bans by Japan, rejection of contaminated shipments by the European Union, and lawsuits to recover huge losses to rice farmers. The California Rice Commission has called for a moratorium on planting GM rice in California. Thousands of farmers in the United States and Canada have been investigated and/or sued by Monsanto for saving seeds with patented GMO traits. Farmers have paid huge fines even when their crops were inadvertently contaminated with Monsanto's traits. On the other hand, Monsanto refuses to take any responsibility for contamination of others' crops.

Consumers want as much organic produce as they can get; it's the fastest-growing agricultural segment. But since the genetically engineered papaya was introduced, to the hosannas of the Hawaii Farm Bureau, it has become virtually impossible to grow organic papaya reliably in most parts of Hawaii; the GM trees cross-pollinate other trees, and GM seeds are spread everywhere by birds and people. Even UH's papaya seed stock is contaminated. GM papayas receive much lower prices than conventional or organic papaya, and the export markets to Japan and Korea, where consumers refuse to buy GM fruit, have been seriously damaged. Should Kona coffee farmers assume they have nothing to worry about from GM coffee field testing?
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:41 PM
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1. as long as they provide high quality cedar chips and clean my cage
every week...I should be happy right?

;-)

just kidding...
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:43 PM
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4. Jeez, low standards. I at least demand 15 minutes on my wheel per day.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:51 PM
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6. well I figured that would be part of the plan....I guess I gotta read my contract
I also want high quality seeds and some of those tasty yogurt drops...
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 03:06 PM
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7. Where's my ball....
where's my ball....
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 03:24 PM
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8. oh so you got a ball....I am calling my union steward...
enough is enough....

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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 04:06 PM
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18. It was...
Edited on Thu Apr-12-07 04:06 PM by AnneD
in my contract. It's the shredded paper over there. It's got a few spots on it but you can still read it.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:42 PM
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2. I'll say it again.
Biggest.Criminal.Corporation.Ever :mad:
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:43 PM
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3. We need to find a way to RICO some of these companies.
Monsanto, Halliburton, and ExxonMobil would be my top three pics to do so.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:45 PM
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5. Discover magazine had a little blurb many years ago
that GM corn had been found cross bred with corn in southern Mexico, a thousand miles from the closest known GM plantings. It's all global folks. And yep that means even the most stringently organic may be contaminated.
Of course if the bees die then pollinating won't happen and may stop the contamination (food also, but that's another story)
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 03:30 PM
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9. The problem facing the organic papaya growers...
Isn't GM papayas...

It's the papaya ringspot virus.



Guess which one's GM.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 03:33 PM
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10. the ones without enough leaves but laden with fruit?
just a guess...

am I right?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 03:37 PM
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11. Yup. The ones that aren't dead and dying.
Hawai'i got hit with the ringspot virus back in the early nineties. If it hadn't been for good scientists at Cornell and U. of Hawai'i their whole industry would have collapsed.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 03:40 PM
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13. they wouldn't be dead/dying if they were interplanted with other crops. Now Hawaii has blackspot
Edited on Thu Apr-12-07 03:42 PM by cryingshame
thanks to Monsato and corporate insistance on monoculture method of growing crops.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 03:42 PM
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15. No, they'd still have died.
The "other crops" would still be alive, but that wouldn't help the papaya industry.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 03:43 PM
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16. you are wrong. Interplanting helps prevent fungus from spreading. I am a gardener
I KNOW what I'm talking about.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 05:20 PM
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20. Too bad the ringspot virus happens to be a virus, not a fungus.
How do you think it got to Hawai'i in the first place? A giant monoculture of papaya trees spread across the atlantic?

If a couple of rows of sugarcane is supposed to prevent the spread of a virus, wouldn't that stop cross-pollination too? How is it supposed to work? Some sort of witchcraft?

"I am a gardener. I KNOW what I'm talking about."

I don't see any reason here to insult gardeners.
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piedmont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 11:30 AM
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22. Spread by aphids, actually
You can control the virus' spread by reducing the population of the aphid or by increasing the distance from healthy plants to diseased plants (mostly done by eliminating diseased plants). Interestingly, the amount of inoculum transmitted decreases each time the aphid feeds on a non-infected plant, so interplanting the papayas with other species that the aphids like better and that don't get infected is an effective method of control.
Inserting resistence genes into the papaya genome may be effective, but introduces the problems of patent infringement by cross-pollination and also possibly reducing the cultivar diversity of papaya.


Here's a good site for more info: http://www.extento.hawaii.edu/kbase/Crop/Type/papring.htm
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piedmont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 09:28 PM
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23. kick
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 03:38 PM
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12. Ringspot virus is a problem w/ corporate monoculture. Organic methods solve the problem handily.
Edited on Thu Apr-12-07 03:39 PM by cryingshame
As with most issues Monsato claims to have the "answer" for. Organic methods work, put they don't generate money for Monsato.

from Greenpeace:

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"Papaya grown on monoculture plantations, as is the practice on the island of Hawaii, the United States' 50th State, suffer from ringspot virus. Plant diseases and pests flourish in these unnatural, intensive plantations.


Thai farmers traditionally combat ringspot by growing papaya with other crops. The insects that transmit the virus are controlled with environmentally friendly techniques. GE papaya is, therefore, an unnecessary solution to a problem that can be controlled naturally. Rather than advocating a change in farming practices to deal with the virus, scientists decided that playing with nature was the better option.

A science based on luck

They decided to make the plant resistant to the virus by adding a gene from the virus to the papaya cell, along with other virus and antibiotic resistance genes. In tampering with evolution, you might expect that at least the scientists know what they are doing. But apparently they have no idea how the virus gene actual makes the papaya resistant to the virus. Not only this, but the scientists have also said that they could not control which type of papaya to make into GE papaya because it's a random process, based on luck.

Lucky for whom?


Abandoned GE papaya plantation
Five years after the GE papaya strain 'Sun Up' was approved in Hawaii, scientists have discovered that it is actually more susceptible to other plant diseases such as 'blackspot' fungus. Now the blackspot fungus is spreading among GE papaya in Hawaii. So the scientists' luck in getting Sun Up to become GE is bad luck for farmers who now have a new disease problem. Farmers who grow GE papaya must spray toxic chemical fungicides on their papaya every 10 days.

Spreading the seeds of disaster to Thailand

The Thai authorities, along with those backing GE papaya (like Monsanto, which holds several GMO papaya patents), are rushing through the GE papaya's introduction in Thailand without adequate testing. Are they rushing because GE papaya is so beneficial? Not according to the farmers who have been growing it in Hawaii.

No market for GE papaya

Hawaiian farmer Melanie Bondera (2nd right) tells Thai farmers about economic and environmental losses resulting from GE papaya planting.
"When GMO papaya was introduced 5 years ago they claimed it was a 'solution' to the papaya ringspot virus problem. But instead it has caused serious environmental and economic problems for farmers," said Melanie Bondera, a sustainable agriculture farmer and member of the Hawaii Genetic Engineering Action Network (HIGEAN) on Big Island, Hawaii.
When they started growing GE papaya, Hawaiian farmers lost their biggest export markets, with devastating results. The selling price of GMO papaya fell to 30-40 percent below production costs, and the price that farmers now get for their GMO papaya is 600 percent lower than the price for organic papaya.

Corporate control of the food chain

The patent holders "act like God - they have way too much power over nature", said Mike, a farmer sued for unwittingly growing GE papaya without an official agreement.

Farmers growing GE papaya must follow the rules of those who hold the patents to the GE papaya - in Thailand that's transnational corporations and overseas universities. And there are up to 20 US and international patents that could be applied to GE papaya in Thailand, including patents held by the GE giant, Monsanto.

What this means in practice is that seeds cannot be saved or exchanged and farmers can be sued if their crops become contaminated by GE papaya.


John Caverly a Hawaiian organic former forced to cut down all his papaya after it became contaminated with GE papaya.
In Hawaii, many organic farmers' papaya trees were contaminated by GE - by pollen from neighbouring GE papaya trees, or when GE papaya seeds got mixed in with organic seeds. They were forced to destroy all their papaya trees.
"These guys own the wind", said one farmer commenting on the corporate interests behind GE papaya and its contamination of conventional and organic papaya.

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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 03:41 PM
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14. Those pesky corporations.
You knew how John Caverly figured out which of his trees ended up getting cross pollinated?

The ones that didn't die from the virus, those were the ones that were cross pollinated.
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piedmont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 05:27 PM
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21. Uh, that's impossible
If they were the offspring of plants cross pollinated with GE plants, then they might have resistance. But the plants that were pollinated would not.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 03:48 PM
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17. yes I really want to get my scientific knowledge
from someone who recently "claimed" that soldiers were dying from an "experimental malaria vaccine". Which was the biggest piece of bs I ever saw considering malaria vaccines are no where near ready for use outside of a few closely monitored clinical trials in Africa.
I won't respond to your idiocy but I thought people should be reminded about you.:mad:
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 04:15 PM
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19. You have some fucking nerve. Here's from CNN about Lariam. I NEVER said it killed anyone.
The soldiers in question, in the report I heard either on CNN or NPR mentioned the soldiers coming home and getting violent were special forces who'd had Lariam.

But don't bother to apologise.

Military's use of malaria drug in question
Pentagon studies Lariam's side effects after soldiers' suicides

From Maria Fleet and Jonathan Mann CNN
Thursday, May 20, 2004 Posted: 10:55 PM EDT (0255 GMT)

U.S. troops have been issued the anti-malaria drug Lariam, which can have severe side effects.

(CNN) -- U.S. Army Chief Warrant Officer Bill Howell began taking Lariam before going to Iraq in 2003. In March, three weeks after returning home, Howell fatally shot himself in his front yard.

Sgt. 1st Class Rigoberto Nieves also took the anti-malarial medication during his tour of duty in Afghanistan in 2002. Two days after coming home, he killed his wife and himself.

Although grieving families and some experts suspect a link between Lariam and the deaths, the Pentagon said it isn't sure. And until its conclusion of a study into the matter, the Defense Department said it intends to hand out the drug to U.S. military service personnel in some regions where malaria is a threat.

"The combination of the anecdotal reports and the perceptions have led me to conclude that we need to perform a study to ... see if there are the adverse outcomes that some believe there might be," said Dr. William Winkenwerder, assistant secretary of defense for health affairs.

There is no timeline for the probe, Winkenwerder said, but he has requested its completion as soon as possible.

"To take a proven effective drug out of the armamentarium to protect our soldiers is not something that we have the scientific basis to do at this time," he said.

Concern prompts FDA move

Since the Food and Drug Administration approved Lariam in 1989, more than 20 million people have received it, according to its maker, Roche Pharmaceuticals.

Roche warns that in rare cases Lariam can trigger nausea, sleep disorders, nightmares or thoughts of suicide. "Some patients taking Lariam think about killing themselves, and there have been rare reports of suicides," says company literature on the drug. "We do not know if Lariam was responsible for these suicides."

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention warns of possible "visual disturbances" associated with Lariam, also known by its generic name, mefloquine. "Mefloquine has rarely been reported to cause serious side effects, such as seizures, depression and psychosis," the CDC's Web site says.

In July 2003, concern about the drug prompted the FDA to make a rare move. The agency called on Roche to craft a medication guide -- a warning written in laymen's terms -- that must be placed in the hands of each Lariam user.

The guide warns of "certain psychiatric adverse events -- anxiety, depression, restlessness or confusion" associated with the drug and advises "to contact a physician if such ailments present themselves." The special medication guide was not required by the FDA before the war in Iraq.

Based on UPI investigative reporter Mark Benjamin's interviews with 50 to 100 U.S soldiers, troops were routinely given Lariam without any information, written or verbal, about the drug's possible side effects.

Lariam is one of the most powerful drugs available to fight forms of a parasite resistant to one of the most commonly used anti-malarial drugs -- chloroquine.

Malaria kills an estimated 1 million people each year, according to the CDC.

Caused by a parasite passed from mosquitoes to humans, malaria occurs in mostly tropical and subtropical regions. Malaria carriers can suffer recurrent attacks of chills and fever and sometimes die.

Some U.S. troops were given Lariam while serving in Iraq and Kuwait until the military learned through its testing that drug-resistant forms are not a threat in those countries. It continues to be among the drugs the Pentagon uses to combat chloroquine-resistant malaria in Afghanistan.

The CDC does not list either Iraq or Kuwait as posing a risk of chloroquine-resistant malaria -- information that was available before the Iraq war began.

Cluster of killings

On March 14, Howell's wife, Laura, called Colorado's El Paso County 911 to report that her husband had hit her and had gone downstairs to get his gun.

A few minutes after the phone call, Howell, who had been taking Lariam while deployed with Special Forces in Iraq, walked out to his front yard and committed suicide. Laura Howell said she didn't know what drove her husband to take his life but she suspects Lariam.

During the summer of 2002, four soldiers at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, killed their wives -- and three of them killed themselves. Three of the four men had been taking Lariam before their suicides, according to Benjamin, who has done an extensive investigation into the drug and its use in military and civilian settings.

Benjamin interviewed family members and colleagues of the soldiers after the cluster of killings among the elite troops who used Lariam drew his attention.

Nieves fatally shot himself and his wife two days after returning from Afghanistan in June 2002, according to the Army.

Another of the Fort Bragg soldiers who took Lariam, Master Sgt. William Wright, confessed to strangling his wife a month after his return from Afghanistan. He later hanged himself while awaiting trial in jail, according to police.

Fellow soldiers who served with Sgt. 1st Class Brandon Floyd said he also was taking Lariam before he killed his wife and himself, although the Army said it could not confirm that he was taking the drug.

A fourth soldier, Sgt. Cedric Griffin, stabbed his estranged wife and set her body on fire, according to police. Griffin was the only soldier of the four who did not kill himself. Because he had not served in Afghanistan or Iraq, Griffin likely was not taking Lariam, according to Benjamin.

An Army investigation into the Fort Bragg killings also included a fifth soldier, who police say was killed by his wife. She's awaiting trial on murder charges.

The Army probe found that Lariam was not the cause of the Fort Bragg deaths -- a conclusion public health specialist Sue Rose disputes. Rose, who is working to raise consumer awareness about Lariam, said the Army erred in its investigation by including those who did not take the medication.

"The military is drawing the wrong conclusion from those deaths," Rose said. "The true cluster, the true group you want to look at are those men who took Lariam, and of the men who took Lariam, who all served in Afghanistan, all three of them killed their wives and subsequently committed suicide."

Rose said data from a recent study suggests that Lariam users experience significantly more moderate and severe neuropsychiatric side effects than users of three other comparable anti-malarial drugs.

Rose -- an assistant adjunct professor in the George Washington University School of Public Health and Health Services -- said she has been investigating Lariam since the early 1990s. She also has a law degree from the University of California, Hastings College of the Law. Rose has not performed an independent investigation into the killings at Fort Bragg.

Roche points out that the authors of the study cited by Rose also reported that "tolerability of the four ... currently recommended anti-malarial drugs ... is high, with no serious or adverse events and good quality of life reported."

CNN's Thom Patterson contributed to this report.
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