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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:29 PM
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So I got a Facebook page (long)
Edited on Mon Aug-24-09 01:30 PM by GoddessOfGuinness
because I received a MoveOn letter requesting that people make their opinions on public healthcare option known to Hoyer on his page.

One thing led to another, and I started taking polls and responding to them. Well, a friend of mine was taken aback by my responses, and sent an email to me which included this:

I also realized that facebook could be another mechanism for reaching people about my paintings and of directing them to my blog where I write about art rather extensively.

So, I’m sorry but I’m deleting the link to your facebook page from mine. I have too many friends and relatives who supported President Bush and who are Christians (as am I) and I would be horrified to have my family encountering all this political anger. Got to say that I was surprised myself to find you expressing such adamantine views in such a public forum. I wouldn’t post anything on the internet that I wouldn’t as gladly have affixed to my resume.

In my writing about art, I am trying to reach out to a very broad audience of people that I must naturally assume believe many different things. Since art is my topic, I leave them all to enjoy their other ideas in perfect peace. And in so doing, I think I tacitly respect the diversity that I know is out there. My own personal philosophy, perhaps like theirs, consists of many strands – having sources in innumerable books, experiences and conversations. I doubt that anyone on the planet sees the political landscape in exactly the same way I do. Were I trying to reach people with my art who are somehow exactly like me, I’d be writing to maybe two or three people. And what would be the point of that?

Art is something that can reach millions of people. Republicans, Democrats, and all the other political groups of whatever stripe, have common ground in things like art, music and literature. Anyone can enjoy a vase of flowers, the intricate melodies of J.S. Bach, the exotic stories of Mario Vargas Llosa. So, me, I don’t express any political views at all in my art writing. It is none of my concern nor any of my business who my readers voted for or what kind of government they desire. In any case, the election of any American president lasts eight years at most. In contrast, art can change people generation after generation by speaking to their deepest longings as human beings.

So, I deleted the link. I’m very sorry to have to do so. And while it’s unlikely that my dear elderly aunt would find my facebook page, I would be horrified if she did -- to think of her reading your comment about Bush’s illegitimate presidency, when she was his ardent supporter and is now a very dedicated supporter of Governor Palin. My aunt is one of the kindest, most selfless people I have ever known, having opened her home to I don’t know how many strangers because she felt that God called her to share her roof, through the agency of her church, with numerous strangers who needed temporary lodging.

I also think it’s an awful shame, (GoddessOfGuinness). You know so much about music in general and the violin in particular. Through facebook you can meet countless fellow musicians. It would be a pity to reduce friendship to political tags and miss the experiences of knowing other talented people simply because they voted differently.

The photo you used, too, I must say is so incredibly lovely. Have you any idea how beautiful you look in that photo? It’s rather the opposite of the comments. I look at that picture and feel like I can almost hear the music.

Hope your family is well. It’s hard to believe that so many years have passed since our kids were kindergarteners.

You should check out (jazz violinist on youtube). There’s a growing body of work on the internet now for her – especially, of course, on youtube. You more than I can understand the beauty of her virtuosity. (link to violinist's video)

Best wishes,


Then she sent another email with a "better link" to this musician she wants me to hear. So I'm baffled. I'm under the impression that she wants to remain friends as long as I don't express my "nasty" political beliefs.

I wrote the following, but have not yet sent it, as I want to be sure I'm clear-minded when I respond:

Dear ______,

So sorry that you took personal offense at my political opinions. After eight years of enduring rule by a man and a party who expressed contempt and total disregard for the values of my party as well as myself, a man who was placed in office as a result of a Supreme Court decision rather than an election, and whose party played such a pivotal role in the financial debacle we now face, not to mention the deaths of thousands of innocent people, I suppose I do sound a little bitter.

There was a time when I felt, as you seem to, that it's best to keep silent about such matters, so as not to offend anyone, and have a constant circle of people who approve of me and like what I do. It's a very safe position to take, and probably helps a musician find more employment, to be sure. But I can't stand by and watch people scoff at the global warming which is destroying our environment, and listen to them speak hatefully of people of different religions, sexual orientations, and cultural backgrounds.

My music is for everyone. It doesn't mean I'm not entitled to voice my opinions like everybody else. I'm sorry if your aunt, whom I'm sure is a well-intentioned soul, would be horrified that someone else might have a different opinion of her political idols, and that you might be as accepting of that person's views as you are of anyone else's. I feel that isn't my problem; but I respect your desire to shield her from such a frightening prospect. I will not, however eliminate your link. I feel diverse opinions require expression, and welcome any intelligent discourse, though I am admittedly impatient with those who are not prepared to offer facts to support their positions. It's a shame you don't feel the same way.

You would do well to consider that Shostakovich, Picasso, Dickens, Alcott, Robeson, Ibsen, Guthrie, Stowe, and countless other artists of various media have used their art to express their socio-political views. Art is not always about painting a pretty picture or giving people a pleasant tune. Art must be free to convey the gamut of emotions, including the ones that make us uncomfortable.

I only joined facebook to post on my representative's page about the need for a public healthcare option, which ultimately would help reduce the population of homeless shelters...at least for those who lose everything as a result of hospitalization and inadequate or nonexistent insurance. I hadn't really thought of using it for career purposes.

I wish you well in your endeavors, and hope that one day you will include people with different political and religious views into your circle of friends without fear. The door is always open.

Until then, peace,



So tell me, do you believe this is too reactionary a response?
Your replies are greatly appreciated, as is your patience in reading this through. :-)
(I posted this in the Lounge originally; but had requests to post it here, so......)
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InternalDialogue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:33 PM
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1. I'll post here the response I gave you in the Lounge as well.
I respect the tone your friend took in the conversation about your art and the existence of politics and ideology in relation to it, but your response is stunning and on the nose.

Some people may turn to art for pleasure alone, but such a decision is the viewer's to make. Should you choose to use your art or any public forum to push for social reforms or political views you espouse, you hold every right to do so. Viewers can watch, turn away, or express whatever emotions they wish. As an artist, you put it out there and remain open to the recourse.

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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:38 PM
Response to Reply #1
4. Thank you...
Remaining open to the recourse is an excellent way of putting it. Reviewers may not like your work; but that's no reason to suppress yourself.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:36 PM
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2. You're a better person Than I
I would have told them to take a long walk off a short pier.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:47 PM
Response to Reply #2
13. It was tempting...
but there's something inside me that wishes she'd just come out of her little closet and admit that she's republican instead of hiding behind her auntie.
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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:38 PM
Response to Original message
3. Hit "Send."
Edited on Mon Aug-24-09 01:41 PM by Barrymores Ghost
(On Edit: for grammar)

This is a passionate, compassionate, thoughtful, thought-provoking, well-reasoned and lightly-seasoned response to your friend's fairly diplomatic (albeit sanctimonious, weak-kneed and self-serving) letter.

I applaud you.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:49 PM
Response to Reply #3
17. Thank you...
I keep thinking that if she'd allow herself to express whatever it is she truly feels, she'd be a better artist for it.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:39 PM
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5. Oh god spare me these "too pure for politics" people
I think you did a good job in your response, in pointing out the political motivations of many artists and their creations. Your friend's tone was so self-righteous it made me want to puke. Facebook is full of these pearl-clutching self-appointed arbiters of decorum. I've de-friended people like her.
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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:40 PM
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6. SNAP. n/t
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CherokeeDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:46 PM
Response to Reply #5
12. Amen...Hello_Kitty!
NT
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:56 PM
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24. Yes, that's what pissed me off the most...
Her comment about my picture being beautiful in contrast to my words. :grr: And what I posted was mild in comparison to many things I've had to say about Bush and the evangelical set.

If she'd simply asked me not to discuss politics or religion on her page, I would have had no problem with that. But she was grousing about opinions I'd expressed on my page, which is way out of bounds.
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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:36 PM
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47. And her friends won't be able to see your page, unless they're also your friends.
So her concerns about her aunt seeing your comments is only relevant to any comments you might post on your friend's wall, not on yours.

Good riddance.
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 08:50 PM
Response to Reply #24
82. they're trying to white wash the world
so no one will catch on that bush was a criminal and that liberals rule the country now...

shhh! if you take it off of your facebook page, no one will know, and the election never happened!

(you were very gracious- I'd have wanted to comment on how cute it was of her aunt to be so radical when the mainstream in this country are liberals...)
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:17 PM
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36. Yeah, I've seen them too.
In the middle of a political discussion and somebody pipes up with, "Come on, guys. Uhh, it's Facebook. You know? Fun?" That is an actual quote. You know you don't have to respond to my posts and you can also hide them. Plus what about "What's on your mind?" do you not get?
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:29 PM
Response to Reply #36
43. Never talk religion or politics!! Too bad those are my 2 favorite subjects.
I guess I'm supposed to talk about sports and American Idol and whatever other bullshit people waste their time with these days.
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 03:07 PM
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64. Yeah, I'm supposed to comment on my friend's status
Edited on Mon Aug-24-09 03:08 PM by arcadian
John Doe - Has a case of the Mondays...

But god forbid, I try to have a real discussion about the rule of law concerning the Bush administration and something that really matters.
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Kitty Herder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 09:20 PM
Response to Reply #43
87. I can't stand people who avoid all meaningful conversation in
Edited on Mon Aug-24-09 09:23 PM by Kitty Herder
a misguided attempt to be polite. All they manage to acheive is being boring.

And I really, really hate it when they try to police my behavior, chastising me for talking about politics or religion. Am I supposed to ignore the topics that interest me, the topics that matter, while they natter on about football or tv shows? And how, exactly, are we supposed to have any meaningful understanding of politics if we don't discuss politics? How are we supposed to progress as a society without talking about things that matter?
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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:44 PM
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7. K&R
Edited on Mon Aug-24-09 01:44 PM by Barrymores Ghost
This is textbook lesson in providing a civil yet pointed retort to an asinine pretense of apoliticalism and a condescending, left-handed "compliment."
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:44 PM
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8. You are way beyond nice. I'd have said far, far worse.
You were, by far, the bigger person in that exchange.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:59 PM
Response to Reply #8
25. It was a challenge to keep the potty words out of it.
That's why I wanted to wait to send it. I was so incensed...
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:45 PM
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9. Absolutely fascinating. Thanks for sharing. What you are writing about
Edited on Mon Aug-24-09 01:52 PM by peacetalksforall
enters my life everyday. I stumble in my conversations with people I don't know because I try to hold back and every once in awhile I spurt out some outrage I feel. Just the act of relating to people has become a gamble.

Especially during the last nine years as I developed a serious fear that I was going to wake up to either a tragic invasion of Iran or to martial law. I could go on and on about the McCarthy times and the feelings of loss I felt during the Cheney-Bush era (which hasn't ended yet) - a McCarthy like era for us today that is about a million times worse than the Hoover-McCarthy era.

I just wish I knew more about facebook to know what it means to tell your friend that you are not removing her. I told myself that I didn't want one more electronic thing in my life unless it was a replacement for what I have. I said no to Facebook and Twitters, but it looks like I have to learn what they are all about and how they work, even if I don't get either.

Again, thanks for sharing - both of you express yourselves masterfully (except for a word :o) I haven't heard before). I'll be on your side, of course.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:05 PM
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29. Since I'm new to Facebook, I didn't realize
that when someone removes you from their list of friends, they are automatically removed from yours as well. I thought it worked like the DU "ignore" feature, and that I didn't have to ignore her even though she was ignoring me.

Thanks for your kind words. :D
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:45 PM
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10. And why is it okay for her aunt to be a partisan Palin supporter but you're not allowed an opinion?
I'm so sure your friend's aunt has NEVER said an unkind word about Obama or any other Democrat, and neither have her compatriots. Please. :eyes: She's probably at a teabag town hall right now, holding up an "OBAMA IS A BABY/GRANDMA KILLING SOCIALIST!!1!" sign. GMAFB.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:07 PM
Response to Reply #10
30. I'd be willing to bet you're right about that...
Especially since she's such a Palin supporter. Palin, who spews hate every chance she gets...:grr:
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CherokeeDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:45 PM
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11. I Think Your Response Is Appropriate...
It is well thought out and your points are very valid, at least to my point of view. While I am not an artist, I dabble in making jewelry, I have been a ballet dancer during my school years, in the chorus, taken art classes, and tried pottery for my enjoyment. I know I am not an artist but one who loves art. For me, artists are free spirits who see past the mundane and take us to places that we can't reach alone. Those places include the things that are real as well as surreal. For anyone to try and stifle a voice of compassion for the human condition gives me pause. It will be hard to maintain a friendship with barriers like this between friends but I wish you success in doing so. I have never asked my friends to agree with me but to give me the room to think differently from them.

Good reply and good luck.

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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:18 PM
Response to Reply #11
37. Thank you...
I have to admit that the fact that she's suggested that I should not express my views publically puts a real damper on the friendship. I have republican aquaintances who know they are free to speak their minds in front of me. Sometimes I'll give them an argument, or simply tell them I don't agree. And sometimes I just ignore them. I've said let's not talk politics right now. But I would never suggest that they could not express their views.
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:47 PM
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14. Why the hell doesn't she just have two facebook pages; one for art and 2nd for personal?
I'm sure it could be accomplished. She's being dense.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:22 PM
Response to Reply #14
38. I don't think my posts can be viewed on her page anyway...
unless I chose to post political stuff there. And since there's nothing about politics on her page, it'd be pretty silly to spout off.
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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:48 PM
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15. Very nice!
You are a better person than me.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:25 PM
Response to Reply #15
42. I don't know about that...
I just thought "Eff you." was too minimalist for the occasion. :rofl:
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:48 PM
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16. "adamantine views"?


What is it with right wingers and the English Language? Shit, people, if you don't understand a word, don't try to use it.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:50 PM
Response to Reply #16
19. It's like adamant, except you buy it on QVC. eom
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CherokeeDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:05 PM
Response to Reply #19
28. You score again!
Edited on Mon Aug-24-09 02:06 PM by CherokeeDem
I have a very good vocabulary and I had to look that word up in Merriam-Webster's. LOL...let's try to impress with our intellect and Thesaurus. Works every time! Yeah.


Edited because I may have a good vocabulary but I cannot spell. Must...use...spellcheck...
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:14 PM
Response to Reply #28
33. Yeah. Clearly the word this person was going for was "adamant".
You should use firefox, if you don't already. It's got a built-in spellchecker.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:24 PM
Response to Reply #33
40. It's very helpful, though I've noticed it's wrong a few times.
For example, it thinks the word worshipped is spelled worshiped. It kept error-ing out so I looked it up in the dictionary. I was right.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:24 PM
Response to Reply #16
41. It's a valid use of the word, just archaic. (nt)
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:37 PM
Response to Reply #41
48. Apropos, considering the source.
Her views are pretty archaic.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 04:18 PM
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73. True enough
I'll use the word "adamantine" in that context at times, though, and I'm a transhumanist, which is about as far from archaic as you can get views-wise. ;)

(I freely admit I tend to have a thing for slightly dated language in general, though.)
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 04:44 PM
Response to Reply #73
76. There are some really neat words
that have gone the way of the dinosaur. :hi:
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 08:39 PM
Response to Reply #41
80. Then I stand corrected!
:blush:

And here, I thought it was just a garden variety RW fuckup.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 10:10 AM
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101. 2 : rigidly firm : UNYIELDING -adamantine discipline-
http://media.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/adamantine

1 : made of or having the quality of adamant
2 : rigidly firm : UNYIELDING -adamantine discipline-
3 : resembling the diamond in hardness or luster
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:35 PM
Response to Reply #16
46. I'm making Trout Adamantine for dinner tonight
:rofl:
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demodonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:50 PM
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18. Send it! And remember that Bush did more to cut Arts education...

...than any President in history.

While it may be "no child left behind" when it comes to taking standardized tests, we are leaving the Arts education and exposure of a whole generation of Americans to MTV and iTunes.

If this "friend" of yours truly loves the Arts and wants them to have a future, she will do well to distance HERSELF from Bush and the Republicans.

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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:39 PM
Response to Reply #18
49. Good point!
I wonder if she's considered that at all...
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flakey_foont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:51 PM
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20. Your response is considerate
and thoughtful....
you have explained yourself quite well and were gracious to the other person


well done!
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:40 PM
Response to Reply #20
50. Thank you
Edited on Mon Aug-24-09 02:40 PM by GoddessOfGuinness
for your kind words... :hug:
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:51 PM
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21. I'm on face book too
The response looks good to me
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:41 PM
Response to Reply #21
51. Thanks...
Love your sig line! :rofl:
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stranger81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:52 PM
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22. Perfectly appropriate response, and not too reactionary.
I'm afraid I would not have been able to be so calm & well-spoken in response. The political is personal, and the personal is political in my book.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:44 PM
Response to Reply #22
53. I seriously doubt she would have sent the email
if I'd suggested Obama wasn't born here.
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The_Commonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:54 PM
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23. For the most part, I avoid politics on Facebook.
That's what I come here for!
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:10 PM
Response to Reply #23
31. Me too...I play the games and check out some of the groups
like for football and genealogy and stuff.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:47 PM
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54. It's certainly safer here...
I started visiting DU because it was a refuge where I could discuss my views without being inundated with idiotic comments.

But I guess I just get tired of feeling that there is only a handful of places where I can speak out.
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:02 PM
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26. That person is a noob
Clearly not a hardened flame warrior. Fuck em. They are 40 something and up til recently only used computers for work. They don't know the first thing about social networking sites and they will be eaten alive.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:11 PM
Response to Reply #26
32. Oh yeah, it astonishes me how delicate some people are on facebook
Shit, they wouldn't have lasted 5 minutes on Usenet!
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:16 PM
Response to Reply #32
34. If I had to guess, it's because most of them are using their real names.
Of course, my real name is Warren DeMontague.

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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:23 PM
Response to Reply #34
39. Good point, but I've had people get upset with me simply for disagreeing with them.
A few days ago a woman posted something to her wall in support of state tax credits to private schools. She's a Dem but most Dems in Arizona oppose them. I responded with several reasons why tax money going to private ed. is a bad idea. No name-calling, no personal attacks. After a little back-and-forth between her and me and some other opponents of tax credits who joined in, all of which was polite and respectful and stuck to facts, she deletes the whole thread because she was "afraid things would start to get ugly". WTF? IMHO a lot of people out there just can't handle someone arguing with them. Which is fine but don't go posting statements in support of a certain political view on facebook if you don't expect a response.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:49 PM
Response to Reply #26
56. Flame Warriors
:rofl: Is there special armor for that?
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:03 PM
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27. Reactionary? Hardly. I applaud your reserve
I've sent worse to my birther/deather mother because she blindly serves as a conduit for RW lies.

Move that cursor over and click 'Send'.



(I was getting angry reading that self-righteous, condescending message and it wasn't sent to me. Too bad the 'aunt' doesn't apply those 'Christian' values to the people she supports politically.)
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:54 PM
Response to Reply #27
57. I'm sure there are many who
help shelter the homeless for a night, but wouldn't dream of helping them get decent healthcare and a chance for a permanent roof over their heads.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:57 PM
Response to Reply #57
58. Unfortunately, I certain you are correct.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:17 PM
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35. REACTIONARY??????!!!!!?????
Oops...sorry...I reacted... :7



Seriously though...reactionary would have been, "Fuck you and the flea-bitten donkey you rode in on!"


Personally, I don't think she's trying to protect her poor elderly aunt from your (gasp!!!) political views...

I think she's trying to protect HERSELF from the opinions of friends and relatives who might question her choice of people she associates with... i.e. not "their kind".


You handled it with class
:)
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:59 PM
Response to Reply #35
59. I think you hit the nail on the head.
As an artist, it'd be so good for her to break away from that fear of disapproval.

Thanks for your kind words. :hi:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 09:06 AM
Response to Reply #35
99. Most likely.
Edited on Tue Aug-25-09 09:13 AM by mmonk
I'm new to facebook. I'm not sure what is posted to people's walls or not. So far I don't have anything political on mine except that politics is one of my interests. Of course if they look or see my friends list, Sibel Edmonds is listed.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:30 PM
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44. i had a facebook friend who
was a right winger. he's my neighbor and we didn't know each other's politics till facebook. things got really nasty on his part and i had to drop him as a friend. then he took one of my other friends as his. she's a republican, but we've been friends for 20 years. he started posting negative messages about me on her wall so i could see them. i had to drop her as my friend too. we're still friends, but not on facebook.

good luck to you.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 03:03 PM
Response to Reply #44
60. That's a shame.
Sounds like a vindictive asshole. :(
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 03:40 PM
Response to Reply #60
69. yes. very much so.
i knew him for 6 years, but never discussed politics. he and his wife always invited us to their house for parties. we went once. after facebook that ended. now he hates me. says we "libruls" are ruining the country and should move to russia.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 04:25 PM
Response to Reply #69
75. Sheesh. When did ignorance become chic?
The dumbass look is so unattractive. :hug:
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 01:22 PM
Response to Reply #44
103. Why didn't your friend just de-friend the asshole instead of allowing him
to use her as a conduit to snark at you?
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:33 PM
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45. Your response is very well done. Quite excellent. nt
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 03:04 PM
Response to Reply #45
61. Thank you
:hi:
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:44 PM
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52. Your friend sounds like an incredible snob. nt
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 03:05 PM
Response to Reply #52
62. It's a side of her I'd never seen before...
Her email also paints a pretty shallow picture of her. :(
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WhollyHeretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:48 PM
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55. None of her friends would be able to see any of your posts unless you posted it on her wall
I think your reply is perfectly reasonable and more civil than I would have been. :thumbsup:
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 03:09 PM
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65. That's what I thought...
She knows me well enough to realize that if she politely asked me to refrain from talking about politics or religion on her page, I would have respected her wish.

She was freaked about my page, and trying to dictate to me how I should post on it.

Thanks for your support! :hi:
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HillWilliam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 03:06 PM
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63. This fiddler, Democrat, and Facebook user
heartily approves of your gracious response. My page is multi-purposed with my bridal pictures and wedding business, so there are more than a few times I just have to grit my teeth until a post rolls down a page. It's not often I can get my licks in. Thanks for doing such a fine job.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 03:13 PM
Response to Reply #63
66. Thank you!
I play for a lot of weddings too. Sounds like you're involved in more than the music. Are you a coordinator?
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HillWilliam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 09:48 PM
Response to Reply #66
88. I'm an officiant.
which for me is as much fun as playing the music. I enjoy the creative writing challenge and every wedding is totally different to the last one. Music, poetry, politics, ... too many muses command me. But alas, the Muse of Coordination usually isn't one of 'em. Gawd, you should see my desk.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 01:03 AM
Response to Reply #88
90. LOL
Ever officiate with your instrument? That'd be kind of cool...like cantoring without words.
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HillWilliam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 10:24 AM
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102. While I'm well past the cat-scratch stage
and comfortable in the bi-weekly jams the local string club has at the cultural center downtown, I dunno if I'm ready to do a wedding solo with my fiddle. Speaking or singing, yup, I can do that. I'm a woodwinds and keyboards guy, only took up the fiddle about 6 years ago and I'm still a little shy about it. Don't mind playing in a group (I'd love to find an amateur chamber group).

Jevver hear of a contraption called a chin-cello? I've got one. Built on a modified 16" viola body with a deeper box, it uses specially-made octave strings to play in the cello range. Now that is a form-factor for gigging. Nice, warm, cello sound, not quite as loud (without the big box, you lose a little projection), but it's amazing for what it is. The only drawback I see is that they ship with a standard cello bow which is damned heavy to play in the air, but I'm fixing that by ordering a featherweight IncrediBow cello bow. I've got two IncrediBow fiddle bows I absolutely love and swear by. Just wish Thomastik made Vision Titanium Orchestra strings for the chin cello. Red Labels SSSSSSSSSSSSSSUCK.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 01:37 PM
Response to Reply #102
105. I've heard of a chin cello, but
have not seen or heard one. A friend of mine uses an Incredibow cello bow on her viola. It's a little short; but she's got really short arms. And the weight of the bow helps her sustain her sound when necessary.

I coach amateur chamber ensembles in the summer; and we've had a number of participants from the Charlotte, Greensburg, and Raleigh areas. I'll bet you could find some people to play with via ACMP.
Here's their website: http://www.acmp.net/index.php
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 03:16 PM
Response to Reply #63
67. Do you think there's a double standard though?
I have conservative fb friends who tout their business and professional status but still make whatever comments they want about politics and post some pretty offensive shit about Obama. Apparently, it's totally okay to be a Birther while still maintaining your business contacts on facebook.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 03:24 PM
Response to Reply #67
68. I agree...
My brother, who is rabidly rethuglican, never misses an opportunity to say something like, "God bless America in spite of those clearly unamerican citizens" on his website.
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SallyMander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 03:47 PM
Response to Original message
70. I think your reply is appropriate, respectful, and right on!

Did you send it yet? I will be interested to see if she'll respond -- maybe it will lead to a productive discussion, but even if not, i think it is a great response.

:hi:
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 04:04 PM
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71. SallyMander!
We've missed you around here! :hug: How've you been?
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SallyMander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 04:17 PM
Response to Reply #71
72. Aww, you are a sweetie!

:hug:

I've been good, but BUSY! I finished my PhD in June! :bounce:

Now i am working as a postdoctoral researcher on... you guessed it... salamanders. :D

How are you?? If i PM ya my name, can we be Facebook friends? I promise i won't complain about your political leanings. ;) :D
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 04:23 PM
Response to Reply #72
74. Congrats!
I'm so glad you're working with what you love!

It would be fantastic to have you as a Facebook friend! Almost all my buddies are musicians. I need some scientist friends too! :loveya:
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 05:10 PM
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77. And she is not doing this?
"It would be a pity to reduce friendship to political tags and miss the experiences of knowing other talented people simply because they voted differently."
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 05:12 PM
Response to Reply #77
78. Yeah...Some serious projecting there.
:hi:
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 05:30 PM
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79. ROFLMAO!
I just noticed your sig photo update! :rofl:

Oh, you are way more polite than I would have been. Possibly more cogent too. That is a great reply.

;)

-Hoot
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 01:02 AM
Response to Reply #79
89. MadInMaryland sicked his squirrel on my anteater.
:rofl:

Thanks for your kind words! :)
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 08:49 PM
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81. If my grandmother were reading DU right now.
She'd go on over to the "FacePlace" and tear that self-promoting passive agressive POS a new one. You handled it much better than my grandma would've.

:evilgrin:
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 01:04 AM
Response to Reply #81
91. Wow!
Remind me never to mess with your grandma! :rofl:
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 08:54 PM
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83. Your letter is basically the same as your friend's.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 01:05 AM
Response to Reply #83
92. How so?
I've not told her she shouldn't express her views.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 08:54 PM
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84. Become my Face Book friend, I am friends with lots of DUers, I'll hook u up
PM me & I'll give you my email addy so you can search for me
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 01:07 AM
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93. Is there a DU group there?
I guess it's best not to advertise too much. Never know when the thugs are going to steal another election.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 08:57 PM
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85. I think it is an excellent, well-reasoned response...
especially given your friend's pompous, contemptuous missive to you. I hope you do send it.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 01:10 AM
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94. Thanks, Spazito
I'm sending it now. :hi:
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 09:03 PM
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86. I think yours was a very measured response
I cannot see how any reasonable person could find it objectionable.

And for whatever it's worth, I totally agree on your take of art and politics. Hiding part of yourself in order not to offend must also eventually take its toll on your art, I think.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 01:12 AM
Response to Reply #86
95. Thanks, JerseygirlCT!
:hi:
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voc Donating Member (279 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 01:35 AM
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97. Just had to add
that your response was well thought out even though you were angry. btdt.:)
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DollyM Donating Member (837 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 01:14 AM
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96. I deleted a few "friends" too!
After constant Democrat and Obama bashings, I started posting my own arguments and fun little "controversial" cartoons etc. Mad some of my "friends" mad and realized I could care less what these people think because obviously they didn't think at all, just spouted something akin to urban legends. Although I have to admit the most stupid one was the very fundemental girl I went to college with that post a diatribe about how the government was going to take away thier right to get health care AND tell us what kind of cars we could drive. She was serious. I jumped in with a very sound arguement in my best rational tone and she deleted the whole thread. After a few more of these, I realized I was just beating my head against the wall with people who were too dumb to do their own thinking so I started deleting. I didn't bother with informing them, I figured it wasn't worth my time.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 08:05 AM
Response to Reply #96
98. I sent the email last night, and this morning I have a reply...
Seems like a sucky way to start my day, though; so I'm going to wait before I open it. :-)
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 10:04 AM
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100. I don't think it was reactionary at all.
I think it was quite graceful, myself.

I got a facebook page to look at pictures of a new house posted there by an old friend. I don't even know what to do with it. I hardly ever post anything at all. The 6 whole "friends" I've got post daily, sometimes more than once, filling up the page with stuff.

I don't know what to do with it. It's not a political tool for me. I guess, if I didn't have personal friends showing up, I could use it as another communication tool for my students.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 01:26 PM
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104. You can always remove the stuff you don't want there...
If you started using it as a tool for your students, maybe your friends would get the idea.

Thanks for your kind comments. :hi:
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