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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 07:53 PM
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DU ATTYS: These seem like likely candidates for laws that BushCo broke in declaring false DHS alerts
for political purposes - I'm not a lawyer but what do you think?

TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 19 > § 371. Conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud United States

If two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

If, however, the offense, the commission of which is the object of the conspiracy, is a misdemeanor only, the punishment for such conspiracy shall not exceed the maximum punishment provided for such misdemeanor.


TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 47 > § 1001.
Statements or entries generally

(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully—

(1) falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact;

(2) makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation; or

(3) makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry;
shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both. If the matter relates to an offense under chapter 109A, 109B, 110, or 117, or section 1591, then the term of imprisonment imposed under this section shall be not more than 8 years.

(b) Subsection (a) does not apply to a party to a judicial proceeding, or that party’s counsel, for statements, representations, writings or documents submitted by such party or counsel to a judge or magistrate in that proceeding.

(c) With respect to any matter within the jurisdiction of the legislative branch, subsection (a) shall apply only to—

(1) administrative matters, including a claim for payment, a matter related to the procurement of property or services, personnel or employment practices, or support services, or a document required by law, rule, or regulation to be submitted to the Congress or any office or officer within the legislative branch; or

(2) any investigation or review, conducted pursuant to the authority of any committee, subcommittee, commission or office of the Congress, consistent with applicable rules of the House or Senate.




TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 47 > § 1017.

Government seals wrongfully used and instruments wrongfully sealed

Whoever fraudulently or wrongfully affixes or impresses the seal of any department or agency of the United States, to or upon any certificate, instrument, commission, document, or paper or with knowledge of its fraudulent character, with wrongful or fraudulent intent, uses, buys, procures, sells, or transfers to another any such certificate, instrument, commission, document, or paper, to which or upon which said seal has been so fraudulently affixed or impressed, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.


TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 47 >§ 1018.

Official certificates or writings

Whoever, being a public officer or other person authorized by any law of the United States to make or give a certificate or other writing, knowingly makes and delivers as true such a certificate or writing, containing any statement which he knows to be false, in a case where the punishment thereof is not elsewhere expressly provided by law, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 07:59 PM
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1. No punishment. We're looking forward.
Laws are just for show now.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 07:59 PM
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2. I wish, but I think the differences between one level and another was subjective.
Assuming that there were multiple items of concern daily, and that there were not strict guidelines defining one Security Level (yellow, orange, red) from the next, I think it might be a hard thing to prove.

:shrug:
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 08:05 PM
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3. Not if you have Tom Ridge as a witness saying it happened.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 08:18 PM
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4. Don't you think that the crime falls under terrorism?
They frightened the entire nation and the world for political gain.
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 08:29 PM
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5. I'm not an atty - I just looked up what seemed like the low hanging fruit on line. nt
I was hoping some actual DU atty's might offer informed opinions.
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