Are you sick of what's left of YouTube like I am?Then here's 3 non-restrictive, non-Google sites...

[Up2Late]

...that haven't been destroyed by the greed of Viacom, and all the other American Media Corporations:

This is "My Video" in Germany: <http://www.myvideo.de/>

And here's Knut, the Baby Polar Bear that was rejected by it's mother at the Berlin Zoo:

<http://www.myvideo.de/watch/1167832>

Or my German cousin's old cat, who taught herself a neat trick: <http://www.myvideo.de/watch/1217745>

And this is "Daily Motion" in France: <http://www.dailymotion.com/>

Here's one of my Favorite videos there:

<http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xlpe8_surf>

And my page at Daily Motion:

<http://www.dailymotion.com/Up2Late2>

And here's a site in Japan too: <http://vision.ameba.jp/index.do>

And a very cool UFO video there:

<http://vision.ameba.jp/watch.do?movie=11542>

All three of these are completely legitimate sites built on the YouTube model, but one word of warning, cultural standards regarding sex in France and Germany are different from here in America. The French and German sites do allow the type of mild, artistic nudity that would quickly get deleted at YouTube. If that scares you, stick with the site from Japan, they have even more rules against Nudity than we do here Prudetown, U.S.A.

O.K., I know most of you are saying, "But I don't read or speak German, French or Japanese."

Well here's the solution if you really have to know what is written under the videos (this applies to the German and Japanese sites) go to one of these language translation sites and paste the main page of "My Video" or "Ameba Vision" into the "Translate Page" box and poof, you have a fair translation of those sites. The French site, "Daily Motion" is now available in 14 different languages by clicking on "International" at the top of the page):

http://babelfish.altavista.com/

http://www.google.com/language_tools

http://www.worldlingo.com/en/websites/url_translator.html

http://babelfish.yahoo.com/

http://www.online-translator.com/srvurl.asp?lang=en


So, if you're sick of your favorite videos getting deleted by short-sited, greedy, American Media Corporations like Viacom, who don't seem to understand the value of their FANS, especially those Fans who loved these shows so much that they would spend hours of their own time to post these OLD shows, shows that the New Fans of these shows didn't even know they missed, shows that they would have to hire and pay some unemployed or under-employed person to find and post to a website the Corporation would have to pay for, and use bandwidth they would have to pay for, to servers they would have to buy and maintain. Shows they might even be able to sell DVD's of to those new fans too, but no.

So, if all that bugs you too, try the sites above and stick it to Google and Viacom and even the nearly dead shell of the once fun YouTube too.

[tblue]

1. There are too many smart hackers and geeks, and there's only so much the Corps can do.

But thank you so much for those links! I will be all over 'em!


Edited because someday, I promise, I will lurn how to tipe rite,

[Up2Late]

3. Me too.

I almost always find at least one typo, hopefully soon enough after I post something that I have time to fix it. Some times I catch them too late though. :pals:

[Blue_Tires]

2. k+r

[MADem]

4. Daily motion has potential,I have enjoyed it for some time...which means they will ruin it... NT

[Up2Late]

5. Yeah, I do like Daily Motion, I signed up there back in October...

...almost as soon as I found it, after my first YouTube account was deleted because of all the Daily Show and Colbert Report videos I had there.

I posted an old Daily Show video at DM about that time, as a test to see if it would get removed, but it hasn't. I also posted a few to my MySpace page as a test also, and of the 4, two were recently removed, but I didn't get any sort of "copyright Infringement" e-mail from MySpace, so I don't know. The files might have just gotten corrupted or something.

[global1]

6. k & r .......nt

[tblue37]

7. That cat trick is one that Maine Coon cats often perform, but I have never seen

a cat of another type do it. It's quite adorable.

(I think Maine Coon cats do it partly because, with their extra foot fur acting like an absorbent sponge, they can, and partly because the bbreed developed naturally in New England, and the method enabled them to get water even when lakes and streams were almost completely frozen over.)

[Up2Late]

12. That's interesting, someone else told me that their cat did that too...

...but I think she said it also was a domestic Short hair.

The funny thing is that LuLu, who is over 15 years old, and just started doing this a few months ago.

I didn't really understand it when I saw her do it in person, but by looking at the video, I can see she probably couldn't get her head past that handle of the watering can, so she figured this method out.

[progressoid]

8. will check these out tonight.

[lonestarnot]

9. Bookmarking and thanks!

[Scriptor Ignotus]

10. I disagree with your position completely

so Viacom is the bad guy here? Why, because they want to be paid for the content they produced?

Let's just assume for a second the Daily Show costs Viacom $10M to produce over the course of a year. They make $20M from advertisements on the show and from merchandise.

Now YouTube comes along and spends $0 to produce the show and they make $1M from advertisers over the course of a year. How the hell is that fair to Viacom? They're stealing the product and directly profiting from it.

Yea, I know Viacom is a shady giant corporation. But the laws of business should still be honored - you pay fair market value for a product or service. Perhaps Viacom is being greedy by not accepting a reduced rate for their product (and they probably should), but playing hardball may be a shrewd manuever in the long-run.

Also Viacom loses revenue when you go to YouTube instead of Comedycentral.com. They make way more in online advertising revenue by increasing traffic to their site (and charging higher ad rates) then they lose in hiring some intern to post the videos.

It's like 8 years ago and you're complaining that Napster closed down and now you can't download songs for free anymore.

[Up2Late]

11. O.K., lets assume for a second or two that YOU are Wrong on several points, can you imagine that?

Because you are wrong in several of your assumptions.

It wrong to you assume that YouTube "spends $0" Dollars and, btw, they never "...produce the show...," they "Host" these videos.

They Host these videos on lots of Computer servers that they had to install and maintain or pay people to maintain, and they had to buy huge amounts of Internet Bandwidth for all the increased traffic these additional viewers created on their site, so the cost to YouTube (and the money saved by Viacom) was Definitely NOT $0.00 Dollars, come on, that has to be obvious to anybody.

<http://www.networkworld.com/community/?q=node/8368>

Thu, 08/31/2006 - 7:04am

Interested in what makes YouTube tick?

Well, YouTube won't tell you, but enterprising people, such as Lee Gomes of The Wall Street Journal, scraped the site to find out info the company normally won't share.

Get this: "YouTube videos take up an estimated 45 terabytes of storage - about 5,000 home computers' worth - and require several million dollars' worth of bandwidth a month to transmit."

And you think you have storage management issues?

All that Storage space and Bandwidth that Viacom didn't have to buy and hundreds of people they didn't have to hire and employ and pay Health Insurance costs for, which also cost a lot of money. And that cost is also for a video service (video clips that could be embedding the users MySpace or webpage) that until just recently, Viacom didn't even offer when most of those video were uploaded to YouTube.

Viacom did offer a very inferior product in the "Motherload" player in 2006, which NEVER worked for me (and a lot of other people too). I could never get it to work at the Comedy Central website, let alone as an embedded player. It only recently started working now that Adobe has released their "Flash Player 9" plug-in.

And on top of all that, a LOT of the old (pre-2003) Daily Show videos that people uploaded to YouTube were NOT even available at any of the Viacom websites (or anywhere on the web) and you certainly couldn't buy them in any store on DVD. You might be able to find an old used copy of the shows from the year 2000 election campaign and Election Fiasco on eBay if you were lucky, but most of the those old shows, which lots of the new Fans (from all around the World, I should add) that YouTube creating for these shows, were shows that Fans wanted to see, and would probably pay to see, if they were available.

So here's another value that YouTube added to these old shows that were just sitting in the Viacom Archives. Free Market Research!

If Viacom had been smart about all this, they could have seen what old shows the Fans were looking for and watching (and Rating, btw on a 1 to 5 star rating system) and created DVDs of just those shows. I'm sure we both know that sometimes The Daily Show produces a few shows that are stinkers (like this week for example), so it's too expensive to just put out DVD's of ALL of the last 10 years of The Daily Show on DVD, some probably wouldn't sell more than 10,000 copies, so not worth the trouble for a Mega-Corp like Viacom.

I'm not even going to try to calculate the value of the Thousands of new fans YouTube videos created per month, but add it all up and this was a sweet deal for Viacom.

So what do they have now? Lots of very pissed of fans and viewers which they are going to have to spend Millions of Dollars to get back and make happy again, that is if they even still care. I don't think they do.

Plus, I bet I find a new site like this popping up every month in a different part of the world. What Viacom did was very similar to what the dorks in the White House did when they went into Afghanistan and "decentralized" a certain terrorist group. Now all these computer wiz kids are spread out, all over the world, and they have a model to follow to create a dozens of New YouTube type sites, and all out of reach of U.S. Copyright Laws.

What Viacom did wasn't bad, it was just Stupid.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

13. there is indeed a value in what YouTube does

and Viacom recognizes that. However they have not asked or contracted any kind of agreement with YouTube. A business can't just charge another business for a service it hasn't agreed to. That's a very poor argument you are making there. If you ran a lawn-mowing business would you just mow everyone's lawn in the neighborhood without asking first and then bill them? Of course not.

Likewise, Viacom never asked or contracted YouTube to host these videos. So YouTube is in essence hosting "stolen" property all the while receiving advertising revenue from other businesses, who are marketing to "stolen" viewers who are on YouTube and not Motherload. (Yes, Motherload is inferior to YouTube. No one can argue that one...)

You took my example too literally. I pulled those numbers out of my ass to prove a point, and you focused on the numbers, not the point. So what if YouTube has hosting and bandwidth costs. So does Viacom. It's not Viacom's problem if YouTube's are higher or not. Viacom has the capability to provide the same service (hosting videos) so why should they let YouTube do it for free?

Look, I love YouTube. I've watched Viacom shows on YouTube. I think it's great. But I still agree with Viacom's right to claim their own content or at least negotiate a deal that ensures they receive fair market value for their product.

I think ultimately YouTube and Viacom will reach a deal, and I hope so soon. But Viacom should most definately be paid BY Google/YouTube for the use of their products.

[mhatrw]

14. Thanks. n/t

[Up2Late]

15. kick n/t

:kick:

[Up2Late]

16. kick n/t

:kick:

[Jcrowley]

17. Kick and Rec n/t