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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 11:50 AM
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1997 Mother Jones: DLC wanted Medicare, Social Security, education "in the new marketplace."
They appear to have actively opposed the health care plan put forth by Bill Clinton and Hillary. They wanted Medicare and Social Security and education delivered into the "new marketplace."

In other words they wanted to privatize all of the above.

DLC President Al From is urging Clinton to undertake a "fundamental restructuring our biggest systems for delivering public benefits -- Medicare, Social Security, and public education, for openers." Similarly, Will Marshall of the Progressive Policy Institute (PPI), the DLC's think tank, argues for moving Medicare and Medicaid "into the new marketplace."


The then recently formed CAF (Campaign for America's Future) had something to say.

But Democrats are going to lock horns over this sort of DLC advice to the second Clinton administration. Roger Hickey, co-director of the Campaign for America's Future (CAF), a populist advocacy group launched last July, says Clinton won't swallow the privatization pill unless he forgets the reason he won the November election: "People want him to protect Medicare." But Hickey acknowledges that "there is going to be enormous elite pressure for a big comprehensive solution," and he says that without public pressure an "inside-the-Beltway pundit consensus" might prevail.


Here is some more from the 1997 issue of Mother Jones Magazine. It sounds so much like today...it was the same crossroads where we are now. The corporatization, the "new marketplace", has gone well in many areas, and there are indications it will continue. Education is just about done with Duncan at the wheel, and the words "universal savings accounts" have been used in regard to Social Security. There has been little mention of Medicare except in terms of cutting costs.

Democrats at the Crossroads

Mother Jones 1997

One Election, Two Interpretations

The predominant analysis in the media echoes the New Democrat view that Clinton won by pre-empting the right on such issues as crime, welfare reform, and a balanced budget. "Every time Dole tried to get cracking on an issue," Al From pointed out at a post-election DLC press conference, "he couldn't do it because the president had, in a sense, beat him there."


Al From was proud that we beat the Republicans to being Republicans before they could do it. That is just weird.

During 1995 and 1996, the New Democrats opposed the popular minimum wage increase. They also urged, in the words of DLC chair Sen. Joseph Lieberman (D-Conn.), an end to "the current system of unconditional government entitlements market-based system." Had Clinton taken such advice, the populist Democrats argue, he would not have trounced Dole in the election.

Ruy Teixeira of the pro-labor Economic Policy Institute points out that Dole and Clinton remained even in presidential polls for some time after Clinton embraced the balanced budget goal in June 1995. "Clinton did not pull away from Dole," says Teixeira, "until he joined with congressional Democrats in defense of Medicare and other popular programs and the Republicans made their disastrous decision to shut down the government. By December of 1995, Clinton was 10 points ahead and never looked back through his re-election."


I am seeing some of the same terms used today as were in this paragraph from 1997.

The New Democrats condemn bureaucracy and exhort Americans to be mutually responsible for one another. But why, then, does the DLC want the nation's most popular and administratively efficient public program, Social Security, to be partially diverted into millions of individual accounts managed by Wall Street brokers? By pursuing the breakup of unitary programs for Social Security and Medicare, the DLC is promoting social division, regulatory complexity, and a vast corporate subsidy -- rather than furthering the mutual responsibility, administrative simplification, and "end of corporate welfare" it claims to favor.


There was also a 1995 Time Magazine article in which some interesting words were said.

Al From himself embodies John Maynard Keynes' warning that the real difficulty in changing any enterprise lies not in developing new ideas but in escaping from old ones. "The problem for us and him," says From, "is that Clinton promised to be different. He's been that a bit, but the whole is less than the sum of the parts. The fundamental change he pledged hasn't come. We've been consistent in articulating the ideas he won on, but he hasn't been consistent in advancing them. We were at this before Clinton, and we'll be at it after he's gone, because a long-term majority will never be created around the interests represented by Jesse and the labor unions. Most people are politically homeless now. They're our target. We'll work to get Clinton to pursue us, but we're damn sure going to make it hard for him to catch us."

Which means what? "Al feels a loyalty to Clinton because he feels responsible for electing him," says Steinhardt. "But what we're planning is bigger than some psychological thing. We'll just have to see if Clinton buys our new stuff. If not, and someone else takes it on, then we'll probably fracture." Then Clinton will have even more trouble than he has already.


More from the article from TIME in 1995.

Clinton and the DLC in 1995

"Since his election," says DLC president Al From, "the President's campaign agenda hasn't been his first priority." A repeat of that performance is what many centrist boosters worry about most. Clinton's latest moves to the center, like his recent balanced-budget proposal, are viewed by the DLC as mere electoral tactics that may signify nothing at all about a second term's direction. "In '92 our ideas captured the country but not the party," says William Galston, who resigned recently as a White House aide to help develop what From calls a "third way." Since then, adds Galston, the tension within the Administration "has involved accommodating the liberal tendencies that still dominate the party and the centrist views the President ran on." That confusion is exactly what could doom Clinton, since many Americans still wonder what the President really believes in and what he will fight for.

The centrists don't want to go down with him. Explains Elaine Kamarck, a former PPI fellow currently working for Vice President Gore: "The DLC worries about dying off if the President's defeated. The battle for the party's soul will continue even if he wins. But if he loses, the liberals will claim that the dlc's centrist views were responsible and should be tossed aside entirely. The counterargument will be that just because the messenger proved imperfect, doesn't mean the message itself should be junked."

..."A full-fledged manifesto is due this fall, and if, as currently planned, it includes ideas like privatizing Social Security, it's unlikely that Clinton will have the nerve to sign on. At that point, says Galston, the group's new prescriptions will "be there for anyone to embrace."


The DLC was trying to privatize Social Security, Medicare, and education since 1995. In fact Al From even pushed for charter schools in 2000.

Al From called for charter schools in 2000. Now failed schools can be made charter schools.

The Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) is now calling for reforms including school choice and merit pay for teachers.....America is a tale of two public school systems: one that works reasonably well, although it could certainly be better, and one that is by almost any standard a disaster," says From.

.."From argues that the public school system too often serves the interests of teachers and administrators at the expense of the students themselves. It is a "monopolistic" system that "offers a 'one-size-fits-hardly-anyone' model that strangles excellence and innovation" he says.

Characterizing charter schools as "oases of innovation," From writes, "The time has come to bring life to the rest of the desert-by introducing the same forces of choice and competition to every public school in America."


Under Duncan, Al From's dream is being realized.

This group is quieter now, but they have a huge voice in the administration. They still want Social Security, Medicare, and Education moved into the "new marketplace."

We need to be on guard.

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 11:53 AM
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1. What was it Wellstone said about the DLC?
He knew what was going on.

Pity it is taking so long for some Dems to figure it out.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 11:51 AM
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53. Like I always say - If we wanted Republicans we would vote for them! nt
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 11:54 AM
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2. K&R
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 11:55 AM
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3. K&R
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KakistocracyHater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 01:01 AM
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49. dlc just the "other right", I've said that enough times, where is obama
riding roughshod over these proudly stupid Americans? I hope he is representing "the People", & won't back down. It is always a struggle to make progress; they nearly rioted over "The Rites of Spring" 100 years ago, all because it was inspired by something outside the Christian Faith. This seems so quaint & overly dramatic, so I'm very certain that the Birthers, the Neo-Cons, etc. will be seen in a less than flattering light.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 11:55 AM
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4. we haven't had a democratic president since Carter...
Edited on Tue Aug-18-09 11:56 AM by dysfunctional press
just think of how things would be today, if his vision for u.s. energy independence had been allowed to happen.

it's downright depressing that it didn't.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 11:59 AM
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5. Obama's selection of Rahm Emanuel as White House Chief of Staff should have been our 1st clue
Edited on Tue Aug-18-09 12:00 PM by tularetom
that it was going to be deja vu all over again.

I don't know if Rahm is actually a DLC member but he certainly espouses a lot of their thinking.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:02 PM
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7. He is one of the main members of the DLC
From the DLC website.

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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:09 PM
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9. WOW. That is Obama's Administration.
No wonder Wall Street got the keys to the Treasury, Military Spending is INCREASING, and Health Care Reform is going off a cliff.

Now I'm even more worried about $500 Billion in cuts to Medicare.

Election 2008 was a terrible defeat for the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:11 PM
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11. Well look who was the runner up to Obama.
Lots of Dems STILL don't have a clue.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 01:14 PM
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22. Yes. :( nt
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:29 PM
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25. Yikes! I did get caught up in the "feel good" atmosphere of the election but

as soon as Obama started making all his appointments I knew there was no big change coming.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:50 PM
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27. It was a feel good time. It really was.
It was the choice of Rahm that stunned so many of us.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 10:08 AM
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64. +1
And some are still caught up in that 'feel good' atmosphere, waiting for 'big change'.
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Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 01:42 AM
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60. That picture says a lot.
I'm glad we have Obama rather than McCain, but don't ask me to cheerlead for this administration when it obviously doesn't represent me.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:02 PM
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6. Yep. Repukes aren't the only ones who've been caught sneaking up behind S-Security with a big knife
Lots of young political aspirants drank the Reagan Kool-Aid in the 80s and 90s and some of them infiltrated our party. Way high up.

Events of the past 2 years should have caused them to reevalute their corporatist dogma, but that Kool-Aid is some stubborn stuff. As long as you say you like it, people with money will keep funding you and advancing your career. Even with the whole pyramid crashing down you might still get to the top. Under dire circumstances like these, those people will need your loyalty in office more than ever.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:03 PM
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8. The inevitable looms ominous
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:10 PM
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10. We need to be as active, as vigorous, and as persistent
as the right-wing is. Notice how they don't back down, whether they have a majority or not?

Thank you for another great post; yours are some of the most consistently substantive on DU, and I appreciate them.

I've been saying, repeatedly, since the opening bell of the '08 primary season, that Obama is a DLC wet dream. I won't argue with the determination to defeat McCain/Palin, but going into THIS Democratic era with eyes blinded by enthusiasm for "change" is a dangerous position to be in.

What is the Democratic Party going to stand for? Neoliberal values? For labor, for civil rights, for people? What?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 01:40 PM
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23. The right wing never backs down, you are right.
We need to stand firmly for Democratic ideals, not let the DLC wing control the rhetoric any longer.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 10:48 PM
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42. We need to support Democrats who are promoting Democratic ideal and legislation, and dump the Dems
who are not.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:18 PM
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12. K&R
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:26 PM
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13. I think education is going to be the next battle
And there will be plenty of people here at DU happy to push the school privatization agenda, regardless of whatever flowery language it gets dressed up in.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:32 PM
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15. I am bruised because of my posts supporting public education at DU
They have done a magnificent job of changing words, switching language on us....but it is still privatization.

I feel there is no intention of staying with public education. I also feel that we are on the way to Medicare and Social Security being private. The words "universal savings accounts" have already passed Obama's lips.

I think education is done, because Duncan is already holding back money from states that cross him and his agenda.

As a retired teacher, it breaks my heart.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:43 PM
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17. Education is a trickier topic.
Because there are so many differences from state to state, county to county, district to district.

You and I have battled over charter schools, for example, but in fairness to us both charter schools are not the same everywhere you go.

I think of you whenever I encounter one and am sure to ask how it's funded and how students are selected.

Most of the ones I work with (and this doesn't necessarily represent all CA charters) use ADA and draw from at-risk and low-income demographics.

But I digress.

Health Care pretty much sucks universally around this country, it's easier to discuss and to rally together.

:pals:

Recommended.

NYC_SKP
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 07:20 PM
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32. And I thank you for all your posts
on Education - you have done a great job and a service to the community - please don't stop - maybe it will sink in, especially the members with school age kids.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 07:49 PM
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34. Thanks. I don't understand why parents accept so much testing done on their kids?
Some is needed, but it is out of control.
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 08:14 PM
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36. I think it has to do with a lot
of indifference on the parents part - they think they know what they are doing. My son in first grade was taking six tests a week - 4 reading, 1 math and 1 spelling. The stress on him (he didn't turn 7 until the end of the year) was intolerable. Thankfully we had a good teacher that allowed him to do all of his homework the weekend before, just so we could concentrate on the tests. What we learned in second grade was he didn't retain most of the spelling he did in first, that was because there was no back up to those tests in the form of usage. So all last year we were playing catch up. My son is a smart boy, but there are limits here - and having two working parents and less than three hours a night to get homework done, dinner and baths before a bedtime at 8:00 was grueling.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 09:42 PM
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38. I taught 2nd grade for many years.....all that was starting in when I retired.
They were putting the pressure on us as teachers to demand more and more...and the word was that homework hours impressed the public and made a school look good.

The testing was getting into full gear the year I retired. I drove away from school that day and never went back. Not even to substitute when they called.

There is no thought for the children now....just pressure to make things "look" busy.

The end product now is testing, not learning. Some teachers try to beat the system, but they get slammed for it.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 10:41 PM
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41. Agreed, definitely a great service to our community. K&R nt
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 01:05 PM
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19. Public education has been under attack by right wing and racism helped them . . .
move that attack --

PLUS, seems that for decades CIA money was hidden in school budgets so Congress

didn't always know how much they were actually allocating for public education --

and GOP reply would always be "throwing money at education" solves nothing!

Nice set up for failure --

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 04:28 PM
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54. Under attack since the 80s, really. And our party not defending it.
It's been like a battering ram used on teachers, with no one stepping in to defend them.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 09:40 AM
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56. I was wondering about why the unions have allowed no child
left behind?
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:28 PM
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14. K&R
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:39 PM
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16. Now, do you understand when I say a Conservative is a Conservative
whether a D or R is behind the name.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 01:03 PM
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18. DLC is a sickness in the Democratic Party -- and the White House now -- !!!
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Mixopterus Donating Member (568 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 01:43 PM
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24. Yep
Libertarianism is a sickness of the mind.
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 01:05 PM
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20. K&R! n/t
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 01:11 PM
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21. On guard definitely, on attack very probably. nt
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 04:46 PM
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28. We will have to fight back on it.
But I fear we won't. The propaganda through the years by the Heritage Foundation plus the DLC fellows...has been very effective.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 06:24 PM
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31. You never know :) nt
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:33 PM
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26. Unfortunately....
most young people don't know or care what Medicare is...and they won't until they have to foot the medical bills of their parents. They don't know how it gave seniors a sense of self-worth in 1965.

Most young people don't understand that the elderly in our country were given a life line in 1935 with Social Security. They won't understand unless it is turned into something less than secure, and they have financial consequences.

And really most people don't know the difference in a real public education and charter schools that are stepping stones away from traditional public school.

So it wouldn't be hard to change these things that are not really understood anymore because our party has let the Republicans define them.
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booley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 11:37 AM
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51. That explains a bit
A lot of young people don't understand things like Medicare and other social programs and I think that's the point.

To make sure coming generations don't feel invested so these programs can be killed more easily.

Create universal health care and the cons work becomes that much harder.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 05:39 PM
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29. DLC ...charter schools and mayors
The charter schools in our area have mostly Republicans on the board. One is a right wing Christian who thinks abortion is murder, who believes in creationism, and I could go on. I know them and could go down the line and quote their right wing tendencies. Yet they are running the charter school system here.

Our mayor is against birth control for women, believe in creationism, despises gays.

How would you feel about someone like that running the school system?????


http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=139&subid=273&contentid=252608

"One innovative approach to expand the range of charter school authorizers is to allow mayors to charter public schools in their cities. As a skilled workforce and quality schools become increasingly important to cities' economic health and their ability to attract a stable population of families, mayors across the country are looking for ways to improve their city's schools. Allowing more mayors to authorize public charter schools has a number of benefits:

# Mayors can use charter schools to directly improve the quality of public education opportunities in their communities and provide high-quality options for students who are struggling in traditional public schools. This is particularly helpful because poorly performing schools tend to be concentrated in urban communities.

# Allowing mayors to authorize public charter schools can expand opportunities for new charter schools to open.

# Since mayors are responsible for a number of services within a jurisdiction, including transportation, safety, health, and facilities, they are well situated to coordinate and respond to the needs of charter schools and their students. Accessing these types of services and resources is often a challenge for charter schools. "
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 06:06 PM
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30. K&R to help expose the fifth column.
:kick: & R

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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 07:57 PM
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35. Isn't this the same philosophy of Rahm's brother who is advising
Obama on health care legislation, i.e. to privatize Medicare, etc.?
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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 08:23 PM
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37. Thanks for refreshing the memories of those who may have forgotten
The DLC is truly an evil collection of Corporatists and free market capitalists. They are no more Democratic than is Iraq's new "Democracy" shoved down their throats at the end of a gun barrel.

The DLC is the crew that brought us Combined Animal Feeding Operations, Genetically Modified Food intoduced into the American food supply without adequate testing. The insertion of Corporate cronies into the regulatory agencies of the USDA, FDA, and EPA. They brought us NAFTA. They toyed with the immature process of manipulating the DOJ, and started the ball rolling with H1-B abuse by the major corporations that eventually drove all of our jobs offshore.

The fact that the DLC so quickly resumed control after the election is a trubute to their utter stupidity. They actually think that people are so stupid that they wouldn't notice the same old faces shambling around the government corridors.

I am ashamed of Obama, and my vote for him. Maybe if he had accomplished Health Care Reform before selling out so utterly to the DLC and their Corporate masters, I could have cut him some slack, but he didn't.

At this point, Obama looks a little lost, especially when he Compares Fed Ex and UPS quality to the crappy U.S. Postal Service in a feeble attempt to defend competition. It's almost like his scriptwriters have taken a long lunch, and he's struggling to think up stuff on his own.

The re-appointment of Michael Taylor to the USDA was the last straw. It was such a stealthy appoinment, that the news didn't get confirmed for nearly 3 days. To add insult to injury, their is only one Propaganda piece that praises this Monsanto insider's appointment for the most uninformed reasons on earth.

The DLC screwed the pooch with that one, and we now know that Corporation money is king, and we are thrown under the bus.

The reality of this turn of events is pretty disturbing to most of us that are conscious enough to watch the power grab and see it for what it is.

I had really hoped that I could ethically end my boycot of the rat race, and put my talents back to work, but the reality is that there is no change. We are reliving and slightly rebranded Dubya administration, with a new, corrupt set of cast members.

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scentopine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 10:08 PM
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39. Thanks for this great post -
I wrote this in reply to another post, but it seems appropriate here. The same free market hawks are drooling over the new revenue opportunities to be made on sick people. They want to buy and sell your flesh and blood just as they would a penny stock. There is a quick buck to be made before it all hits the fan, and the working class will bail them out again in a few years.

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Apparently it was a tie election. Watch as the republican and democratic conservatives who brought you

Banking deregulation failure #1 (S&L a mere 80 or 90 billion),
Iraq failure #2 (a trillion or so and climbing, 100,000 dead),
Energy deraegulation failure #1 (Enron - 60 billion in value, cost to US unknown but approx 10 to 20 billion),
Banking deregulation failure #2 (How many trillion?)
Torture (priceless)
Wiretapping (grrrr)

Now they set their sights on health care "reform". We'll meet again in 4 years at the cross roads of another traitorous pillaging of the treasury at the larger expense of the nation's well being. The people who argue to sit back and watch Obama work his magic will be long gone, the consequences of doing nothing will last for generations.







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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 10:22 PM
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40. "Drooling" is a very good word.
Yes, they are.
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 11:05 PM
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43. Now you search way back to 1997 and even 1995...
......to find negative stuff about Democrats? How far are you willing to go to find "information" that in your mind discredits Democrats?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 11:13 PM
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44. I go further back than that.
Why don't you start a thread about how bad I am, instead of tracking me.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 03:45 PM
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75. It's a perfectly reasonable post
Most of the same people that were players back then are still important people today.
People like Evan Bayh and Al From haven't changed their positions on many of these issues and we should be grateful they failed.
People need to be reminded that the DLC and Blue Dogs often support policies that are more beneficial to corporations at the expense of ordinary citizens.
When Al From, Joe Lieberman and Evan Bayh go away completely then maybe your post would have some relevance.
As long as they're around fighting for the 'Corporate Personhoods' then threads like this one (that you're whining about) are important.

I guess you're just one of those people who think what happened last week is irrelevant -- we should only look to the future.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 11:16 PM
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45. Damn, Great Catch madfloridian!
:headbang: :yourock: :fistbump: :pals: :patriot: :applause: :woohoo:
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 11:56 PM
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46. Thank you for the informative post.
It comes on a day that started out on an encouraging note with Rep. Weiner so eloquently making the case for Medicare for all.

Thank goodness we have some true progressives left.
We need to support them and defeat the traitors.





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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 12:05 AM
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47. Yes, we do have some great progressives.
We need to empower them.
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PM Martin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 12:30 AM
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48. Kick
The US needs to be a little more like Canada.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 10:46 AM
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50. One of your best posts ever MadFL, wish I could rec again. nt
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 11:49 AM
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52. The thought means a lot.
:hi:
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 04:40 PM
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55. Thanks, madfloridian, for all the info you post about the DLC.
Never ceases to amaze me how these republican corporatists manage to retain any power at all in the Democratic Party.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 11:12 PM
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57. Keeping This Kicked
It is worthy of another look.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 03:23 PM
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74. OK...
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Hidden Stillness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 01:20 AM
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58. This is a Deeply Disturbing Situation
This is a very threatening and disturbing situation, and can't just be easily thought away. The "D"LC, so hugely unpopular, was never dislodged from its control of the Democratic Party--no matter how clear the last several election results were, no matter how clear the polls were/are, that people want populist Government, that they feel the Government ignores all our issues, that they hate and are sick of corporations controlling legislatures and laws, that they feel corporate greed and corruption is destroying our country--nothing the people think matters! There they all still are, colluding with their corporate associates and "Republican friends."

There were threads on DU a few years ago on Rahm Emanuel, then still in Congress, proposing with the Bush Admin. plans to commercialize Social Security as some kind of "savings account" and have it managed by Wall Street brokers, then Obama names Emanuel as Chief of Staff. Then Geithner and Summers, of all corrupt financial deregulators--and Emanuel was a financial-industry investor, too--and then the Clintons all back in power by way of Obama. Then suddenly secret deals with pharmaceutical corporations, Wall St. brokers, and Republicans. After an entire campaign of pretended "change"--duping people who to this day accuse anyone criticzing Obama of being a "racist"--no matter how clear it is now that Obama was/is a fraud, corporate "D"LC, it just starts to seem more and more that no matter what anyone seems like anymore, they will end up being a corporate connection and mouthpiece, and "D"LC.

The actual Democratic Party is still being squeezed to death, all the same, no matter what changes appear to be happening in society. It will still always be "D"LC, and corporations. You can't get rid of them or dislodge them from their entrenched place of power! Howard Dean couldn't do it, elections of people masquerading as populists didn't do it. The more you think about it, and the reports of the "Obama team" targeting populist Democrats in the House now, the more it is very disturbing and depressing. How do you stop it, when opposition of the majority, isn't enough?
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 01:29 AM
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59. K & R Mad keep exposing these frauds
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Agony Donating Member (865 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 07:14 AM
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61. kick myself in the ass and K&R too
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 10:24 PM
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62. Kick +
Inconvenient truths about the New Democrats, the Third Way, Democratic Leadership Council, etc (started 3-7-08)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2973191
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 10:03 AM
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63. ^^^
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 10:13 AM
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65. Arne Duncan is still squarely with the DLCers on education.
He's all about pay-for-performance, charters, and privatizing education (with corporate charters).
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 10:11 PM
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66. .
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 12:32 PM
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67. Good afternoon-kick
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 12:42 PM
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68. K&R
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:19 PM
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69. To hell with the DLC & Rahm. Recommended.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:04 PM
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70. This is worth keeping kicked, again and again...
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:58 PM
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71. What this really means is that Wall Street wanted all that taxpayer money to siphon off
Can you imagine what would have happened last year if Medicare and SS been in the market? All that money for health care and retirement would have gone the way of all the other 401Ks and pensions invested in the market.

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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 02:26 AM
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72. .
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 02:39 AM
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73. they still want to privatize all three. so do the pugs. because the ruling class wants to privatize.
so privatize it will be, even if not called so by name.

just like reagan drove a stake through the heart of social security & pimped it as "reform" & "saving social security".
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