The terrorists among us.

[Gman2]

The now trend of carrying arms to political events, is to my mind, terrorism. The carriers are there to send a message to us all. they have the guns and ammo. They will herd us with them if we get outta hand, in a socialist kinda way. Or ignore them. The purchasers of the ammo and guns shortly after our first Black pres was hired, are by and large against liberal advances, no matter how they are stopped. Lies, slander, hate are just tools. So are their guns. The trend of bringing guns to citizen gatherings, is clearly to cause us to fear. And possibly, to detract from other more pressing dangers. The message, to all the solid citizens is, too dangerous to be politically active. Better not push the envelope, or the gun loons will come get us.

If I see a gun loon at a meeting, I will go to them loudly, and call them unamerican. It will be very forceful. If the police stop it, so much the better. If they draw, I will disarm them and turn them in to the police. This will NOT continue, if I have anything to say about it. I think all able bodied men should do likewise. Any gun loon should be shamed. And their reactions recorded. If they have angry people in their faces, they will have to choose to either leave them at home, or draw. Screw guns improving civility. I will not cower. I hereby declare that I will force any gun loon to act. There will only be one incident.

[FLDCVADem]

1. Utterly ridiculous n/t

[fascisthunter]

2. Exactly

[Gman2]

5. What part.?

Facing gun loons loudly? Making them choose to flee, or show how ridiculous it is to think you can protect yourself with a gun in public? To make them act, or speak, or justify themselves, or draw, or whatever they have in mind? I think it would be very informative, to show just how impotent a guy with a gun is. How is a gun going to help, unless you draw? A gun is an impediment. You cannot argue with a gun strapped to you. I wish the whole crowd would boo themn outta the place. Barring that, I will force the issue. Before they, or someone overlooked because of them, does something that will certainly scar this nation.

[fascisthunter]

8. I was in agreement with your description(terrorists)

Their use of a weapon at these events is nothing more than intimidation, to strike terror into the minds of the people there and the politicians.

As for a solution: I'll go with people booing them out! Those carrying guns are not there for debate or a solution. They are there to prevent the democratic process.

[RoccoR5955]

3. If they have to shoot me, I will disarm them.

One way or another. If they shoot me and injure me, I will sue them for all that they are worth, as well as see that they are locked up for assault. If they shoot me dead, they will be in jail for murder, and my family will sue them for all their worth.
The only way these bastards learn is if they get hurt, and hurt badly.

[Gman2]

7. They dont have to shoot me. They have to endure my free speech.

If they cannot endure my free speech, with a gun strapped to them, they should not be allowed to carry. Simple really.

[aikoaiko]

4. you don't have to be an a-hole in order to show them you are not afraid.

Just continue to proudly support your President and a progressive agenda.

Simply carrying a gun does not make a loon.

[Gman2]

6. Bullfuck. Simply carrying to a presidential speech, makes you insane, or agenda driven.

[aikoaiko]

13. Don't be surprised when you're arrested for disorderly conduct.

and being laughted at.

[MineralMan]

10. He'll just be exercising his First Amendment rights.

I have the same attitude. The morons who believe they can intimidate people with open carry at functions like this, where their firearms are useless, do not believe in the First Amendment. So, it is a worthwhile exercise to engage in free speech in that situation.

Now, if I were to do it, I would not shout at the moron. Instead, I would ask pointed questions about who he things is going to do something from which he needs to defend himself. I would ask him what his reasons for carrying at a public political even were. I would continue to ask these questions, and others, until he answered or left. I would not call him names. I would not be threatening in any way. I would simply question him relentlessly, using my freedom of speech in a public place to demonstrate his stupidity in bringing firearms to a peaceful gathering.

Since he would have a policeman or two near him, as has been the case in these incidents, he would have to listen to me exercise my freedom of speech or leave. It is that simple.

There are two amendments in play. I would choose to rely on the First. He could not use the arms he was bearing under the Second.

Speech beats arms.

[Gman2]

12. Right-o

The spectacle of a guy with a gun being bombarded with questions, and not being able to do anything about it with a gun, will go viral. It would inspire many to stand tall. To tell brownshirts to fuck off.

[aikoaiko]

15. Sure, you wouldn't shout, but the OP would and he would get arrested.

for disorderly conduct.

As you say, you are free to engage anyone in reasonable discussion. I'm not sure you're questions would have much an effect, but have at it.

[horseshoecrab]

16. Carrying . . .

to an event where the President of the United States is appearing is an extremist act. Not just the president - but those who've come to hear him speak - are endangered.

We have lived through a number of assassinations in this country in my lifetime. It's not as if this is unthinkable.

I don't see how we can allow the carrying of guns at a presidential event. If it continues to be allowed then I think that it's a safe bet to say that there is a perverse and extremist agenda being introduced to the mainstream.

horseshoecrab

[Edweird]

9. Idiotic.

1) Just as many of us are armed as they are, despite what the echo chamber may convince you of. 'Liberal' and 'gun owner' are NOT mutually exclusive.

2) If you attack someone with a gun and they defend themselves, lawfully, you have accomplished NOTHING positive for yourself, your family or your political party. In the state I live in, if you act in self defense, you are automatically IMMUNE from civil lawsuits. You may be putting yourself in a position where someone will justifiably shoot you (or just flat out kick your ass) and you could be left will no recourse.

[Gman2]

11. If you attack someone with a gun? I am going to tell them what I think!

A gun has no effect on stopping someone from saying things you dont like. And the spectacle of it will ring forever.

[Edweird]

14. It sounded like you were going to get physically confrontational.

"I hereby declare that I will force any gun loon to act." That sounded, to me anyway, physical.

If all you are going to do is 'say mean things', then you have nothing to worry about. You shouldn't be able to 'talk' them into drawing on you.

But, you ARE playing right into it by making an issue of it. If I were the guy with the gun, I would just stand there and smile at you while you gave yourself an aneurysm. You still lose.

[Gman2]

18. They can reply back, they can run, they can draw.

Either way, it will be shown how impotent a gun is, in a crowd. IFFFFFFFFFFFFFF, you dont draw. If they drew, that would be instant gun control. Face their guns now or later.

[Edweird]

23. I appreciate that you are standing up for what you believe.

For that I give you mad props.

I don't, however, get exactly what it is you expect to accomplish.

Good luck.

[Gman2]

27. Imagine, a man berating another man for bringing a gun around a crowd, and children.

And that man having absolutely NO advantage. And you KNOW they arent very bright. The sight of an armed man losing a battle of wits, and either leaving, or enduring it, would send a message to all the other halfwits. You might look foolish in front of many. If we dont stop this, they are going to flood the place with guns. And truly put a pale on democracy.

[Edweird]

30. Wrong. He does have an advantage. He's 'gotten under your skin'.

He is acting lawfully and exercising his rights. (I think it's wholly inappropriate, FWIW) You are verbally assaulting this guy. You end up looking like an unhinged nutbag that 'hates our freedoms'. I suspect that has a lot to do with why Obama is playing it cool. The guy with a gun is a trap. No matter what you do, you lose. At least, that's how I see it.

YMMV.

[Gman2]

31. There are going to be thousands of traps soon. How are you going to control all of the traps?

[vincna]

17. How does the old adage go?

Never argue with an jerk; after a while bystanders will have a problen telling you apart. You're going to deal with an asshole by being a bigger one. Brilliant.

[Gman2]

19. How about we coddle them. How about we let them run us.

[Gman2]

20. Why would anyone evil need to sneak a gun in? Just grab the nearest assualt rifle from a gun loon!

[proteus_lives]

21. Show me were it is against the law.

Wow, so this is terrorism now? :eyes:

"If they draw, I will disarm them and turn them in to the police." :rofl: Did you flex in front of the mirror after typing that sentence?

[Gman2]

22. The truth is, I could. I have disarmed knives and whips. tireirons.

and a hatchet.

[vincna]

24. You must be a real piece of work - nt

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[X_Digger]

25. And when you 'disarm' this guy..

.. and the police drop 'the guy waving around a gun', we'll cry for you. Really.

[proteus_lives]

26. Heh.

"The truth is, I could. I have disarmed knives and whips. tireirons."

What kind of guns were they carrying?

:rofl:

[Gman2]

28. I would rather disarm a gun than a knife.