Is it starting to look to you as though we need some way with Co-ops or with a Public Option to hold

[patrice]

their feet to the fire. Meet our benchmarks in a certain amount of time or switch to Single Payer.

[Walk away]

1. I don't understand. What are you talking about?

Co-ops have failed in the past and are destined to fail again. Are you saying that co-ops are the same or on a par with a strong public option or are you against both. They are completely different things.

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3. I am a Single Payer supporter worried that they are going to sell a soft Public Option or

some Co-op BS. Thinking plan B here; what if the worst happens?

Whatever the do, they're going to Blue Sky us about how well it will work and then let it die if it doesn't work right and we'll be back to square one, or actually back to 0, because failure will handicap another attempt worse than this time.

Kucinich has that amendment on the table to attach to whatever goes down to let the states have their own votes on Single Payer.

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2. Let's just demand single payer.

Anybody who has had to buy a car or sell one, knows how this works. When the bartering is done, the price is decided on and that might be the the public option. The coop is an insurance company sell out and belongs on the ground with the dead battery being exchanged for a good one.

[patrice]

4. I don't see Co-ops providing the degree of cost cutting that would allow inclusion of Preventative

and Complementary Medicine and Therapeutic services not currently covered.

[Walk away]

5. Maybe because the president has already said he was not...

advocating it. We will be lucky to see any kind of public option and if we get co-ops instead then we have failed.

However, you are free to demand anything you would like. It's a free country.

[patrice]

6. Just sayin' we need some way of evaluating whatever we end up with for identifying if it

does what they are going to claim it will and what to do if it doesn't provide the coverage and expansion in services.

[Walk away]

7. I think it will be the republicans making the decisions if this...

HCR bill fails to deliver. Do you really think the Dems can hold power if they can't keep this promise. Doubt it.

[patrice]

8. I don't know why evaluation can't be part of whatever bill is passed, thusly NOT leaving it up to

Republicans should the Democrats lose power.

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9. The point being, they're going to pump a whole heck of a lot of blue sky at us no matter

what they do and we need to be able to audit them on what they say.