Anyone keeping count? How many foaming-at-the-mouth DU rants have been touting GOP talking points?

[Buzz Clik]

Day after day we are treated to the "fuck the Dems!" outrage because of one thing or another, yet it ends up to be based on GOP bullshit.

One of our current greatest is such a thread.

It's more than just infiltration by Freepers; we really are that stupid.

[WeDidIt]

1. Kathleen Sebelius is a Republican?

Her words were Republican talking points?

Coulda fooled me.

:shrug:

[FarPoint]

2. I really am clueless......

I prefer to be resistant to the food fighting joust.

[BlooInBloo]

3. Yep. They're showing themselves.

[Laelth]

4. You rightly note that the "screw the D Party" threads have been rampant of late.

That's probably because the Party is really ticking off its base right now, and this is where most of the online base hangs out.

DU - proud home to the democratic wing of the Democratic Party.

:dem:

-Laelth

[OHdem10]

16. I am from the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party.

Yes, I am angry at the Democrats in Washington and believe
you me I have posted my displeasure with them. Hope that
does not make me a Freeper.

If I may say this, in all respect, I do believe we make
excuses for and accept excuses from those in DC. Now,
at the moment I believe we are being played.

Let's hope I get my angries out and will be nicer tomorrow.

[Maru Kitteh]

37. Too much of it though is from the transparent Obama haters who

have never had one single good thing to say about the President to begin with. They're not the recently disappointed. For them, the condition is chronic, and I'd guess they're not likely the Democratic wing of anything, either.

[Taverner]

5. I too ask, is Kathleen Sebelius a Republican?

[Cleita]

12. In the fifties she would have been as well as the rest of the DLCers.

Those Blue Dogs and DLCers are business conservatives favoring capitalism and anathema to social programs, who couldn't stomach Reagan/Bush style politics so they became Democrats. We need to identify our social Democrats and build a coalition within the Democratic Party to take it back. We lost a lot of Progressives to the Green Party and that weakened our position within the Party.

[billh58]

6. Too many to count

or to track, but then again it's Sunday and daddy's computer is available...;-)

[crazy_vanilla]

7. pluralism of opinion, remember?

we can not close our eyes to problems just because ...

we need to discuss problems and not sweep the under the rug

it doesn't mean that anyone who has expressed a concern is a "freeper"

we are all thinking people here

[MannyGoldstein]

8. Example, Please?

Of course, you realize that it's perfectly acceptable for people with multiple points of view to recognize the same actual facts, no?

[Taitertots]

9. All the rants I have seen

are people mad because Obama has abandoned the cause. We are complaining because he is not doing enough, not because he is doing to much. We are saying "fuck the dems" because even with control over the government, they refuse to enact the progress we elected them for promising.

[jody]

13. Like all recent presidents, they start running for re-election the moment they win and that takes on

momentum every day until the next election.

Dubya did that immediately with Rice as his companion and IMO they were campaigning so hard they ignored clear threats of the pending disaster now known as 9/11.

[Taitertots]

15. Except Bush running for re-election meant

pandering to the corporate interests who support him, at the expense of the populace.

Obama running for re-election should be fulfilling the promises he made to the populace who supported him.

[jody]

18. "pandering to the corporate interests who support him, at the expense of the populace"! I hope Obama

isn't doing that.

[Taitertots]

20. That is what Bush did n/t

[Cleita]

10. I haven't been keeping track but my ignore list has increased

substantially.

[MrScorpio]

11. I'm afraid that this thread might get locked, but I have a different take

We're frustrated.

The Winger/Insurance Industry/MSM marriage is taking its toll and the whole process is threatening to run off the tracks.

A few folks are expressing a "Well, you don't want our help, then FUCK YOU" outburst.

It's not easy trying to help people who can't even help themselves when there's a ton of money and agi-prop against us.

We need to recover, organize and retake the fight.


Democratic Party majorities better work for something.

[annabanana]

38. +1 . . . n/t

[Zix]

14. GOP talking points?

Which ones?

[Leopolds Ghost]

17. "It is the obligation of the citizen to prove he has insurance. If we can't force the freeloaders"

"Then we can't have decent health care. It's not the responsibility of employers, or highly profitable insurers, or hospitals, or the State to provide health care to the underemployed or uninsured. It is the responsibility of the individual to prove he can pay for it." "I envision the day when people will be required to show proof of insurance at a JOB INTERVIEW."

Like that?

[orleans]

19. now who in the world were you quoting? link? n/t

[Leopolds Ghost]

24. The first one is a common sentiment expressed by support for the current bill

Since that is all it does, and when that is pointed out to people, they quickly resort to saying these things outright. It is echoed by the quote during the Campaign where officials (including Clinton) called the underemployed / uninsured "freeloaders" -- implying they were the scapegoats responsible for the current health care crisis by decreasing the pool of insured people, thereby making it impossible for highly profitable insurance companies to insure existing Americans with insurance, which is the premise of the current plan.

The second is a direct quote from Clinton during the campaign

(remember, Obama was asked to adopt Clinton/Edwards' and the Brookings Institution proposal, aka the Massachusetts plan, to fix health care by forcing the demand-side thereby injecting more money into the health insurance industry, which was written by health insurance lobbyists in think tank back in 2000 as an alternative to "stave off single-payer", as a condition of Hillary dropping out of the race. that is why Daschle, a former industry lobbyist, was supposed to be HHS secretary, because his wing of the lobbyists supported the "Massachusetts plan" enacted by Mitt Romney.)

Remember when they were going on about health insurance lobbyists reconsidering Health Care reform and how they were pushing the Massachusetts model -- before it was enacted by Mitt Romney -- among Dem-affiliated centrist think tanks on the premise that "the alternative is single payer and we have to get out in front of that" So they worked directly with guys at the Brookings Institution starting back in 2000 to write the math that is the basis for the current plan, which envisions 80% of the uninsured being pressured to buy private health insurance, 15% qualifying for existing government "last resort" programs such as Medicaid that are not offered as an entitlement but are strictly means based, and 5% being fined to pay for tax breaks and the like to for-profit hospitals to lower the cost of coverage by guaranteeing their profit margins. Employers would not be touched (which is probably just as well because any gov't program to force employers to offer health care would probably be engineered to enrich big corps and further weaken small businesses, and basically remove the last remaining leg out from the union movement instead of strengthening it by taking the expense of paying protection money to the insurers off the backs of employers and unions).

[Sebastian Doyle]

21. Bottom Line: If you support anything LESS than a TRUE Public Option

You shouldn't call yourself a Democrat, and you damn sure shouldn't be associated with anything called an "underground".

[billh58]

39. Just to play

Devil's advocate for a second, what if a bill was brought to the floor that ONLY provides help with health insurance for those living below the poverty level, and their children? Would you oppose it just because it did not include a "public option" for everyone?

[Sebastian Doyle]

41. The Devil has enough advocates. (DLC, Blue Balled Cowards, Insurance corporations)

A corporate "solution" to subsidize coverage for the poor would only shift those costs to the working class, because the greedy assed CEO's sure as Hell aren't taking any pay cuts.

Why not just cut the insurance corporations out of the loop entirely, cut the admin costs to a mere fraction, and repeal the tax cuts for the rich (preferably back to Eisenhower era levels, but at LEAST to pre-Reagan numbers) to pay for it all. Why continue to coddle the top 1% (including insurance company CEO's) at the expense of the rest of us, when people are DYING?

[billh58]

43. My comment only

addressed a "what if," and not ways to fund it. I believe that President Obama has already adequately identified various ways to fund HC reform, by slightly increasing taxes on those with incomes in excess of $250K, reduction of admin costs, etc.

Don't get me wrong, I support a full public option component, but am willing to take a reduced public option scheme if it only covers those in our society with the most need. I am on Medicare, and am quite happy with my current coverage.

[opihimoimoi]

22. The GOP is saying NO to 51,000,000 Americans health Care...?? Profits before Charity is it?

They have no idea what they are doing....throwing 50 mill under the bus and laughing about it

Cruel and something Gross about them Bully Pubs

[Leopolds Ghost]

28. All this plan does is legally require those 50M to "comply" w/existing health care insurance policys

Even the "public option" would essentially be operated by the industry as a niche market alternative for individuals who can prove they don't deserve to be fined for their "freeloading" and "irresponsible underemployment".

Just like CREDO Mobile was set up as a niche in order to allow a mobile phone merger, or MakingHomeAffordable.gov was set up as a private nonprofit designed to hook up "freeloaders" who can't pay their mortgage with industry-approved HUD certified counselors, who then negotiate on their behalf, in many cases with the very banks who fund the mortgage counseling industry. There is no gov't program to fund independent, professional mortgage counselors to help people avoid foreclosure, and they contracted out the FORWARDING service to a private party. Think about that for a minute. And that is for Americans who are considered "full measure of citizenship", i.e. homeowners who have credit. Even a plan with a public option would be structured in such a fashion because there is no political will in urban democratic circles for anything to the left of Reagan now.

[opihimoimoi]

32. They have to work at it, hammer it out, its still in progress....for the GOP to say NO is Selfish an

apathetic

If the present proposal doesn't cover the 50 mil adequately, then find a way to do it...

A Healthy Nation is a strong nation

[BobRossi]

23. How many 'Bots' spewing freeperisms dressed as Dem talking points? nt

[emulatorloo]

25. Tomorrow there will be a clarification, and the storm will be over

This is typical of DU.

[placton]

26. Please spare me

When you have devoted 5 decades of your life, supporting JFK and every Dem for every office since, then you can talk. I am not a troll, or freeper, so shut your lying mouth. My party is being shamelessly bad right now - from the Prez on down. I worked for him, donated to him, and voted for him. I have a right to call bullshit - and I am gonna. I start to wonder who the freepers are here - the ones accused like me, or the ones accusing?

[jody]

29. You and I have similar histories. P.S. Sen. JFK gave the commencement address at my graduation.

:hi:

[katandmoon]

27. What a crock

[Stinky The Clown]

30. I unrec-ed this thread. Here's why:

The rants that I've seen from DU long timers have been fact based. The particularly strong rants from posters unknown to me, I discount.

Whether you or I agree with them is another matter.

[butterfly77]

31. That's because many who post here are Repubs...

some are probably a lot of your rightwing talking heads you see and hear on tv and radio. They are full of shit and come her to stir up some stank...

[opihimoimoi]

33. + 1 .......Having no creds, they set out to make Bully sabotagesque

trouble making

They supposed to be The Party of COUNTRY FIRST

Yeah,,,, they blew that one....

[Political Heretic]

34. Really? GOP talking points huh? Which GOP is demanding single-payer?

:shrug:

[Buzz Clik]

35. You figure that's the only rant at DU?

[Political Heretic]

36. No. I figure you have no specific examples to back up generalization

As per usual.

[donco6]

40. I've had my "Fuck the Dems" moments.

Who hasn't? So we're all Republican shills now?

[Lydia Leftcoast]

42. Single payer health care is a Republican talking point?

Who knew? :shrug:

[Leopolds Ghost]

45. Didn't you know? It's the camel's nose under the tent.

Like in the planning community: people who advocate for spending billions to build subway-style rapid transit are considered Republican trolls, out to defeat the local government's half-assed transit plans, because "everyone knows the Federal Government will never fund an investment of that magnitude, so pushing for it is merely a veiled attempt to defeat what's on the table, which we're only willing to fund, because it doesn't compete with the money we need for highways!"

Meanwhile, they're building a subway in Ulaanbataar, Mongolia... and probably have single payer... those wacky Mongolians!

And they have actual camels under their tent, too. So there you go.

And then next thing you know, you have elephants in your bedspread.

[laststeamtrain]

44. I count none. Oh, you're counting threads you don't like? Must be a lot of those.

But who gives a shit?

[Buzz Clik]

46. The current sentiment on this thread is about 50% agree with me strongly.

So, clearly it isn't just me.

But then, you don't give a shit, so I'm sorry I brought it up.

[Buzz Clik]

47. For those of you who missed the example given in the OP and demanded another:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8592883

Unless, of course, you think Matt Drudge touts left wing talking points.