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Zandor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 08:03 PM
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“Jewish Genius”
One of the most controversial and influential public intellectuals in American life is weighing in with a new theory on the roots of Jewish intelligence.

Charles Murray, famous for “The Bell Curve,” his book on the racial basis of intelligence, has published an article in this month’s Commentary, titled “Jewish Genius.” In the essay, Murray theorizes that the preponderance of very smart Jews throughout the ages can be traced back to evolutionary processes that began even before the destruction of the Second Temple in Jerusalem.

“There is reason to think that selection for intelligence antedates the 1st century C.E.,” writes Murray, a scholar at the conservative-leaning American Enterprise Institute. “From its very outset, apparently going back to the time of Moses, Judaism was intertwined with intellectual complexity.”...

http://www.forward.com/articles/bell-curve-scribe-mulls-roots-of-jews-br/

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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 08:04 PM
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1. "New" theory...
I remember discussing it in 1962 in Sunday School with Norman Stillman, now with University of Oklahoma.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 08:05 PM
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2. Oh great, this is the last thing we need
Why does this guy feel the need to glom on to us as a means of saving his pathetic career? "Oh, I know... I'll say something nice about the Jews to make up for that time I published that crappy book about why African Americans have a hard time in our society."

Thanks but no thanks. If he wants to make up for that crap he pulled before, he can start by retracting "The Bell Curve".
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 08:05 PM
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3. It's The Horns
Edited on Wed Apr-11-07 08:06 PM by Beetwasher
All my intelligence comes from my horns. That, and my big nose.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 08:06 PM
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4. mine is from my nose as well but i love to decorate my horns when i go to the
bank i own, it's next door to my media empire.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 08:07 PM
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6. Hey!
Get out of the way you shnerer! That's MY penny!
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 08:10 PM
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8. ROTFLMAO!
:rofl:

I always thought it was the Kippah...it holds the brain cells in so they can't escape.:rofl:
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 08:06 PM
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5. Are you the same guy...
that posted that article from "The Journal of Historical Review" earlier this morning?
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 08:09 PM
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7. well
since "The Bell Curve" has been thoroughly discredited, I'm not too inclined to put much credit in this, either.

Why post this here, btw?
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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 08:14 PM
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9. What a load.
Pseudo-science gone wild! Just remove your top and everyone so busy looking at the boobs on the surface that they missed the shallowness behind the boobs. (This is a major pun within a pun.):dem:
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 08:20 PM
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10. it's not even pseudo science, he based it on-are you ready for this
Murray acknowledges that his work is based more on historical impressions than on rigorous science, but it is already provoking debate in a corner of the intellectual world that tends to make Jews very uncomfortable: genetics.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 09:43 PM
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17. huh?
WTF? Jews are uncomfortable with genetics? Thats not Murray, thats the idiot writer of this piece. This is so much a subtle Jews are superior piece of propaganda (I am Jewish myself). I have too many relatives who already believe that non-Jews are not as smart, this piece does nothing to help the stereotypes of Jews. And that quote about genetics, that doesn't even make sense.
Once again some non-scientist shows his ignorance! :wtf:
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 08:29 PM
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11. Oh good, more ethnic stereotypes. nt
Edited on Wed Apr-11-07 08:29 PM by bemildred
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 09:14 PM
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12. His work is as perceptually and socially myopic now as ever
The Bell Curve is a laugh riot. This one will no doubt be just as funny.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 09:19 PM
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13. What is the evolutionary basis for conservative stupidity?
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 09:31 PM
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14. Inbreeding
It's all of the inbreeding that they do. :D

Personally, I DO think that Jewish people are smarter than average. That's why stupid people hate them. They're jealous. :D (P.S. I'm not Jewish...)
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nealmhughes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 09:36 PM
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16. Wanna meet my cousins Jerome and Howard?
Betcha won't think so then!
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 09:34 PM
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15. Koo-koo, Koo-koo, Koo-koo
(Done in best Stephanie Miller style)
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 09:44 PM
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18. shocking that AEI wants 2 support racial superiority rather than a cultural value of intellectualism
Edited on Wed Apr-11-07 09:47 PM by Bombtrack
Jews as well as many Asian immigrant groups place a much higher emphasis on analytical discipline, self criticism, and other academically supported building blocks for success in Western culture than Christians or other Goyim, per capita.

Whether it's the required reading-intensive religious requirements needed to be achieved at a young age or the fact that you don't have anyone telling you Jesus is more important than science (especially sciences like psychology) odds are you're going to be better prepared.

btw I used the word "racial" because it was short enough to fit my title. I know "Jews" are not a race in certain senses but they're also not not a race in others, such as the way this AEI bullshit study uses them.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 09:50 PM
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19. Are you trashing "Christians and other Goyim?"
one might think so....:eyes:
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 09:25 AM
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20. Cultural value
If one examines the cultural traditions of Judaism and Buddism, I think you will find that both cultures place a very high regard for the value of education. In the Buddist tradition, the teacher is one of the most hight ly regarded individuals in a community. In the Judaic tradition, the Rabbi (hebrew for teacher) is normally the most revered member of the community.
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 09:32 AM
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21. I read Mismeasure of Man a few weeks ago
I can only imagine what the late Stephen Jay Gould would say. The reprint of Mismeasure that I read included a whole intro and essay where Gould completely eviscerated The Bell Curve (and Gould nailed Murray on his ties to AEI).

I'm sure Stephen Gould is somewhere howling right now.
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