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newmac Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 11:48 AM
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A message to the Dems from George Lakeoff-- Must See
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livvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 11:58 AM
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1. Lakoff makes a lot of sense to me.
It is so simple really, "American Policy"...I like that. Thanks for posting.
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waiting Donating Member (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 12:23 PM
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7. he is so right!
We give people too much credit, clearly not all people are elightenment thinking types.

I am now going to spread the word about the American plan to stop huge companies from exploiting the American people with their use of the Triple D plan to profit from their suffering, Deny, Delay and Drop. This is how private insurance corporations make all their money.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 12:00 PM
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2. thanks for that, but the problem with all of that sort of advice is that there is NO comparable
forum in which such framing can take place

the reason the 'debates' over policy take the shape they do is that the M$M does not allow 'our' side the same depth and breadth of expression they give the lying liars

add to the fact that, as in the current (and previous) health care fiasco, the real issues are rarely, if ever, discussed, because, if they were, sanity would likely prevail

with a bought and paid for media, powerful corporate interests, control the debate, which consists mostly of manufactured, emotionally charged points of contention that are often so ludicrous they don't bare mention, yet overtake the political dialogue to the point of obfuscation of the real issues

sound familiar?

tea bags, anyone?

where's that nazi fascist communist illegal alien Muslim's birth certificate, anyway?

keep away from those death panels, unless you want to off your grandma and get her inheritance a few years early, before the nursing home takes it all
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 12:02 PM
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3. here's what I'm talking about:
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ContinentalOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 12:07 PM
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4. No forum!?
So the President of the United States has no voice!? So what are these good, well framed soundbytes and talking points that Democrats are using to try to sell universal healthcare that the media is just not covering? :shrug: The language has to exist in the first place before the media can ignore it!

Lakoff is always right and it drives me crazy that the new Democratic leadership haven't figured this out yet.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 12:19 PM
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6. that's right....compared to the forum available to the other side, even the president's 'forum'
Edited on Fri Aug-14-09 12:20 PM by Gabi Hayes
pales

David Brock best described it in his book "The Right Wing Noise Machine"

I agree that the dems are pathetic in their lack of understanding/employment of basic PR techniques, pioneered by the likes of Edward Bernays almost a hundred years ago, and honed to an adamantine edge by his acolytes, including monsters like Deaver, Nofziger, Rove, Luntz, Gingrich, Tim Phillips....the list goes on and on

dems don't get the idea that propaganda, as described by Bernays, can actually be used for 'good'.....it's a value neutral term, actually. too bad that it almost never works out to the benefit of the many

here's what I'm talking about, put in a much more coherent fashion:

Karl Rove & the Spectre of Freud’s Nephew
by Stephen Bender

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country… We are governed, our minds molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized… "

So opens Propaganda (1928), one of several strikingly frank analyses of western social psychology written by Edward Bernays. This nephew of Sigmund Freud founded the public relations industry in the United States.

Mr. Bernays lived a fascinating life. He first got involved in high stakes politics when he "warmed up" the dour Calvin Coolidge by arranging the first presidential celebrity photo op in 1928. For the private sector, Bernays engineered a most notorious publicity stunt for the American Tobacco Company, by single-handedly neutralizing the taboo against women smoking in public. He organized a "Torches of Freedom" march down Broadway by ten smoking debutantes during the 1929 Easter Parade. With the help of feminists – some of whom understood the "right to smoke" as libratory – Bernays expertly publicized this spectacle, thus setting in motion the expected stir on op-ed pages across the land.

For Bernays, truth in public affairs did not exist per se. Rather, truth was the product of the "public relations counsel" forging prevailing "public opinion." It should be said that he readily recognized the ethical implications of his work, as witnessed in his later anti-smoking advocacy, after the dangers of cigarettes became known in the late-1950s. He could also be, in his own curious way, a humanitarian – as reflected in his work promoting the NAACP and anti-syphilis public education.

For Bernays, however, the necessity of controlling the public mind was a crucially important matter confronting the better element, a group in which he clearly included himself. In his first work, the hugely influential Crystallizing Public Opinion (1923), Bernays noted that the establishment of public education and the gradual extension of the right to vote caused consternation among western elites. The use of public relations techniques, then, was a way for the minority to "so mold the mind of the masses that they will throw their newly gained strength in the desired direction."

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/bender2.html

more at link
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 12:28 PM
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9. The fascist allies of GOP didn't buy control of most broadcast media in 80s and 90s so debate could
be honest or even equal.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 12:32 PM
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11. of course...don't forget the real architects of all this:
Lewis Powell and William Simon

http://www.jceps.com/index.php?pageID=article&articleID=116

before they bought the rest of the media, they bought/created the 'think tanks'
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 12:35 PM
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12. You got that right!
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 12:10 PM
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5. Excellent.
"Ever had to wait for an authorization? Ever been denied an authorization?"
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 12:27 PM
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8. Now why would somebody unrec this
I wonder??
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JayMusgrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 12:32 PM
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10. There are trolls everywhere these days.
Edited on Fri Aug-14-09 12:34 PM by JayMusgrove
Even at the DU.

This is really good advice, good way to frame the debate.

This should go directly to Obama TODAY!!!!!!!!
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 12:39 PM
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13. gotta watch this later
leaving a bread crumb trail
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 12:51 PM
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14. Why aren't the leading Dems saying "there is a real villain out there"? Why aren't they pointing
Edited on Fri Aug-14-09 12:53 PM by Karmadillo
out the many, many bad actions of the health care industry? Is it just their belief in Enlightenment thinking? Anything el$e?
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brianfalldincom Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 01:15 PM
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15. Thanks for the recommendation.
Glad to see this ended up being viewed by a larger audience. Thanks NewMac.

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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 01:39 PM
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16. Thank you - just sent if off to the local OFA group
Hopefully they can work on getting the volunteers to work on their framing. I don't have much hope - the volunteer that called to remind me about the meeting tonight called the local office "Democrat Headquarters"!

At least a few of the people might see some of this info. Back in 2004-2005, I was the one who first showed the local Democratic Executive Committee George Lakoff's videos on framing. It may have helped a few people think more about how they handle issues.
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