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tucsonlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 10:46 PM
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H.R. 676 ~ READ IT!
Let's face it - The news on the health care reform front is growing more and more grim. And Congress has only itself to blame. Here's what they did - They decided that the bill's fundamentals; the legislation's basic provisions (like the small matter of a Public Option); well, those they could hash out "later". But, in the meantime, every Senator would be allowed to insert into the bill any little pet, goof-ball, extraneous addenda they pleased. And so they did. A thousand pages worth. A Thousand Pages Of What??

Any bill a thousand pages long is already, by its very nature, a failure. The President should tell Congress (nicely) to trash it.

Fortunately, however, if President Obama ordered the Senate to start over, they wouldn't have to start from scratch. They would need only to swallow their pride and embrace House Bill H.R. 676. Guaranteed - History would applaud them as Great American Heroes.
Anyhow, I felt this might be a good time to repost this OP from a few weeks ago:


Have You Actually READ House Bill H.R. 676?

Posted by tucsonlib in General Discussion
Sun Jul 26th 2009, 04:11 AM


I just did. Doesn't take long - It's concise, to-the-point and written in easily understood language. It addresses pretty much every pertinent issue. Hell, even the insurance company employees who might face potential job loss are taken into consideration.

http://johnconyers.com/hr676text

Read it, and then tell me, please - with the exception of a few corporate executives...

Why would ANY American, on the left or on the right, oppose this bill? What could ANY RATIONAL, DECENT HUMAN BEING FIND OBJECTIONABLE IN THIS BILL? Too simple? Too ethical? WHAT??

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 10:51 PM
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1. I thought they would understand this was too important.
Seems they don't understand much.

And this is why democracy is known as a terrible system of government, except when you consider all the others.

(Although I've been reading the Code of Hammurabi and those laws were concise. Which is what you get when only one opinion counts. Scary concision.)
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 11:29 PM
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2. There's the loss of all those campaign "contributions" to consider
and the lucarative lobbying jobs that won't be around if this were to pass.

I guess that would come under the heading of H.R. 676 being too ethical.

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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 11:40 PM
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3. I have since it was first put forward but it doesn't hurt to keep
it up front for those who haven't.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 11:54 PM
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4. I love it, rec'd. But they don't want to be heroes, they want power and they want money.
And some things are just too "disruptive" to their ideas to seem possible.

Still, you and John Conyers are soooo right.
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downeyr Donating Member (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 12:21 AM
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5. Is this really
the bill that is set to be voted on? I can't believe that after all those demonizations of health care reform we've seen from the right, this is what the right is up in arms against? I'm sorry, but I'm having trouble digesting this. I couldn't find one objectionable thing in there. THEY EVEN COVER DENTAL, for Christ's sake! Unreal.
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 12:30 AM
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6. No, the one that is being demonized is HR3200
1000 pages and complicated as all get out.

HR3200 reminds me of the Sir Alec Issigonis quote: “A camel is a horse designed by a committee”

I have not read HR676 but I may try!

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tucsonlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 12:39 AM
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7. It's About 11 Pages Long....
..and so eloquent, so straightforward, so easy to comprehend it'll bring tears to your eyes......

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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 12:56 AM
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9. Yes, I just downloaded it, but my eyes don't want to focus anymore
I've got to get some sleep and I'll read it tomorrow.

Thursday on Hardball, Lawrence O'Donnell said after the Clinton Health Care died, Daniel Patrick Moynihan said something to the effect they should have just removed the "65 and older" line from Medicare so it would apply to everyone. Simple, elegant and effective.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 12:54 AM
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8. Yes, and quite a few of us have been trying to keep it up front.
Obama has switched from health care reform to health insurance reform, clusterfuck they are pretending to argue about is nothing but billions in corporate welfare with some nice sounding, but completely ineffectual, verbiage that in the end will only serve to further bloat profits for those that provide no care and serve no purpose but to steal a large chunk of the obscene amount that we will be required to pay.

Obama has allowed the Democratic bribe machine to paint him into a corner.


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andym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 01:03 AM
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10. Well, the House will vote on it
Let's see how the congressional budget office scores it. If it turns out to be more cost-effective than HR3200 watch out. It may positively influence HR3200.

OTOH, the moderate/conservative Democratic members of the House and the Senate will probably never vote for it, so I don't want to get my hopes up too much. But wouldn't it be something if it could pass the House?


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tucsonlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 01:28 AM
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11. Re:moderate/conservative Democratic members of the House and the Senate.
...will probably never vote for it.

Any lawmaker who votes against it should be required to state their reason. What, specifically, did they find objectionable?

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REACTIVATED IN CT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 01:09 PM
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12. Thanks. I was just thinking yesterday that I needed to read this
K & R
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