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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 11:20 PM
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"Death panels" are already here" ( via the insurance companies)....
Sorry, Sarah Palin -- rationing of care? Private companies are already doing it, with sometimes fatal results

Aug. 11, 2009 | The future of healthcare in America, according to Sarah Palin, might look something like this: A sick 17-year-old girl needs a liver transplant. Doctors find an available organ, and they're ready to operate, but the bureaucracy -- or as Palin would put it, the "death panel" -- steps in and says it won't pay for the surgery. Despite protests from the girl's family and her doctors, the heartless hacks hold their ground for a critical 10 days. Eventually, under massive public pressure, they relent -- but the patient dies before the operation can proceed.

It certainly sounds scary enough to make you want to go show up at a town hall meeting and yell about how misguided President Obama's healthcare reform plans are. Except that's not the future of healthcare -- it's the present. Long before anyone started talking about government "death panels" or warning that Obama would have the government ration care, 17-year-old Nataline Sarkisyan, a leukemia patient from Glendale, Calif., died in December 2007, after her parents battled their insurance company, Cigna, over the surgery. Cigna initially refused to pay for it because the company's analysis showed Sarkisyan was already too sick from her leukemia; the liver transplant wouldn't have saved her life.

That kind of utilitarian rationing, of course, is exactly what Palin and other opponents of the healthcare reform proposals pending before Congress say they want to protect the country from. "Such a system is downright evil," Palin wrote, in the same message posted on Facebook where she
raised the "death panel" specter. "Health care by definition involves life and death decisions."

Opponents of reform often seem to skip right past any problems with the current system -- but it's rife with them. A study by the American Medical Association found the biggest insurance companies in the country denied between 2 and 5 percent of claims put in by doctors last year (though the AMA noted that not all the denials were improper). There is no national database of insurance claim denials, though, because private insurance companies aren't required to disclose such stats. Meanwhile, a House Energy and Commerce Committee report in June found that just three insurance companies kicked at least 20,000 people off their rolls between 2003 and 2007 for such reasons as typos on their application paperwork, a preexisting condition or a family member's medical history. People who buy insurance under individual policies, about 6 percent of adults, may be especially vulnerable, but the 63 percent of adults covered by employer-provided insurance aren't immune to difficulty.

"You're asking us to decide that the government is to be trusted," Gingrich -- who may, like Palin, be running for the GOP's presidential nomination in 2012 -- told ABC's "This Week With George Stephanopoulos" on Sunday. But as even a quick glance through news coverage of the last few years shows, private insurers are already doing what reform opponents say they want to save us from. (The insurance industry, pushing back against charges that they're part of the problem, said last month that "healthcare reform is far too important to be dragged down by divisive political rhetoric." The industry has long maintained that its decisions on what to cover are the result of careful investigations of each claim.) Here is a look at a handful of healthcare horror stories, brought to you by the current system. It took Salon staff less than an hour to round these up -- which might indicate how many other such stories are out there.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/08/11/denial_of_care/

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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 11:23 PM
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1. let thy be the first to knr this nt.
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:40 PM
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6. K&R!
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mullard12ax7 Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 11:41 PM
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2. Correct, and just watch someone get cancer a 2nd time
They'll be denied and left to die by the hideous lie the repugs call a healthcare system.
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steelmania75 Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 11:43 PM
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3. K&R
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wickerwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 11:45 PM
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4. So are community standards for who gets health care... the employed.
Everyone else can fuck off and die as far as the Republican party is concerned. And that includes Sarah Palin's down syndrome baby as soon as he hits 18.
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 12:18 AM
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5. "You're asking us to decide that the government is to be trusted," Gingrich
Edited on Wed Aug-12-09 12:20 AM by LaPera
We already know we can't trust the lying, cold-blooded, cost cutting, cut corners, dump the sick for more profit, won't insure the poor or sick insurance corporations!

What in the fuck is Gingrich talking about...the government won't turn away anyone....and just like all the nut cases screaming, who always get their government Social Security checks right on time every two-weeks, the unemployed get their unemployment insurance checks, as well as government medicare patients get health care as needed....

The government doesn't get between the patient and their doctor, unlike the insurance companies who get between every patient and their doctor...All have to ge the insurance companies OK before any procedure can be preformed by a doctor, nurse or hospital staff.

Government won't throw people off when they get sick over technicalities as insurance corporations do constantly because pay for the sick care digs into their profits as we ALL know....

Who in the fuck is Gingrich trying to con...I trust government over the incompetent money grubbing, lying greedy corporations any day of the week!
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