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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 08:14 PM
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Why Exercise Won't Make You Thin
(This is the cover story, a lot more in the story itself, link at the end)

Sunday, Aug. 09, 2009
Why Exercise Won't Make You Thin
By John Cloud

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It's a question many of us could ask. More than 45 million Americans now belong to a health club, up from 23 million in 1993. We spend some $19 billion a year on gym memberships. Of course, some people join and never go. Still, as one major study — the Minnesota Heart Survey — found, more of us at least say we exercise regularly. The survey ran from 1980, when only 47% of respondents said they engaged in regular exercise, to 2000, when the figure had grown to 57%. And yet obesity figures have risen dramatically in the same period: a third of Americans are obese, and another third count as overweight by the Federal Government's definition. Yes, it's entirely possible that those of us who regularly go to the gym would weigh even more if we exercised less. But like many other people, I get hungry after I exercise, so I often eat more on the days I work out than on the days I don't. Could exercise actually be keeping me from losing weight?

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The basic problem is that while it's true that exercise burns calories and that you must burn calories to lose weight, exercise has another effect: it can stimulate hunger. That causes us to eat more, which in turn can negate the weight-loss benefits we just accrued. Exercise, in other words, isn't necessarily helping us lose weight. It may even be making it harder.


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You might think half a muffin over an entire day wouldn't matter much, particularly if you exercise regularly. After all, doesn't exercise turn fat to muscle, and doesn't muscle process excess calories more efficiently than fat does? Yes, although the muscle-fat relationship is often misunderstood. According to calculations published in the journal Obesity Research by a Columbia University team in 2001, a pound of muscle burns approximately six calories a day in a resting body, compared with the two calories that a pound of fat burns. Which means that after you work out hard enough to convert, say, 10 lb. of fat to muscle — a major achievement — you would be able to eat only an extra 40 calories per day, about the amount in a teaspoon of butter, before beginning to gain weight. Good luck with that.

(snip)

All this helps explain why our herculean exercise over the past 30 years — all the personal trainers, StairMasters and VersaClimbers; all the Pilates classes and yoga retreats and fat camps — hasn't made us thinner. After we exercise, we often crave sugary calories like those in muffins or in "sports" drinks like Gatorade. A standard 20-oz. bottle of Gatorade contains 130 calories. If you're hot and thirsty after a 20-minute run in summer heat, it's easy to guzzle that bottle in 20 seconds, in which case the caloric expenditure and the caloric intake are probably a wash. From a weight-loss perspective, you would have been better off sitting on the sofa knitting. Many people assume that weight is mostly a matter of willpower — that we can learn both to exercise and to avoid muffins and Gatorade. A few of us can, but evolution did not build us to do this for very long. In 2000 the journal Psychological Bulletin published a paper by psychologists Mark Muraven and Roy Baumeister in which they observed that self-control is like a muscle: it weakens each day after you use it. If you force yourself to jog for an hour, your self-regulatory capacity is proportionately enfeebled. Rather than lunching on a salad, you'll be more likely to opt for pizza.

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If evolution didn't program us to lose weight through exercise, what did it program us to do? Doesn't exercise do anything? Sure. It does plenty. In addition to enhancing heart health and helping prevent disease, exercise improves your mental health and cognitive ability. A study published in June in the journal Neurology found that older people who exercise at least once a week are 30% more likely to maintain cognitive function than those who exercise less. Another study, released by the University of Alberta a few weeks ago, found that people with chronic back pain who exercise four days a week have 36% less disability than those who exercise only two or three days a week. But there's some confusion about whether it is exercise — sweaty, exhausting, hunger-producing bursts of activity done exclusively to benefit our health — that leads to all these benefits or something far simpler: regularly moving during our waking hours. We all need to move more — the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says our leisure-time physical activity (including things like golfing, gardening and walking) has decreased since the late 1980s, right around the time the gym boom really exploded. But do we need to stress our bodies at the gym?

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Could pushing people to exercise more actually be contributing to our obesity problem? In some respects, yes. Because exercise depletes not just the body's muscles but the brain's self-control "muscle" as well, many of us will feel greater entitlement to eat a bag of chips during that lazy time after we get back from the gym. This explains why exercise could make you heavier — or at least why even my wretched four hours of exercise a week aren't eliminating all my fat. It's likely that I am more sedentary during my nonexercise hours than I would be if I didn't exercise with such Puritan fury. If I exercised less, I might feel like walking more instead of hopping into a cab; I might have enough energy to shop for food, cook and then clean instead of ordering a satisfyingly greasy burrito.

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http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1914857,00.html


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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 08:17 PM
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1. (cals in) > (cals out) results in weight gain...
There are a rather wide variety of reasons why that inequality might hold.
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CANDO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 08:47 PM
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21. Just frigging great!
Edited on Sun Aug-09-09 08:48 PM by CANDO
Now all the fat slob hogs will have their excuse to sit on their morbid obese asses and continue doing nothing. Vigorous exercise and watching your dietary intake will make you live longer. There, how's that? Sorry! Meant to be a reply to OP.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 08:50 PM
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23. lol! No worries.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 08:18 PM
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2. that would explain all the 350lbs marathoners.
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teranchala Donating Member (83 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 08:45 PM
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19. You don't see hordes of Sumo wrestlers running past your house?
I see them all the time. I grow mushrooms too.
:rofl:

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cwydro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 08:24 PM
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3. Well, I can only speak for me,
but I rarely drink Gatorade and only crave water after running for 45 minutes in the August Florida sun. My eating habits are mostly healthy and my workouts do NOT make me crave junk food.

The only time I crave junk is when I go out drinking with friends and overindulge.

Working out does not dim my energy; it enhances it. So I don't know where that article is coming from.

Of course, I do NOT belong to a health club. I run outside, not on a treadmill - rain or shine. I bike outside, not on a "spinner". I paddle my kayak or canoe, which is fun, but still gives me the upper body workout.

If people think of exercise as "wretched", then no wonder they rebel. "Puritan fury"? Lol, that says it all!:rofl:
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 08:27 PM
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6. And this is it. I do belong to a gym but also try to walk outside
and I can see the difference what walking outside, and then a bit in the yard make a difference as opposed to yes, being in the gym for about an hour, and then feel the urge to splurge, and then just collapse on a chair in front of the TeeVee.

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cwydro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 08:29 PM
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8. Again, speaking only for me.
Going to the gym feels like drudgery; just doing sports because you like them is very different.

I do have free weights, but I use them at home. Usually while watching some junk TV, lol!
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 10:51 PM
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27. When we lived in Florida and in California I used to run outdoor
(cannot run anymore). But in Minnesota in the dead of winter - it is pitched dark around 5:00 and the sidewalk can be pretty icy. So back to the gym..

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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 08:34 PM
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12. here is the difference between treadmill/stationary bike and going outside and
riding a bike or walking... you still have to get home again... I used to walk when I was mad. I would walk and walk until I calmed down.... then I would have to turn around and walk back. LOL! can't really do that as much anymore.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 10:49 PM
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26. I know. This is why I used to walk or run around the blocks.
So I could always cut back if I got tired. I always kept that in mind - that at some point I'd have to get home again.

Same with swimming and cycling.
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 08:25 PM
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4. BS article
Edited on Sun Aug-09-09 08:26 PM by Uzybone
news magazines like the rest of print media is falling off a cliff.

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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 08:27 PM
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5. Laughable fattie-apologist nonsense.
"The basic problem is that while it's true that exercise burns calories and that you must burn calories to lose weight, exercise has another effect: it can stimulate hunger ... Could pushing people to exercise more actually be contributing to our obesity problem? In some respects, yes."

Exercise can increase appetite to an extent, but exercise also speeds the metabolism (as well as burns calories) so a properly-exercised body can in fact eat a little more and still burn more of it off. And think about it, aren't we often the most hungry when we sit around sedentary all day? Office lunches are treacherous, for example! One more thing: you ever noticed that the one time you're NOT hungry is when you're actually in the process of vigorous exercise?

So what all are we blaming it on now? High Fructose Corn Syrup, wonky thyroids, the "fat virus" and now exercise itself???

:rofl:
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 09:52 PM
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25. Some people
are bigoted against fat people.I have seen plenty of fat bigots on DU.If such vitriol was directed at race or gender you'd be seen as an asshole here. For some reason fat bashing by exercise and health nuts is tolerated here.

Fat bigots sound like puritan fundamentalists harping on their own virtues.It's really disgusting.
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 09:51 PM
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43. Fat bigotry is the only reasonable bigotry.
That's because anyone who is fat can become un-fat by making different decisions.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 08:29 PM
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7. Exercise won't make you thin if you consume more calories than you burn.
Exercise, however, does boost metabolism in that if you exercise regularly you will burn more calories even when you are resting than you would otherwise.

One has to limit calories to less than one burns to lose weight. Period. End of sentence.

Exercise might make one more hungry, but hunger can be satisfied with foods that are not extremely high in calories.

To say that exercise makes the problem worse is nonsense.

Exercise also helps keep the heart muscle healthy. So, let's not discourage people from exercising.

Also, the "converting fat to muscle" assertion is pure nonsense as well. Fat cannot be converted to muscle. One can make one's muscles bigger through weight training---one type of exercise. One can make one's fat storage smaller by burning calories. And, the "fat burns 2 calories" is also bullshit. Fat is BURNED, is does not BURN.

This article, IOW, is utter bullshit.
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 08:31 PM
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9. building muscle is paramount to increasing metabolism... and muscle weighs more than fat.
Exercise MAY make you hungry, but though it's been awhile, I remember even if I was hungry I didn't eat much. I think the problems are more with people seeing food as a reward... though it's not like I have never done that.... I think exercise combined with more conscious eating habits are probably the best thing... I don't know though... I have had a tough time trying to lose weight... I had a kid and never lost the weight. then I became a Stay at home mom and wasn't as active... then i had another kid and gained more weight. got depressed... it becomes a vicious cycle... trying to exercise is a joke when you have kids climbing all over you... or you have to clean the house before you can even start... and by the time you are done cleaning, you are exhausted...
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 09:28 PM
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42. Exactly. And the term "exercise" is incredibly vague.
There is a world of difference between weight training with reasonably heavy weights versus jogging. For that matter walking, jogging and sprinting produce different results on body recomposition.

Every pound of muscle you add means you require an additional 20-30 calories a day just to maintain the new tissue, on top of the calories spent lifting weights and rebuilding the damaged muscle fibers. Add that together with the fact that increasing strength is much more useful in every day life. When does the need to jog arise naturally outside of sports and recreation?

Contrast that with the need to bend over to pick up things (kids, boxes, groceries) and to lift things (kids, groceries, etc.). This is especially important as you age when less activity and decrease in key hormones leads to muscle loss and bone loss. Walking and even jogging aren't near as good as helping to maintain bone density, and they do next to nothing to build muscle with the exception of incredibly sedentary beginners.
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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 08:32 PM
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10. If exercise makes you hungry, you are not execising hard enough
Especially in the summer heat, if you are exercising hard, it kills hunger.

And never drink sweetened beverages under any circumstances.

Exercise adds muscle weight, which has a higher metablism even at rest. So building muscle helps burn calories all day, not just when you are using the muscle.

Your body must also expend energy to regulate temperature. In the cold, you shiver, which actually burns calories pretty quickly. In the heat, calories are used by the processes that pump water out your sweat glands, so that helps you lose weight as well. So if you want to lose weight, turn off the air conditioner and drink lots of water. The heat will kill your appetite and sweating will burn calories.
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 08:33 PM
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11. This really is a stupid article
it is a narcissistic look at one man's battle with his workout regimen, and his attempts to project his issues on to others.
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The River Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 08:35 PM
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13. Not For Me
and I'm 60.
As long as I can ride 100 miles a week I can eat anything I want.
A glazed coffee roll is just 20 miles of fuel. I eat protein
right after exercise, when it does the most good.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 08:36 PM
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14. THis is crap.
I have more energy when I'm working out, not less. That's just a fact.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 08:37 PM
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15. Apparently I wasn't the only one to Unrecommend it.
Edited on Sun Aug-09-09 08:39 PM by Quantess
Not exercising may not guarantee weight loss if you eat more. However, not exercising will guarantee you'll have a dumpy, poorly toned body, and you'll have poor posture as well!
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 08:40 PM
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16. This is an incredibly dumb article. The style and lack of substance sounds like John Stoessel
Edited on Sun Aug-09-09 08:55 PM by snagglepuss
wrote it under an alias.

I have battled weight my entire life. YoYo's my middle name. When I have exercise regularly e.g. 1 hour daily on a treadmill at 3.3 mph (a level which raises heart rate to 112) I have lost weight.

Three years ago I dropped 35 lbs over 10 months. Besides excercising, I reduced calories, cutting out all sugar and processed carbs and seriously upping consumption of vegetables. Even though I was still 35 lbs overweight my blood pressure was 110/70 and had no problems at all with triglycerides or cholesterol.


Two years ago I started a job working graveyard shifts and due to undiagnosed anemia plus lack of sleep my diet went out the window and I was utterly unable to exercise. Over one and half years I gained 35 lbs. What also happened is that the first time in my life my triglycerides and cholesterol skyrocketed. A new doctor had demanded I go on Lipitor, I declined and got another doctor. In 4 months I have halved all my numbers so I no longer fall into to the category that requires treatment.

What diet doesn't do is raise HDL which is actually more important than LDL for healthy arteries. The only way HDL can be raised is by exercise so for that reason alone the person who penned the article is an idiot doing way more harm than good.

I can speak from experience that exercise reduces weight if its done in conjunction with healthy eating.





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felix45 Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 08:43 PM
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17. whut is a garbage article?
this is just stupid. basically once you start working out, your metabolism will begin to increase and you will need to eat more to keep up with how much energy you are using. some of this energy will come from excess body fat and some will come from food you have eaten. just keep working out, eating more is OK because you really need to.

this article is completely dumb. people who claim they work out regularly probably dont have the discipline to push themselves when it begins to get tough to work out, when it really counts. I know plenty of people I go to college with like this. I see fat people especially do very few reps on low weight amounts and they obviously dont struggle, you can tell when someone is using all of their energy to get that final rep in.
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Strong Atheist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 09:14 PM
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40. Welcome to DU!



:toast:
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madville Donating Member (743 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 08:43 PM
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18. Sounds like a bunch of excuses to me
Edited on Sun Aug-09-09 08:44 PM by madville
You can't go to the gym then go home and eat a 1000 calorie bag of chips. I dropped forty pounds several years ago, went from 200 down to 160, actually went a little overboard doing that and am resting comfortably at 180 right now (5'9" male). I cut my exercise way back to a few days a week and ate decent still, it took a few years to put that 20 pounds back on actually.

I cut back to around 1500 calories a day, very little sugar, potatoes, bread, rice, pasta, etc. Meats, vegetables, and fruits were almost all good. I worked out twice a day, all low impact, mainly fast walking and the elliptical machine at the gym along with light weight training. Took about 6 months at 1.5 pounds a week. It took discipline, I only cheated a few times with very small portions, cut the alcohol to one beer or glass of wine a day and I was allowed 2 cigarettes a day. I got to where I didn't even want to smoke because I felt so great from exercising, I used to smoke a pack a day and didn't realize how much it hampered me until I cut way back.

One thing that really helped me was getting a thick rubber band and wearing it on my wrist. Whenever I wanted to eat something bad or have a cigarette I would pull it way back and pop the crap out of myself. The urges started to go away when they were associated with that pain. At times I would also punish myself with 20 push ups or 50 situps or something when I would have cravings, it helped.
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freeplessinseattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 08:46 PM
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20. Thanks, really needed a good laugh
maybe all the obese exercisers are hiding in the gym, but around here joggers and bicyclists are in abundance and 98% look sleek as can be. maybe it is just the gym that makes a person fat, lol. they pump calories into the air to get people to keep coming back, for an exercise in futility, literally.
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abumbyanyothername Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 08:50 PM
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22. A first hand report.
I have run around 25 marathons in my life, including 12 in one 12 calendar month period in 1991-92. My adult weight has fluctuated from around 165 (while in college) to 235 (during a non-active period) to 180 (currently). My current exercise program is called . . . transportation; I walk or ride my bike most places I have to go these days. (My wife has a car that I occasionally borrow.)

It is far, far easier for me to lose weight through diet than exercise. Running as many as 50 miles a week simply did not cause me to lose weight when I allowed myself to eat according to impulse and ate SAD (standard American diet). At my peak of 70 miles per week it was pretty much impossible for me to keep up enough intake to maintain my weight and I did lose weight.

The only times I have been able to lose any significant amount of weight and keep it off, is when I twice adopted a diet that completely eliminated all processed food and animal products from my diet. Currently, for the last year and one half, I have been strictly raw vegan -- no meat, no dairy, no processed food of any sort, not even anything cooked. When I started this plan, I weighed 215 pounds. Now I weigh 182, up in the last 6 weeks from 175 as I just got tired of buying more and more new clothes.

Not going to argue the benefits of this particular diet here, just reporting my experience that, for weight loss, diet is more important than exercise and actually, for me, the types of foods I eat (non-processed) are more important than the amounts.

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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 10:59 PM
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29. Thank you. I know that for me it confirmed a lot
I used to run about 10 miles a week and always thought that meant I did not have to watch what I was eating. Then, like many, when I stopped this regime, I quickly gained weight. The only way, for me, to lose weight is to keep moving. Walk, bike, work in the yard, just moving. And recently it was suggested that being sedentary, sitting all day, is what keeps one to gain weight.

The fast and furious reactions, above, led me to believe that something in this article really got under people's skin. Hey, their life, their problem. It is also a matter of age. Once one reaches 50 and above, everything that used to work before no longer does.

:hi:
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 09:43 PM
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24. I walk a LOT
Edited on Sun Aug-09-09 09:48 PM by undergroundpanther
I have no car and live in the suburbs. And I am fat anyway.I can walk for miles I do this many times a week,sometimes lugging over 30 pounds of groceries home,or a satchel on my back.I don't drink sugary shit. I drink water,I have a big ass nagalene bottle, I fill it up almost to the top and add in maybe three tablespoons of 100% unsweetened grape juice and a few pieces of ice.I go to the doctor it's an all day trek,I go to the store to get there and back is a half hour walk one way.

I don't eat alot,few sweets if any,and yet I weigh too much.

However one thing is true, I have allergies to alot of things, I get allergy shots twice a week. Recently obesity has been discovered to be a form of inflammation in some people.

The inflammation going on inside fat cells makes sense to me considering there is NO escaping the toxins,additives,pollution and living in and consuming and inhaling, this chemical stew that this planet has become because of big industries like Montsano or Dow or other polluting companies and of course the pollution from cars...It all adds up.

It all puts a chemical load on the environment too.(do disappearing frogs and bees ring a bell?) and so it bears upon Us too. Babies are born with mercury in the blood and many more toxic substances.They are BORN with polluted bodies.
Some of us might be more sensitized and stressed so our bodies cannot cope as well with the chemical burdens others can endure without their fat cells going berserk,and how fat you are also is tied to income and it also has some to do with WHERE you live too.

It's not the fat that is harming us, it is the inflammation inside the fat cells,and whatever it is that is making our bodies inflamed.My thoughts go to the damaged ever increasingly toxic environment we live in,breathe,eat,walk on etc..

Walking might help some lose weight but if where they walk is toxic it might harm them more.

http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/national/news/20090727p2a00m0na015000c.html
http://www.med.umich.edu/opm/newspage/2008/eitzman.htm
http://record.wustl.edu/news/page/normal/8990.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14679177
http://www.urmc.rochester.edu/news/story/index.cfm?id=384
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 11:14 PM
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32. Take Advil or Ibuprofen
Just a weird hunch.:shrug:
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 10:58 PM
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28. hard to believe Time would print such utter fucking nonsense
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 11:01 PM
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30. It is hard to believe that so many people describe something as
"fucking nonsense" without any explanation.

But, hey, no one ever "explains" farting, either.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 11:02 PM
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31. the ARTICLE is fucking nonsense
bashing exercise is FUCKING NONSENSE
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 11:20 PM
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33. Please check out the thread in Health on Women and Obesity - the missing link
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=222x66961


Testosterone therapy and women

So why isn’t testosterone more commonly given for weight loss in women? The medical community actually commonly believes testosterone causes obesity. This is due to a number of studies linking upper body obesity /abdominal obesity in women to elevated testosterone levels. Once again, this is a case of blaming one hormone as a "villain". In these women, they do in fact have higher than normal testosterone levels but their whole hormonal system is out of balance. Not only do they have high testosterone levels, but they also have poor insulin sensitivity as well as high insulin levels. Often these women have a metabolic problem of insulin resistance—which is associated with obesity. There is no serious evidence that testosterone replacement therapy for women will result in greater body fat – in fact the opposite is true.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 11:57 PM
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36. Interesting. I wonder whether these changes
are associated with menopause which does cause the whole hormonal system to be out of balance.
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ohheckyeah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 11:29 PM
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34. I can't speak for everyone but exercise does not stimulate my
hunger. Quite the opposite. It makes me thirsty, I drink a lot of water or unsweetened tea and actually eat less.
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Cid_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 11:51 PM
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35. Wow...
Could pushing people to exercise more actually be contributing to our obesity problem?

No... not even according to your own idiotic argument



In some respects, yes. Because exercise depletes not just the body's muscles but the brain's self-control "muscle" as well, many of us will feel greater entitlement to eat a bag of chips during that lazy time after we get back from the gym.

Umm.. Acting in a disciplined manner creates a disciplined personality. If the fact that you took the stairs instead of the elevator makes you feel entitled to a triple whopper then logic isn't your strong suit.



This explains why exercise could make you heavier — or at least why even my wretched four hours of exercise a week aren't eliminating all my fat.

Maybe it's that crappy attitude instead? My 10 hours per week in the gym are the zen hours of my week that help keep me sane.

It's likely that I am more sedentary during my nonexercise hours than I would be if I didn't exercise with such Puritan fury. If I exercised less, I might feel like walking more instead of hopping into a cab; I might have enough energy to shop for food, cook and then clean instead of ordering a satisfyingly greasy burrito.

Again, this is your own crappy attitude. Why don't you get your ass on the treadmill and also stop eating crap? Does it make you literally so tired that your arm cannot reach the whole grains and instead can only go to the 3rd shelf with the pop tarts?

What a whiny "not my fault" rant....
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 11:57 PM
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37. WRONG WRONG WRONG...
Excercise DOES work if you know what you are doing...

Do weight/strength training every other day and aerobics on the non strength training days.

Eat better - more fruit, more fiber - less red meat, NO fast foods.

Eat small snacks frequently.

Get more sleep.

If you do that you WILL lose weight, I promise.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 12:31 AM
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38. This happens to me a lot. I will do some heavy duty exercise then be starving
afterward and then over eat because of it. I don't think exercise is bad though, just that you have to watch what you eat all the time. I have to eat about 1000 calories a day anyway or I gain weight being on insulin and being a diabetic. I find if I go past 1000 to 1200 I start to gain weight.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 12:39 AM
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39. It feels good, increases metabolism. increases endorphins......
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 09:19 PM
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41. Dumb. n/t
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Pharlo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 10:23 PM
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44. No, exercise alone will not make you lose weight.
Speaking from personal experience, it makes me gain weight. BUT, it also slims me down. Jean size drops, shirt size drops. So what if I weigh a few pounds more. I'm slimmer, fitter, and feel a lot better.

I'd rather be a 155 pound size 12 than a 145 pound size 14. But, that's me.
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