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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 11:30 PM
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Can Jazz Be Saved?
AUGUST 8, 2009

Can Jazz Be Saved?
The audience for America’s great art form is withering away

By TERRY TEACHOUT
WSJ

In 1987, Congress passed a joint resolution declaring jazz to be “a rare and valuable national treasure.” Nowadays the music of Louis Armstrong, Duke Ellington, Charlie Parker and Miles Davis is taught in public schools, heard on TV commercials and performed at prestigious venues such as New York’s Lincoln Center, which even runs its own nightclub, Dizzy’s Club Coca-Cola. Here’s the catch: Nobody’s listening.

No, it’s not quite that bad — but it’s no longer possible for head-in-the-sand types to pretend that the great American art form is economically healthy or that its future looks anything other than bleak. The bad news came from the National Endowment for the Arts’ latest Survey of ­Public Participation in the Arts, the fourth to be conducted by the NEA (in participation with the U.S. Census Bureau) since 1982. These are the findings that made jazz musicians sit up and take ­notice: In 2002, the year of the last survey, 10.8% of adult Americans attended at least one jazz performance. In 2008, that figure fell to 7.8%. Not only is the audience for jazz shrinking, but it’s growing older — fast. The median age of adults in America who attended a live jazz performance in 2008 was 46. In 1982 it was 29.

(snip)

These numbers indicate that the audience for jazz in America is both aging and shrinking at an alarming rate. What I find no less revealing, though, is that the median age of the jazz audience is now comparable to the ages for attendees of live performances of classical music.. What does this tell us? I suspect it means, among other things, that the average American now sees jazz as a form of high art. Nor should this come as a surprise to anyone, since most of the jazz musicians that I know feel pretty much the same way. They regard themselves as artists, not entertainers, masters of a musical language that is comparable in seriousness to classical music—and just as off-putting to pop-loving listeners who have no more use for Wynton Marsalis than they do for Felix Mendelssohn.

Jazz has changed greatly since the ’30s, when Louis Armstrong, one of the ­supreme musical geniuses of the 20th century, was also a pop star, a gravel-voiced crooner who made movies with Bing Crosby and Mae West and whose records sold by the truckload to fans who knew nothing about jazz except that Satchmo played and sang it. As late as the early ’50s, jazz was still for the most part a genuinely popular music, a utilitarian, song-based idiom to which ordinary people could dance if they felt like it. But by the ’60s, it had evolved into a challenging concert music whose complexities repelled many of the same youngsters who were falling hard for rock and soul. Yes, John Coltrane’s “A Love Supreme” sold very well for a jazz album in 1965—but most kids preferred “California Girls” and “The Tracks of My Tears,” and still do now that they have kids of their own.

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No, I don’t know how to get young people to start listening to jazz again. But I do know this: Any symphony orchestra that thinks it can appeal to under-30 listeners by suggesting that they should like Schubert and Stravinsky has already lost the battle. If you’re marketing Schubert and Stravinsky to those listeners, you have no choice but to start from scratch and make the case for the beauty of their music to otherwise intelligent people who simply don’t take it for granted. By the same token, jazz musicians who want to keep their own equally beautiful music alive and well have got to start thinking hard about how to pitch it to young listeners — not next month, not next week, but right now.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574320303103850572.html (subscription)


Printed in The Wall Street Journal, page W14

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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 11:33 PM
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1. oh god, not this again
I belong to a listserv of jazz musicians and am the former president of a jazz society and a board member of another one in D.C.

This question comes up often. I'll go see what the musicians are saying about this article and bring it back here.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 11:44 PM
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5. the concensus is that it's an old discussion...
...my personal feeling is that a whole lot of stuff is going on among the twenty-somethings that is jazz, whether they are calling it that or not. The influences of Louis Armstrong, Ellington, Fletcher Henderson, and so many more will never disappear. It will never happen.
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Aragorn Donating Member (784 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 12:03 AM
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16. old audience
just like Elvis isn't playing live anymore. Surveys like this, as reported, are so invalid as to be meaningless. We have as much jazz on the radio now as 10 years ago and 20 years ago - not much. Jazz has evolved - a lot of popular music has devolved, but gets pushed onto the airwaves.

People who hear jazz in a public place likely won't say they attended a jazz concert.

Jazz is often better live, unlike a lot of other forms. (YES not included.) And the old masters don't tour any more.

Does Clapton, BB King, et al count? It gets blurry.

When I saw W Marsalis with the Nat Jazz Band last, they mostly played Ellington before intermission. I was glad but sad 'cause I happened to have listened to all the first half compositions already - driving in to Dallas - as recorded live by Ellington years ago.
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 03:39 AM
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98. I agree - Jazz will never die
It's an art form. One I didn't get into until I was in my 30's. I'm 36 now - we have a great local jazz station here - http://www.wshafm.org/ It's pretty much the only music station I listen to anymore.

Jazz rules. Listen to our cool local station streaming in WMP anytime -- http://live.wshafm.org/WSHA
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 11:55 PM
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11. I'm also on a similar list, the founder of a jazz society and a former board member of another...
...and I think this is a valid question. One of the biggest problems jazz has is its esoteric niche: it's too high for the low brows and too low for the high brows. That doesn't leave a lot of folks.

And this part of the author's statement rings loudly: "But I do know this: Any symphony orchestra that thinks it can appeal to under-30 listeners by suggesting that they should like Schubert and Stravinsky has already lost the battle. If you’re marketing Schubert and Stravinsky to those listeners, you have no choice but to start from scratch and make the case for the beauty of their music to otherwise intelligent people who simply don’t take it for granted."

Thing is, another approach has developed with jazz in the last couple of decades that is little more than an attempt to "bring the mountain to Mohammed." The result? "Smooth jazz," an idiom of instrumental R&B that has attempted to co-opt the cachet of authentic jazz via marketing. Of course, that's starting to die as well.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 12:06 AM
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18. You know where I first heard classical music?
As a small child, watching CARTOONS in the movie theater and on the television. That's how I came to love it, too. I know every note of many major pieces simply because I heard them while a cartoon cat was chasing a couple of cartoon mice, or a cartoon duck was getting into some sort of silly fix!
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 12:11 AM
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20. Troof
I'll bet most people think Ride of the Valkyries is supposed to be sung, "Kill the Wabbit, KILL THE WAAAAABIT"...

Actually, I like it much better that way :D
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 12:23 AM
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28. Mickey made forays into "jazz" as early as 29!
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 07:35 AM
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103. Flashback!
Sitting in a Music History class and the Prof played "Ride of the Valkyries." I start cracking up because my brain is filling in the "kill the wabbit" part. Prof points and me, laughs and says, "I know EXACTLY what you're thinking!"

Along with cartoons, classical music was also used quite a bit in movies of the 30's, 40's and even 50's.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 01:12 PM
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111. Or associated with "I love the smell of NAPALM in the morning" (nt)
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 01:21 PM
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113. Or "I HATE Illinois Nazis"
I think it's fitting Wagner's goofy, overwrought piece will forever invoke goofy, overwrought bits of pop culture.
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 12:11 AM
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21. "Kill de wabbit!"**nm
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 12:32 AM
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37. YES! We are of the same era.
Edited on Sun Aug-09-09 12:33 AM by DemoTex
I remember the batallions of cartoon tanks and mice in armor coming over hills with great classical and post-classical music as the focus, not the cartoon! I have since read that the tech people doing those cartoons in the 50s smoked a lot of weed.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 12:35 AM
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40. Man, I was just thinking of that
Edited on Sun Aug-09-09 12:37 AM by aint_no_life_nowhere
I remember a cartoon where animated dogs were building a skyscraper and doing it to the accompaniment of Franz Liszt's Hungarian Rhapsody No. II. I had my parents go out and buy a recording of it.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 12:39 AM
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43. Hungarian Rhapsody #2!
That's also the tune where Jerry got into the hammers and strings and wore the shit out of Tom the pianist maestro. It was a tour de force of instrumental shredding. And cool beyond words.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 12:28 AM
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33. If I could only listen to one jazz album the rest of my life.
What do I listen to?
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abumbyanyothername Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 01:12 AM
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61. That is tough
I'm going with Keith Jarrett . . . The Cure. Although Bye Bye Blackbird (Same Artist) and At the Blue Note (ditto) are up there also.

Bill Evans at the Manne-Hole.

Miles Davis . . . try this from the Jon Stewart show of his day. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR5b0Eryr1U&feature=related

Many, many more. Jazz is a huge genre and spans so much.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 01:52 AM
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81. I've been listening to jazz on the radio lately
and while I've been a music guy all my life I've been hopelessly ignorant of jazz. Thanks for the tips, time to go shopping.
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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 09:54 AM
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107. Wes Montgomery
It is all I have been listening to lately.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 10:21 AM
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109. Ghosts(Vibrations)- Albert Ayler/Don Cherry
Edited on Sun Aug-09-09 10:24 AM by RUMMYisFROSTED
Mothers is the greatest jazz song I have ever heard.


Edit to add: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zSD8rU7Z_Y
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 11:34 PM
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2. Jazz is one of the greatest gifts America has given the world
and the universe

now there is something to be proud of
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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 12:03 AM
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15. I only started getting into it last year. Miles Davis, John Coltrane. Latin jazz is great also.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 01:26 AM
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70. ...And, like many really good things that originated here, is completely ignored by
most Americans. I have been a lifelong blues fan - we have the same problems. Back in the early 60's, blues became very popular - in Europe! Players who had been basically bar musicians found themselves playing to large white audiences in London or Amsterdam. I understand some of the new jazz players are trying to get away from the asncestor worship that plagued jazz for some years, and I really am grateful to them for taking that step.

Few jazz musicians have ever become rich, but it's a great thing to be able to make a real living and have some respect from your art.

mark
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 11:35 PM
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3. we have free jazz concerts every wednesday and thursday
6:30 - 8:30PM at the City of Newburgh Waterfront.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 11:39 PM
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4. All they need is bling, some bitchin' effects on the voice and moaning women
and the music will shoot to the top...
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 11:45 PM
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6. you mean like Bessie Smith?
Ma Rainey? Eh?
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 11:57 PM
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12. Sorry...
I didn't put the obvious sarcasm thingy in my thread...
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 12:11 AM
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22. I knew a big big vocalist...
....who wore a lot of fringe and bling. She said "If you can't hide it, decorate it."
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 12:29 AM
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34. That's cool...
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TCJ70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 11:50 PM
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7. Yeah...just auto-tune it. n/t
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 11:50 PM
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8. ''I thought I heard Buddy Bolden say...''
say it ain't so.

feelin kinda blue about this...everything's going into the terlett

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBpLKm8vw4M

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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 12:06 AM
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19. like the poster below says....
...it ain't dead in Europe, and there's a feast on you tube. Every night I can play a self-selected concert of old and new performances. Historic and un. It's just sublime. One of my favorite bands is the Hot Jazz Band of Hungary. Check them out on you tube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAd1hB9nfgs
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 12:33 AM
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38. thanks! never heard of them. listening to 'in a silent way' right now
been listening to miles ever since this thread came up
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 12:49 AM
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49. well, the Hot JB of Hungary is a world away from Miles....
....in style and repertoire. Just so you know. :-)
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 01:04 AM
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54. that's fine....been listening to r. crumb and his cheap suit serenaders
78 rpm sounding stuff

here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSUu62QNPwg&feature=PlayList&p=B0B0F3655BF25358&index=0

it's in a harold lloyd movie that has a cameo with babe ruth!

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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 01:06 AM
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56. btw, did you hear what Mr. Ray did to the Sunquest room? (eom)
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 01:10 AM
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59. you can't possibly be talking about the Fishmarket, can you?
can you?

otherwise, I'm stumped
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 01:12 AM
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60. yes
The main room upstairs for his pianists is now closed except for private dining. An era gone. Wah.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 01:17 AM
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64. I did construction/painting, etc. for him back in the day. a bunch of us worked for him,
including a guy who tended bar and got fired for refusing to call him Mr. he'd only call him Ray....that was at Il Porto

I worked at Ray's house, too. got to 'know' his ahole son, Ricky.

Tangerine La Bamba knew him, too. we agreed that he reminded us of the Penguin (Ray, that is)

you don't live there now, do you?

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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 01:25 AM
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69. I know you worked for him.
No, I don't live there anymore.

One of my best friends was one of his pianists. I spent many happy hours in that place.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 01:32 AM
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73. did I hit my head, or what? let me see if I can bring some of this back....
Edited on Sun Aug-09-09 01:33 AM by Gabi Hayes
did you live in Reston/Herndon, or where? that sort of rings a bell. that's a long way away from the river

when were you there?

ha...what if we saw each other and didn't even know it.

we used to go down there at night, park at the Torpedo Factory. this Indian guy who knew us by day as the construction workers would take our parking tokens and ask us "Are you here tonight for recreation?" we used to practice saying that all the time. I never could get it down
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 01:48 AM
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80. Reston
I was there from 1987-1993, in Falls Church for a couple of years and then Reston. I visited often before 1987, because (as I said) my best friend was playing piano there. I would drive over and park at the Torpedo Factory and spend the evening in the Sunquest Room. Well, while Buck Kelly was still alive and playing there I would spend part of the time in the little back bar downstairs where Buck played. Good times, good times. I was there at least once a week.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 01:58 AM
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83. did you tell me that before, cause the Reston part came back....
I left in 90, and didn't go there much after the early 80s, I'm guessing

I lived in Falls Church (Fairfax, really, but they called it Falls Church...out Lee Highway, near the Jewish cemetery) for two years in mid 80s, then back to Arlington.

exciting, yes?

eyes are watering, gotta go.

glad for this thread, and the music that's come up tonight

cheerio
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 01:08 AM
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58. just put your band on....love it!
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WillieW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 11:55 PM
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9. I hope not. But smooth Jazz is more popular now.
Edited on Sat Aug-08-09 11:56 PM by WillieW
I still have about 250 old jazz albums in my collection From Miles Davis to F. Monk and Ella.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 07:39 AM
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104. "Smooooooth jazz"
:puke: I refer to it as "nerf jazz." My Musicology prof. referred to it as "elevator music for yuppies."
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 11:55 PM
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10. I don't know if it needs saving
Every idiom has its day and either fades away or becomes an eclectic taste. I'd love it if jazz became a form of pop music again, but only if it's real jazz, something inventive, nuanced, richly textured. America recently HAS embraced a form of "jazz" -- the Kenny G travesties. Do you know he's laid claim to the bestselling instrumental title of all time? That's right, he's outsold everyone from Art Tatum to Eric Johnson. He also has the alltime bestselling Christmas release. If that's the only type of viable pop jazz in this country, no fucking thanks.

In any case, jazz thrives in Europe and Asia, if not here. Thanks to YouTube, I can watch and listen to performances by the likes of Bireli Lagrene only days after they happen. So, for anyone who enjoys jazz, ready availability is actually much greater than its ever been.
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 11:58 PM
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14. It seems American culture is more pop-oriented in all regards.**nm
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Liberation Angel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 11:58 PM
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13. Funny Listening to Gato Barbieri on 89.5 WPKN Bridgeport
Edited on Sun Aug-09-09 12:49 AM by Liberation Angel
Miles, gil scott heron,

very cool show.

I went to see Gato when I was 19 in Boston.

and listening to Encuentros (on of my favorite avant garde Latin Jazz pieces) makes me realize how important that stuff was to me when i was a teenager.

I can't afford to go out these days to the Jazz clubs (altho i saw McCoy Tyner a few years back and Ellis Marsalis a year or so ago)

I teach my kids some of this stuff but in reality jazz is there in today's music. You can hear Billie Holiday n some of Regina Spektor's stuff. There is still acid jazz in hip hop.

But there are few artists I even care to see much of (but would if I could afford to - Geri Allen playing in NYC right now for example).

But the greats have mostly passed...

and jzzz evolves

I would hardly expect the WSJ to figure that part out though.

Coltrane and Miles will be forever though

despite what corporate journalism says...

but I know you can't get tickets for them anymore (but also isn't Ravi Coltrane Alice and John's son? and he's playing in NYC now)

and looking at the demographics you would notice that jazz fans STAY jazz fans and since it really began (the good stuff) in the 50's so the age demo makes sense.

Listen here:

http://www.wpkn.org/





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WillieW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 02:21 PM
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114. I still remember Ella in Berlin. My first jazz concert I attended. Have been hooked ever since
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 12:05 AM
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17. I hope not.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 12:11 AM
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23. I think it has something to do with the decline of music education in our public schools
My cousin is a full-time jazz guitarist and is going through tough times. I was a pro jazz guitar player in the 70's and I didn't have the guts to keep playing for a living although I still practice every day for my own enjoyment. Over the years I've seen the disappearance of a lot of jazz clubs and there are fewer and fewer places where people can enjoy live music (at least in the major urban area where I live). Jazz clubs have become kareoke clubs or canned music clubs. I think it has a lot to do with the fact that fewer young kids take up instruments at school, as musical instruction has been severly curtailed or even eliminated. The arts just aren't seen as that essential in modern cost-cutting times. When I was a kud in the late 50's and 60's, everyone at school took up an instrument from 4th grade to 12th. If you grow up as a player, you don't view jazz or classical music as nerdy or high brow. Fine musicianship is respected and emulated. I don't think as many young people today appreciate great musicianship the way they used to. On TV in the old days you could hear opera on Ed Sullivan. Van Cliburn was celebrated and featured on television. Leonard Bernstein had his own television show. There were lots of variety shows that featured great musicians. Guys like Satchmo, Harry James, Duke Ellington, Dizzie Gillespie, Count Basie, Ella Fitzgerald, and many others were household names and people actually saw them on their TV sets or heard them on the radio. Even shows like Porter Waggoner or Lawrence Welk, as cheesy as they were, featured ten times the musicianship that you see on mainstream network television nowadays. In other words, there was an audience for good musicianship back then and I think it's because more Americans had been exposed to enjoying and playing musical instruments from an early age. I remember as a kid walking into a record store and buying an album of Bill Evans (I liked Waltz For Debby and I was studying piano at the time). Now it's hard finding that kind of music at just any record store and the jazz section has been drastically reduced, being crowded out in favor of pop and rap. I don't think jazz will ever die, but it sure has known better times.
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 12:21 AM
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27. Great post!!...
...Lots of good points in there.

I certainly know that regardless of my skill level, my knowledge of music theory and experiences playing enhance my appreciation in ways the non-musicians in my family can't understand. Not saying you can't have an emotional connection with music otherwise, but knowing about the technical aspects of music gives you a cerebral connection that lifts things to incredible plateaus.

I'm incensed by things like that "Guitar Hero" video game where people spend hours acting as if they are playing an instrument when if they put that same amount of diligence into actually learning how to play the guitar, it would pay off in ways they can't imagine right now. It's an apt metaphor for our times.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 12:28 AM
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32. I don't intend to suggest that non-musicians can't appreciate good music
Sorry if I gave that impression. I think that those who learn an instrument, especially in school where they have to play all sorts of things, they get exposed to great music in the process, not just in the technical aspects, but in the deeply emotional aspects of it as well. When that happens at a very early age, I think it really opens your ears. But even kids who don't learn to play can still be enriched if their parents introdece them to classical music and jazz in their youth.
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 12:30 AM
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35. You didn't suggest that...
...and that wasn't my point. But the simple fact is, someone who with no experience sculpting in marble can't appreciate Michelangelo's work in the same way as someone has done so. Same thing with designing a building or any other skill.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 01:59 AM
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84. +1
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 03:32 PM
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115. I remember when you could hear Stan Getz on top 40 radio
I'm talking about The Girl From Ipenema from the 60s with a Getz solo in the middle that you could hear all day long on commercial radio. The song made it to #5 on the pop billboard charts in the U.S. And another tune that you could describe as jazzy (probably qualifies as "cool jazz" today, whatever that is) was very popular and played all the time on top 40 stations, Cast Your Fate To The Wind by the Vince Guaraldi Trio. That was an all instrumental piece with kind of an acoustic piano solo in the middle. There are other examples of instrumentals becoming top hits in the U.S. back in the old days, like the bluesy Rinky Dink by Dave Baby Cortez. It was a cool rendition of a cha-cha-cha on organ, with a nice sax solo in the middle of it. I remember people dancing to it on American Bandstand when I was a kid.

To me, it isn't that jazz has gone out of style. Music itself has gone out of style for many (not all) Americans. While I don't want to knock rap, I don't consider it real music. It's more poetry or social commentary to me that has replaced music. Techno to me is just noise without the least bit of sophistication (a 50s beatnik drumming on bongos was more complex). Most of the pop music that Americans love today has lost its raw edgy quality, almost never has any improvisional aspect to it (whereas almost every rock tune in the 50s and 60s had some kind of solo), and seems very canned to me. Look at American Idol today. All they have are singers and they don't have to sing that well, as long as they have a certain look and style. Actual musical talent is irrelevant to the show. Ted Mack's Original Amateur Hour used to have lots of musicians on it and people would sit in their living rooms watching musicians play. Jimmy Bruno, one of today's best contemporary jazz guitarists got his start on Ted Mack's show when he was 13. Same thing with Ed Bennett, one of the west coast's best jazz bass players. I can't think of a musical genre that has any sophistication to it that is broadly enjoyed and appreciated by mainstream America today. Again, I don't think that jazz is dying. I think music is dying for a lot of Americans and I blame it on the schools and things like Proposition 13 that eliminated a lot of music programs.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 12:12 AM
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24. jazz was dive music in whorehouses and smoky joints. now its all hoity toity lol nt
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 12:23 AM
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29. In the years it was at its peak...
...both commercially and artistically, it had moved far beyond the whorehouse and could be found everywhere from bars to Carnegie Hall.

The American public is just fickle. ;-)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 01:16 AM
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63. That is the funny part.
:)

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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 01:43 AM
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77. did you know that Pres. Chavez loves Kenny G.?
you can put that in your thread....
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 01:48 AM
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79. Oh, no. That may be the deal breaker, right there.
:)
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lordsummerisle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 12:17 AM
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25. Saved?

The recordings are already out there... if there's fewer people listening, well, you can't force people to buy recordings and go to concerts.

A similar situation exists for bluegrass...the original bluegrass music is still performed and followed by some but bluegrass has also evolved well beyond what Bill Monroe had in mind to where purists won't even refer to it as bluegrass.

It's just what sometimes happens to music, love it or hate it...
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Liberation Angel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 12:20 AM
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26. Listen to John and Alice Coltrane's son Ravi here (link)
http://www.myspace.com/ravicoltrane

enjoy

and pass it along to your kids
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 12:25 AM
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30. Two observations:
1. Fusion fucked everything up.

2. I fucking hate that fusion shit.

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Liberation Angel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 12:33 AM
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39. I don't know- Billy Cobham, Miles and Mahavishnu John Mclaughlin were pretty sweet
Miles gotta into some serious fusion

Cobham was incredible

and Mahavishnu Orchestra was beyond Nirvana

fusion was just evolution

one branch

it filled a void

i still love some of that stuff

"Lotus Feet" by McLaughlin is samadhi

and Coltrane would have approved

(and his wife Alice was not guilt free in her own mad bliss fusions either)
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 12:36 AM
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41. "and Coltrane would have approved"
He had poor judgment.

:P
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Liberation Angel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 12:46 AM
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47. ?
i'm just sayin'

pop fusion sucked

but some rovked harder than almost anything

right now listening to some fusion Miles davis on WPKN 89.5 fm I linked below

fusion was cool madness when it was not shlock
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 12:52 AM
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52. Cobham's Spectrum was badassery in motion
But his fusion was as much a marriage of jazz and greasy funk as it was rock, which set it apart from much of the others in the genre. I think Vickers has a point, the bulk (not all of it) of fusion has been tepid, meandering, self-important weedly-weedly.
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Liberation Angel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 01:06 AM
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55. ALL Cobham (almost) was badassery
so was a lot of the best fusion

Miles Davis took this electrification of jazz-funk and guitars to new ecstatic whirls...
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 01:14 AM
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62. amen....seeing them live in 72 or 73 was what got me listening to jazz.
saw them at the Quiet Knight in chicago.

sat right in front of them, and Cobham's sweat flew off his sticks and onto our table/into our faces all night long

then saw JM by himself at a Buddhist monastery near Old Town. hard to describe that.

My Goal's Beyond....

his version of Good Bye, Porkpie Hat....
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Liberation Angel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 01:41 AM
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76. Lotus Feet is really heaven on earth
and nobody played faster than cobham percussively

or mclaughlin on guitar

relly

anyone who says fusions sucks just missed the cutting edge jazz at the beginning

and thought weather report was the peak
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B3Nut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 01:18 AM
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66. Tony Williams Lifetime.
Both with John McLaughlin on guitar and later with Ted Dunbar. Larry Young took the Hammond to space in that band, with Tony propelling the rocketship like a madman.

Check out cuts like "Emergency," "Vashkar," or "Allah Be Praised"....some insane shit! Sun Ra was way out too...

Todd in Cheesecurdistan
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 12:50 AM
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50. At the risk of sounding like a Rushian, ditto. nt
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 12:26 AM
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31. Listen to Allen Toussaint's new version of Monk's "Mississippi Bright."
And listen to Thelonius Monk's Monteray Jazz Fest (1964) version. Jazz dead? Buzz off blue fly!
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 12:32 AM
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36. Ha! I just put "The Bright Mississippi" CD on my MP3 player.
Great stuff.

:thumbsup:

Have you heard the album he did with Elvis Costello (The River In Reverse) ? Excellent.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 12:45 AM
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46. I'll have to check out the EC album.
Music, almost all jazz and classical, spill out from the lookout tower from early morning until late afternoon. When I sign off during the day for a "10 minute out of service" break (everyone knows I'm going to the outhouse) I turn the volume up to remind me to check back in on the radio when I return. When I walk back from the outhouse I listen. And I think: "Where on earth is that Vivaldi "Gloria" coming from?"
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Liberation Angel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 12:37 AM
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42. WPKN 89.5 fm right now (Bridgeport CT) (LINK)
Edited on Sun Aug-09-09 12:39 AM by Liberation Angel
the lower end of my radio dial is full of jazz right now

Jazz doesn't need saving

but we do need to hip our kids to it

http://www.wpkn.org/
streaming
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Liberation Angel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 12:41 AM
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44. I just called in a request: cool Miles playing now
Edited on Sun Aug-09-09 12:47 AM by Liberation Angel
so listen!

I owuld bookmark this site for ALL kinds of progressive music

Saturday night is amazing though

Nikki, the DJ, dedicates her show to persons "behind the prison walls"
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Liberation Angel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 01:03 AM
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53. oh well - jazz show's over for now
but still recommend this station anytime

many good shows
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 01:20 AM
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67. are they online?
I'll call in a request
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Liberation Angel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 01:39 AM
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75. Yeah but tonght's jazz is over - cool irish style rock on now
or something kinda rockish

and indy flava

but bookmark it for around 10 or eeven on saturday nites

nicki is awesome (DJ)

she played lost of miles. coltrane. stuff i never heard

more obscure but really good
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 12:43 AM
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45. A couple of posters have hit on the reasons for the decline in listeners.
1) Taking music education out of public schools.

2) Corporate/commercial domination of the airwaves. (This has negatively affected all forms of creative music, not just jazz.)

3) Gentrification of the music. (The Wynton/Lincoln Center effect is the same as sticking a pin through a butterfly and putting it under glass in a dusty museum.)



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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 01:07 AM
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57. My brother is a working jazz muscian. He's working tonight.
Do we know for sure there is a down tic? Maybe there isn't one here? :shrug:
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B3Nut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 01:29 AM
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71. You nailed it.
And I have issues with the annoying Marsalis prejudice against jazz organists, as if Jimmy Smith/Jack McDuff/Larry Young et. al. don't belong in the jazz pantheon, when they damn well do. Butterfly under glass in a dusty museum, indeed.

TP
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islandmkl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 01:53 AM
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82. two words:
Groove Holmes...i can listen to his early 60's 'Misty' any time of the day, any day...

i seem to have a large quantity of Hammond players in my collection, and i would venture that Marsalis would be hard-pressed, as talented as he is, to find some 'line' of improvisation that Groove, Brother Jack, et al. could not only keep up with, but send to different places...
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 12:49 AM
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48. If I didn't have jazz, I'd have no music at all. nt
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 12:52 AM
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51. ditto
well said.
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 01:17 AM
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65. It's a dying genre. That happens. People lost interest and moved on.
Edited on Sun Aug-09-09 01:20 AM by LostInAnomie
Kind of like Bluegrass, Zydeco, and Folk music. Jazz just has some kind of weird pretentiousness where people think it should be immune to fading away for some reason.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 01:25 AM
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68. some people are pretentious about jazz....I know plenty, but the
music is definitely pretentious

pretentious is, say, philip glass
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 02:39 AM
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90. I used to stay up late with one of my uncles listening to original swing
recordings. We were like addicts. And it can still hit me that way, and nothing else will be played in this house for a week. Unless someone puts on some Django Reinhardt and that's another week, right there. It's like dope around here. lol



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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 03:05 AM
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95. Django!!!
Gypsy swing is the sort of jazz that can be readily updated for modern audiences. It's pleasing to the ear, not too arcane, and it has a driving rhythmic stomp that's irresistable. This dude turns Django into full bore shred, with the sort of busy-ness and bombast that hooks today's audiences from the git:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koX0ZtUOYNM
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 03:16 AM
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96. Omg, he's great!
What is it, there's something so exciting about that kind of guitar. Too much going on, intoxicating. :thumbsup:
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 03:42 AM
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99. I love him too
Joscho Stephan, a wholly remarkable musician. Gyspy style is his forte.

But that's Django for you, like what I was talking about below. So musical, so accessible to anyone. It's jazz, but with a blistering exuberance and groove, not something that hovers in a rarified orbit few can visit. I love all kinds, even some of the most bent jazz excursions, but his music belies the notion that you can't be broadly appealing and "true."
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 03:17 AM
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97. Thank you, I mostly agree. Jazz is not forever. n/t
PB
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 03:57 AM
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100. Jazz, like bluegrass, Zydeco and folk, is enjoyed by many people
Edited on Sun Aug-09-09 03:58 AM by EFerrari
and all over the world. It's not a dying genre in the least. It doesn't even have a cold.

Just because it isn't blaring all over cable 24/7 doesn't mean millions of people don't play it, listen to it and buy it.
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Liberation Angel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 01:31 AM
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72. Jazz will never need to be saved: Listen to this sublime insanity!
Edited on Sun Aug-09-09 01:48 AM by Liberation Angel
if you are too impatient drag the cursor to 1:25 and go from there

One of my favorite pieces of music from the twentieth century

and it will make you smile

and it is giddy with prefusion electricity

and you WILL love it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfDqR4fqIWE
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 01:33 AM
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74. Who here doesn't love the Charlie Brown theme?
Everybody does. And if they can remember it, the "Skating" song is another one they enjoy. Then whip out Vince Guaraldi's hit, "Cast Your Fate to the Wind" and it'll spark recognition and delight as well.

It's up to jazz to remember that there's no shame in making pop music for the masses. You won't violate your integrity if you write a song with a hook, as long as it's a good one. It'll still be a slog, people are addicted to bombast and instant payoff nowadays. But at the same time, their ears are already used to being tweaked a bit by dissonance, delayed resolution, and odd time signatures from the likes of hip hop and metal.
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Liberation Angel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 01:47 AM
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78. Yeah but that is not really jazz
not really

just an imitation of jazz

jazz is not ...

white

or neat

it is heat and fluid

sweltering blues

screams and wails

Africa and slavery and the caribbean

and soul

and blood

and funk

and city and country

it is not trite or banal

if it is real jazz

Charlie brown was okay music and was a little jazzy-pop

but it was not real jazz

not really

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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 02:07 AM
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86. Which is largely the objection to fusion
Square, cerebral, soulless. Yet, you've enjoyed moments of glory in the genre.

Charlie Brown may not be jazz for the ages, but it's undeniably of the jazz idiom and it's poppy as all get out. It certainly ain't Kenny G and it ain't Sade. Rhapsody in Blue is broadway fluff, but it's wonderful music. Same for Bernstein's Sharks vs Jets. All of them kept the public's ear attuned to the jazz wavelength and they were good music in their own right. A public hungry for jazzish compositions can support an ecosystem varied and vibrant underneath. Jazz isn't for everybody, it's more challenging to the ear than the most baroque, architecturally dense classical. So, if the broad consuming public is receptive to something akin to Girl From Ipanema or Charlie Brown, it's a win for jazz. And good music.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 02:25 AM
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89. charlie, this is my bro's last CD.
http://www.jr.com/product/music/pm/_895757/

That was 2006. He's due for something new but knowing him, I'll be the last person to know.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 02:57 AM
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92. Get outta here
That's your bro? Lucky, lucky, the both of you! I'm the only musician in a stodgy, constipated family. What I wouldn't have given for another who knows. I love my sisters impossibly, but neither is a writer or a creative sort like you.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 02:58 AM
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93. Well, you didn't hear him when he sounded like an elephant in labor.
:rofl:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 02:11 AM
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87. Guaraldi used to play at a peanut bar up in Palo Alto
He was great. :)
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 02:23 AM
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88. Peanut bar?
Skippy and rum cocktails? Bar staff named Linus and Lucy? :D

If you got to see him in a cozy bar, I'm envious.
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shellgame26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 02:05 AM
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85. lifelong jazz lover
I'll never stop listening to jazz.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 02:52 AM
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91. Can I put in a plug for my FAVE JAZZ CLUB here in L.A?
Well in the SFV, Victory and Woodman, Charlie O's --- I've seen more amazing amazing music there!!!

It truly saddens me that a lot of the musicians that I'm fortunate to see there make their livings in Europe, Japan, South America....wtf is wrong with Americans that this is the case!!

Locals and visitors, call me if you want to meet me at C.O's!

K8-EEE is a jazz baby for sure. July/Aug calendar here!

http://www.charlieos.com/html/calendar.html
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 04:01 AM
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101. Cool. I'm going to check it out. Thanks, K8-EEE.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 03:01 AM
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94. Well, you really need to know where to look for it yes? Though as a practical matter...
Jazz is an improvised line ergo therefore DUer HeY-hEy PreSto!! - inhabits no-less than an extended shelf life beyond even Cheetos, Doritos and left over boneless BBQ honey glazed chicken-wings while being in the process fully unencumbered & transferable -----> to US!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6AVc5CPOuk&feature=PlayList&p=351CDE067A71D808&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=61

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOZR6TrmbY0&feature=PlayList&p=73F05EC1D1789080&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=20

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv9nyBcoOTo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RpfoH0drZ8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytwSy9qM9Rg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqmUgDUx7o0&feature=related

Sorry, but *this* one is for me :) -----> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StDLnFrbi78

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxDq65Wjua8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT4-mBAC6KA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT4-mBAC6KA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqGuFfeAdgw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgBVWx_1TKs&feature=related

Yes, no doubt, you'll hear similar strains and clusters of harmonic associations...but it *is* still jazz and so comfortable like America's favorites bathrobe maybe a clipped thread here maybe there who knows - but mostly comfy, cozy, known, understood, pensive, bright, and shiny anew

Oh! :think: And if you will indulge me; brown paper puppies all tied up in string, these are a few of my favorite things

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_n-gRS_wdI
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Drifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 06:19 AM
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102. Jazz is not dead ...
It just smells funny.

-FZ
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 08:45 AM
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105. My car and sail boat radios are always on the local jazz station.
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Hotler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 09:49 AM
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106. kuvo.org on the web. 89.3 fm denver public radio
or the jazz channel on comcast
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 10:05 AM
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108. Jazz and Apple have the same problem: people predicting its death.
Jazz is never a big money maker. Same goes for classical music. Both survive.


There is hope for the future.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lNE7jWA5AE

And she is teaching the art to some very lucky students Berklee College of Music


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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 11:06 AM
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110. jazz isn't going away, its evolving
Edited on Sun Aug-09-09 11:07 AM by ensho
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 01:16 PM
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112. Yes.
I have numerous old jazz LPs. Not all of them are in the greatest of condition, but they still make mighty fine listening.
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