Coburn on the Senate floor now...

[kirby]

He is trying to pass a bill to give all the clunkers to 'poor people'.

[RandySF]

1. There should be plenty

On the front lawns of Oklahoma.

[rwheeler31]

2. He is just trying to change the bill so the house has to

come back .

[NRaleighLiberal]

3. I've been watching a bit of the debates this afternoon. McCain (golfclub dude), Colburn, Shelby

(he of bad, bad hair and ridiculous words), Kyl - if there has ever been a more malevolent, useless, dysfunctional, obnoxious, meaningless group of senators in history as this bunch of GOP bananas, it is hard to imagine!

[SalmonChantedEvening]

4. The poor people of Oklahoma already have you Tom. n/t

[PA Democrat]

5. + 1

[Selatius]

6. Bullshit. Middle class folks pushing their gas-guzzling, thus expensive, SUVs on the poorest?

That is something that should be opposed. When gas goes up to 4 dollars/gallon again, the poor will get fucked over.

[glowing]

7. Actually give or sell. If its give, I'm sure there are a lot of poor people or

organizations who could really use one of these clunkers.. Not all of them have been clunkers. A truck may be helpful to an organization like habitat for humanity. A van might be helpful to a senior citizen program.

but the idea is to get the cars that have poor mpg off the road. So, if you want to get more cars into these poor people's hands. .You give them a bigger voucher towards the purchase of a new vehicle.

[kirby]

8. Bad idea...

That would completely cancel out the entire fuel efficiency purpose of the program! At this point the program has increased the fuel efficient by 9.8 MPG between the clunkers and the cars traded in. Not destroying the cars would eliminate that purpose and turn it into a car subsidy only.

[glowing]

9. Did you read my second paragraph?

It might not be such a horrible thing for an agency to have a freebie, but the idea is to have more cars on the road that get better gas mi. If he wants poor people to have access to an automobile, he needs to create a larger incentive/ voucher for those who are unable to turn in their clunkers because a payment would still be too much for them.. If they got a $9- $10,000.00 voucher, then they could buy a nice new car that was reliable and safe... OR they could just hand out $10,000.00 to each person in America and we could choose how to stimulate. School payments, braces, car, down payment on a home, pool sources with 5 friends and have $50,000.00 to put in towards a business.. that would be even better.... And yes, some people would pay off bills... So, they pay off bills and then they have more disposable income every month, than paying a c.c. company off.

[kirby]

10. Apparently I didnt...

Sorry about that.

Coburn doesn't want poor people to have access to an auto, he wants to score cheap political points and try to kill the bill.

1/3 of the Stimulus package was lowering the tax withholding so people had more money in their paychecks and that increased their disposable income.