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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 10:39 PM
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Tort Deform – One Example of How the GOP Uses Disinformation to Drum up Support for their Policies
Republicans call it tort reform – just as they call their air pollution enabling act a “Clear Skies Act”. But like so many of their policies, the main purpose of “tort reform” is to decrease the accountability of powerful corporations for the harm that their actions may cause to the American people – which is done by severely limiting the right of the people to seek redress in the courts for such harm.

Though I have considered myself a liberal Democrat all of my adult life, I had long been persuaded of the Republican point of view on this issue, until I read Ralph Nader’s “No Contest: Corporate Lawyers and the Perversion of Justice in America”. Like so many other Americans, I had an intense dislike for trial lawyers in the abstract (though I liked most of the ones I knew personally) and my favorite jokes were lawyer jokes. And like so many other Americans, I was disgusted at what I perceived as an overly litiginous society characterized by a multitude of trivial lawsuits, which I believed led to skyrocketing costs that hurt us all.

So strongly did I feel about this that when I suffered a severe eye injury caused by shampoo (which has since resulted in repeated episodes of severe eye pain, requiring 50-100 doctor visits over the next 18 years) I refused to sue for damages even though my ophthalmologist was outraged enough to call in a complaint to the manufacturer and encourage me to sue for a large sum of money. Instead, I reasoned that the accident was largely my fault, and I quickly settled for the manufacturer’s offer to reimburse me for a single emergency room visit in return for signing away my rights to any future litigation.

Perhaps the best publicized and most famous tort case in American history is the one in which a woman sued McDonald’s after spilling hot coffee on herself. That case still serves today, 15 years later, as the “poster boy” for tort reform in the United States. And like so many other Americans, I found it incredible and outrageous – before I understood the facts of the case – that anyone could successfully sue for a huge sum of money for spilling coffee on herself. That and other stories like it are used as powerful weapons to persuade American citizens to support the type of “tort reform” that Republicans have tried, with much success, to impose on our country.

I don’t know how many Americans today are familiar with the facts of that case, as opposed to the corporate/Republican propaganda version. But I have talked with few or no people who are familiar with it, and recently I received an e-mail from a friend of mine that caused me to feel that corporate America continues to be more successful in propagandizing that case than I imagined. My friend is a long time liberal Democrat who despises George W. Bush, and yet her e-mail passed on a statement that ridiculed the hot coffee lady victim, her case, and the legal system that allows such cases to be pursued successfully.


The McDonald’s spilled coffee tort case

On February 27, 1992, 79 year old Stella Liebeck pulled the lid off a cup of hot coffee she had just purchased from McDonalds, following which some of the coffee spilled onto her lap, causing third degree burns of her genitals, inner thigh and buttocks. She spent 8 days in the hospital undergoing painful skin grafting and debridement of her wounds, following which she had to return to the hospital for additional skin grafting and was immobilized for several months.

Two years after the accident Liebeck wrote a letter to McDonald’s, without financial demands, asking them to please lower the temperature of their coffee. McDonald’s wrote back offering her $800, which angered her and thus motivated her to hire a lawyer. Her lawyer filed suit for $100,000 in compensatory damages plus $300,000 in punitive damages, and the case went to court.

In court, the following salient evidence came out: 1) McDonald’s sold its coffee at 185 degrees F, despite an industry standard of 120-130 degrees; 2) McDonald’s was aware that a burn hazard exists at 140 degrees and that the temperatures at which they pour their coffee into styrofoam cups will burn the mouth and throat; 3) Over a ten year period, more than 700 instances of burns from scalding coffee, including burns of infants and children, had been reported to McDonald’s; 4) During the same period of time, McDonald’s had settled several law suits, most of them out of court; 5) Yet they continued to serve coffee at dangerous temperatures because most of their customers like it like that, since they don’t open the cup or drink the coffee until they get to work, by which time it has had time to cool. Thus, it is a cost-benefit issue for McDonald’s.

The jury awarded Liebeck $200,000 in compensatory damages (double what her lawyer asked for), but reduced it to $160,000 because they held her to be 20% responsible for her accident. They also awarded her $2.7 million in punitive damages, which the judge reduced to $480,000. Both sides appealed the verdict, and later they settled out of court for an amount which McDonald’s required (as part of the deal) be undisclosed to the public.


Are lawsuits in the United States “out of control”?

The momentum for “tort reform” in the United States is fueled by the oft repeated talking point, that “Everybody knows lawsuits are out of control”, as Tucker Carlson has said. More specifically, the belief is carefully cultivated by corporate America that “out of control” lawsuits are causing good businesses to go under and doing great harm the average citizen by causing prices to rise beyond reasonable expectations.

How can we judge such things? Is it really true that a small number of greedy, litiginous citizens are hurting the rest of us and damaging the American economy through a barrage of trivial law suits? Or, are most large law suits against corporations a reasonable and fair response to corporate malfeasance?

That is unquestionably a very difficult question to answer, since a thorough answer would require access to statistics that somehow separated “reasonable” from “frivolous” lawsuits, along with the amount of damages awarded in each case – and the amount of damages are frequently required by the alleged corporate offender to be undisclosed to the public, as part of the settlement deal.

But short of obtaining a full understanding of the situation, there are some clues that we can look to – in addition to the fact that the corporate “poster boy” case, i.e. the McDonald’s case I discussed above, is based on carefully cultivated misinformation.


Are lawsuits hurting good businesses?

Ralph Nader describes the typical whining by powerful corporations about lawsuits:

The same profitable companies that have told Congress and the media that the product liability "explosion" is driving their business out of business have reported something quite different to investors and the Securities and Exchange Commission. Time after time, the same companies report in their SEC filings that liability exposure poses no material threat to their bottom line.

Nader provides several examples in his article to back up his claims. To me, the point is starkly made by the insurance company CEO who made $250,000 per week (that’s his own private salary) while his lobbyists were pushing legislators for a cap on lawsuits of that same amount, for a lifetime of pain and suffering by victims of medical malpractice. Somehow I just don’t see the great societal need for such a limitation on the right of citizens to seek damages through our court system against wealthy corporations such as that.

One of the biggest targets for “tort reform” is medical malpractice. The claim is frequently made that medical malpractice claims are the major cause of rising health care costs in our country. Yet, a study showed that in states that had limited jury awards for malpractice, doctors’ insurance premiums rose 48% more than in states that hadn’t done that. And it is well documented that both medical malpractice payouts and premiums account for less than 1% of health care costs in the U.S. And in any event, if the medical profession adequately policed its own, malpractice premiums and payouts would be considerably less than they are.


Some common sense considerations

When individual citizens bring lawsuits against powerful corporations it is like David going up against Goliath. The amount of money that these corporations have at their disposal to hire legal counsels is truly awesome. As a medical officer in the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), it seems that almost every time I attend a meeting with a medical device manufacturer to discuss public health issues involving their product, they bring a team of lawyers with them. With that kind of legal representation, compared to the legal representation available to most ordinary American citizens, what sense does it make to believe that monetary awards against corporations are frequently excessive?

And for the occasional jury that does award an excessive amount of money to a plaintiff, our court system is filled with conservative judges who often come to the rescue of the corporations. Why do we need legislation to put a cap on awards to the victims of corporate malfeasance?

The Reagan administration, and now the George W. Bush administration, has deregulated industry after industry in their attempts to free corporations from accountability for the damages that they may cause to people. In such an environment, redress through the courts is the only remaining tool that we have to make corporations accountable for the harm that they cause people in their quest for ever more profits. What reasonable excuse is there for severely and arbitrarily limiting such redress? Isn’t suing for damages a vital part of the rule of law that is needed to hold the powerful accountable for the harm that they do to the weak? Isn’t that a vital part of any capitalist system? If awards for damages are capped at levels that mean little to wealthy corporations, then what mechanisms are left to keep them from hurting us?


Recent “tort reform” bills pushed by Republicans

In 2006 our Republican Congress and the Bush administration pushed a bill called “A bill to improve patient access to health care services and provide improved medical care by reducing the excessive burden the liability system places on the health care delivery system”. It seems that the only time that Republicans are in favor of improving access to health care is when they claim to accomplish that goal simply by putting caps on malpractice claims. Fortunately, Senate Democrats filibustered that bill to death.

We weren’t so lucky with the “Class Action Fairness Act”, which our Republican Congress pushed through in 2005, and which George W. Bush then signed into law. With the tremendous power imbalance that exists between wealthy corporations and individual citizens, one of the few ways that people have of fighting back against corporations is to combine together to file class action suits. The Class Action Fairness Act severely curtails that possibility by requiring that class action suits be filed in federal rather than in state courts. Virtually all experts who analyzed this bill agree that it will prevent most class action suits from ever seeing the light of day – which indeed was the purpose of the bill.


A final word on “tort reform” and John Edwards’ presidential candidacy

Why finish this post with some words about John Edwards? Well, the Valerie Lakey case is perhaps the defining case of John Edwards’ career as a trial lawyer and at the same time a rallying cry for tort reformers because of the record setting $25 million that the pool drain company settled for.

Valerie Lakey was a five year old girl who got stuck in a swimming pool because of a pool drain which suctioned up 80% of her small intestine, thus requiring her to receive food through a tube for the rest of her life. Without going into the details of the case, suffice it to say that it was the pool drain’s negligence which was largely responsible for the accident. The $25 million didn’t even include punitive damages, which the family forsook because they desperately needed the money to pay for medical expenses, and pursuing punitive damages would have greatly prolonged the case with appeals.

We all know that if John Edwards wins the Democratic presidential nomination he will be mercilessly pilloried by his Republican opponents as a “predatory trial lawyer”. Here is a description of how Edwards intends to handle that:

His background also will provide his opponents with a juicy target. Personal injury lawyers are only slightly more popular than newspaper reporters.

Edwards says that he doesn't think standing up for average people is a political liability, and that he will be ready for any such attacks. "I absolutely believe that what I've been doing for the last 22 years is perfect preparation for going to Washington and advocating for the people,'' he said..."I'm proud of what I have done,'' Edwards said. "I am more than happy to have Valerie Lakey and Joe Blaney, whose wife was killed by a drunk driver a year ago - any of these folks - stand up and speak on my behalf, which I know they will. Whatever issue they raise about that, I intend to take it head-on.

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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 10:42 PM
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1. K&R.nt
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 10:48 PM
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2. THANK. YOU.
Edited on Tue Apr-10-07 10:50 PM by philosophie_en_rose
Thank you for sharing the truth about tort protections for tortfeasors. I don't think that many people realize how much effort and evidence is needed to succeed in court, especially against a corporation like McDonalds.

Real people are injured every day, because corporations believe that the risk of paying judgments is more acceptable than mitigating risks now. Trial lawyers like John Edwards help people in need, while confronting the heartless calculus that puts profit before lives. This is why we get pintos and melamine pet food and poisoned green onions.

I hope that people that view "trial lawyer" as an insult remember Valerie Lakey.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 07:42 AM
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10. Yes exactly -- People don't realize what's going on, largely because our corporate news media
does whatever it can to obscure the situation, rather than try to elucidate it.

The bottom line is that the Bush administration and virtually all of the Republican Party wants to get rid of ALL means of holding corporations accountable for their actions. It looks like the court system is our last defense, and they want to take away that too.

Having John Edwards run for President could be very educational to the American people in that regard -- whether he gets the nomination or wins or not.
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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 10:54 PM
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3. Personally, I have never fallen
for the gop tort reform. It runs on propaganda.
Took a look at the Manhattan Institute and saw where they are solidly behind this.
They have also pushed the idea of "junk science" which was solved in the courts through the Daubert decision. This requires that the mainstream medical community put their seal of approval on claims of illness from products, espcially chemicals.

This has encouraged tight controls on publication of articles linking products with illnesses. Who advertises in the journals? Who donates to the building fund of medical societies? Who buys trips and dinners for the doctors?

Corporations consider chemical injury cases as a big threat. When these illnesses are acknowledged, they say the floodgates will open. They are holding it back with Daubert but are hoping for tort reform so they will be entirely off the hook.

Until those floodgates do open though, we will be living with the consequences.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 10:55 PM
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4. Tort reform in the GOP way means all rights belong to the elite
everyone else is just fish bait.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 11:08 PM
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5. Presented with clarity and knowledge...
thank you Time for change. This deserves a read from everyone.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 09:29 AM
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14. Thank you BushDespiser
I think that, unfortunately, this is an issue that turns some well meaning people into Republicans -- and it is all because they are fooled by a well run disinformation campaign that is well disguised as something else.
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 11:08 PM
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6. I was young and working at a McDonalds when that happened....
And we (manager and all) took the temperature of a cup of large coffee just to see how hot it was. It was around 203 degress, only 9 degrees lower than boiling point!
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 01:14 PM
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21. Very interesting -- Do you remember what was the reaction of your management to that?
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 03:37 PM
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26. It was shortly after that....
that all McDonalds corporate and franchise stores had the coffee makers fixed to lower the temp. I imagine that store wasn't the only one with boiling coffee.
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 11:42 PM
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7. There was a good article discussing how bad the change in Texas law has been for ordinary Texans in
Texas Monthly magazine by Mimi Swartz. Here's an excerpt:
Two years ago, rich and powerful Texans said lawsuits were ruining the state’s economy and needed to be fairer. Today, thanks to tort reform, they are fairer for business. Ordinary people are out of luck.

LIKE A LOT OF OLD-FASHIONED TEXANS, Alvin Berry is the kind of man who bears the pain and indignities of life with good grace. At 73, Alvin has never been a rich man, but in his youth he managed to maneuver himself from the rolling plains of Central Texas to the industrialized eastern corner of the state, where he worked his way up to maintenance superintendent at a chemical plant in Texas City. After he retired, he moved to a small ranch near Izoro, in Lampasas County, on property inherited by his wife of almost fifty years, Carla Jean. Despite the twinkle in his eyes and his love of a good story, Alvin is not a frivolous man: He wears his snowy-white hair parted in the middle and brushed back, Depression-era-style, is an elder of his church, votes Republican, and, for most of his life, never dreamed of involving himself in something as crazy as a lawsuit.

But Alvin also has, in common with many Texans, a keenly developed sense of fairness, and something happened two years ago that struck him as just plain wrong. He had endured several surgeries: a hip replacement in 1999, which required additional surgery in 2000, and in 2002, a triple bypass, after which he experienced uncontrolled bleeding and heart failure; the doctors had to open him up again right on his hospital bed. Alvin made no complaint; as Carla Jean pointed out, those doctors had saved his life. But then, in 2003, Alvin got some lab tests with disturbing results. He’d been having kidney stones, and now his prostate-specific antigen test showed an elevated score. He didn’t like that; the nurse at the chemical plant had been a stickler for this test, so he knew that a high score could indicate cancer. His family doctor was worried enough to send him to a urologist, and that is when the trouble started. Don’t worry, Alvin recalls the doctor telling him. Kidney stones can elevate your PSA. Go home. Relax. But five months later, in September, Alvin still had stones, and when he took Carla Jean in for her physical, he asked a nurse to check his PSA. It was up again, to 86 from 12.6. He called his urologist, who, a little more brusquely, told him not to worry. But Alvin couldn’t stop worrying. In November he got it checked again; now his level was 166. “Then he got all excited,” Alvin says of his doctor, who immediately ordered a biopsy.

The news wasn’t good: Alvin had prostate cancer, and it had already spread to his bones in twenty places. Right away the doctor put him on daily medication and a $4,000 injection three times a year. The money wasn’t a big problem—Alvin had insurance—but he couldn’t help stewing about his predicament. “If he’d caught it earlier, it wouldn’t have been in my bones,” Alvin says. It bothered him too that the doctor hadn’t looked him in the eye when he’d delivered the bad news and that he’d never said he was sorry, even as he gave Alvin, at best, five years to live. “I’ll tell you what upset me so much,” he says today. “Other than that, I was in pretty good health. We had a ranch out in the country, goats and cattle.” Because Alvin didn’t want his wife to be left alone in the middle of nowhere, they sold the house and part of the ranch and moved into a modest brick home atop a hill in Copperas Cove, outside Killeen. He tried to control his anger, but he felt his final years had been stolen from him: “That doctor thought he was right and the world was wrong. He didn’t give me the opportunity to make the decision of what to do with my life.”

Personally, Alvin had always been against lawsuits. He thought there were too many of them, and he didn’t think people should be able to win multimillion-dollar awards for situations they could have prevented, like the smokers who sued tobacco companies. Alvin had voted for Proposition 12 back in 2003, which amended the Texas constitution to limit noneconomic damages (usually pain and suffering) in medical malpractice cases to $250,000. “I think there are too many frivolous lawsuits,” he says. “But you ought to have the right to sue if you’ve been wronged.” Alvin sure didn’t think what had happened to him was frivolous, and he didn’t want to give his doctor the chance to be so arrogantly dismissive of anyone else. So on a sunny Saturday in April 2004, he found himself in a Hillsboro coffee shop with a pretty auburn-haired lawyer named Kelly Reddell.

Kelly had good news and bad news. The good news was, in her opinion, that Alvin had definitely been the victim of malpractice. The bad news was that it would probably take up to two years to litigate, and if he won the case, Alvin would take home substantially less than the maximum of $250,000 the state of Texas had decided an injury like his could be worth. “Is this something you are ready to sign on for?” she asked.

Here's a link to the whole story: http://www.hobb.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=575&Itemid=159
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 05:41 AM
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9. Yes, this article makes a very good point
They get people to support ridiculously low caps on lawsuits by making people believe that almost all suits are frivolous. Then people are out of luck when they find them selves the victims of corporate -- or individual medical -- malfeasance. What's wrong with letting a jury decide?
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 09:52 AM
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16. That's the logical problem with damage caps: if there is a problem with frivolous lawsuits (which
makes no sense to me because filing baseless suits seems like a bad and unsustainable business model for any lawyer), certainly caps on damages won't fix that alleged problem because frivolous lawsuits are not the type of lawsuits that would be resolved at high amounts that would be affected by a cap. A cap on damages seems specifically targeted at the most well-justified lawsuits which might be resolved for a larger amount that would be cut down by the cap. Caps are clearly a scam.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 12:02 PM
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19. Very good point -- caps are NOT targeted at frivolous lawsuits
It seems that many proponents of "tort reform" may recognize that, although it is certainly not the message that they try to push out there.

I had a discussion a couple years ago with a friend of mine who is a physician and was aggressively against John Edwards because he was a successful trial lawyer. I explained to her that Edwards had a plan for preventing frivolous lawsuits -- which I thought might impress her. Her reaction was that it wasn't frivolous lawsuits that concerned her -- rather it was the ones that had the potential for huge monetary awards.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 12:43 AM
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8. This is a really good thread.
:kick:
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 07:51 AM
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11. Wow - awesome
THANK YOU!!
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 08:02 AM
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12. The courts are supposed to be the people's way of redress
to protect our rights and our person

"tort reform" does nothing but strip the people of the ability to do so

What some folks call technicalities, I call rights



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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 08:24 PM
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31. Yes, one of many rights that have gone by the wayside since December 2000
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 08:19 AM
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13. We desperately need tort reform in this country
I don't give a crud about what lawyers benefit from it. It is the only resource for people seeking damages from products, prescription drugs, or what have you. There must be a way for you and me to fight malfeasance. It is not fair that cooperations buy and sell our judiciary system.

There MUST be change. Change that reflects a government by and for.
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flamin lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 09:44 AM
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15. Thanks for putting things into perspective. Bush pushed
tort reform through Texas and insurance rates went up.
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:37 AM
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17. Thank you for posting the truth. Also, apparently Dave Lakey is a DUer
Edited on Wed Apr-11-07 10:42 AM by never cry wolf
The link you provided to the Lakey case included a link to Dave Lakey's web page and his 3rd link is to DU.

http://www.mindspring.com/%7Edlakey/index.html

If you are reading this Dave my heart goes out to you and I hope Valerie is doing ok.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 06:21 PM
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29. Wow, I didn't know that -- such a sad case
I don't think that the Republicans are about to try to spin that one like they spun the McDonald's coffee spill case.
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:45 AM
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18. thanks for that. It is so easy to fall in line with those
right wing agitators pushing for tort reform. The education efforts must be constant.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:00 PM
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33. That's true -- and is also true about most areas of politics today
The corporate news media is much more interested in maintaining their power than they are in providing us with real news. So we have to find ways to get the news out ourselves.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 12:11 PM
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20. K&R
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 02:29 PM
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22. There are many alternatives to handling frivolous law suits if they are seen as a big problem
John Edwards himself put forth a plan for holding attorneys accountable if they pursued frivolous lawsuits:

I have proposed that we put additional responsibilities on attorneys who file malpractice cases by requiring that they have the cases reviewed by independent experts who determine that they are serous and meritorious before a case can be filed and that the attorneys certify that this has been done. If an attorney fails to meet their obligations the attorney would be held accountable. And I would impose a three strikes and you're out rule so that if an attorney violated the requirement three times they would lose their right to file such cases for a substantial period of time.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=623271&mesg_id=623271

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Tejanocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 03:00 PM
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25. The ancient Greek legal system had an interesting way of dealing with groundless lawsuits. First,
you have to understand that the jury system was also a public welfare system. Juries would consist of hundreds or even thousands of citizens, and in exchange for their jury service, the jurors were provided food and a small allowance to get by on. If you brought a claim and failed to persuade a majority of jurors, you lost. If you failed to persuade at least a fifth of the jurors, you were either fined or prohibited from ever bringing that same kind of suit in the future.

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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 02:48 PM
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23. This is information that all Americans need but won't get from the current MSM...n/t
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 02:57 PM
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24. It's a big mistake, IMO, to hate lawyers, or to blame them for
a flawed legal system. I have never hated lawyers, though there are some I don't respect, and I personally have problems with our legal system which requires a "vigorous defense" for the guilty and allows "not guilty" pleas for the guilty. I personally think the emphasis should be on a quest for the truth (what really happened) and for restorative justice rather than which side can be more clever and buy the better lawyer. But all that's a subject for another thread.

I especially gained an appreciation of lawyers during the post-2000 election drama in Florida, where I could clearly see one of their absolutely essential roles in our democratic republic: if the laws are ambiguous or don't cover a contingency not thought of at the time they were written, SOMEONE has to sort that out and decide exactly what the laws DO say. That's the role of the judge, but it's real darned helpful (essential!) to have people who are well-versed in the law (lawyers) argue on the merits to the judge. The decisions become case law (once decided at the Appeals level, I think).

And that brings me to the subject of "activist judges," another Republican disinformation campaign. In the types of lawsuits I just described -- where the true meaning or applicability of the law must be sorted out -- it is the Constitutionally-mandated JOB of judges to "make law." As I said, it's called "case law," because the decisions expand or explain existing (inadequately written or out-of-date) laws in such a way that it extends the meaning and clarity of the law. THAT IS THEIR JOB -- to make law through deciding specific cases.

Now, do they sometimes go too far? Perhaps, or maybe even definitely. But you'll only see the right complaining about it when it expands the rights of people too much in their thinking. And the same for the left's complaints. Too far in one direction or another is a valid debate; whether or not judges are entitled to "make law" as an outgrowth of their decisions is not.

Sorry to get off topic. It's a great essay. Thanks. Tort lawyers are an absolutely essential cog in the "checks and balances" wheel -- people who help save us from the claws of capitalist excesses which we all know can be extreme.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 04:58 PM
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28. I very much agree with all you said here
I also have a lot of problem with our adverserial legal system. A legal system should be designed to find the truth, not to provide huge advantages to those with the most money -- which is very much the case today.

And the complaint of Republicans about "activist judges". If the Bush v. Gore decision wasn't enough to convince the American people of the blatant hypocrisy of that claim (not to mention blatant corruption), then I don't know what is.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 03:53 PM
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27. Additional note on the McDonald's Coffee Case
The plaintiff offered to settle, as I recall, for $25,000. Ronald McDonald told her to go f*** herself.

Bake, Esq.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 07:23 PM
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30. Yes, I didn't talk about that in my article
After the plaintiff asked McDonald's to please make their coffee less hot, they responded by offering, I believe it was $800. It wasn't the money that offended her, according to the article, but rather the fact that she interpreted it as an effort to "shut her up". There's probably more behind it than what was included in the article.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 09:36 PM
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32. She offered to settle for $25K, IIRC
Edited on Wed Apr-11-07 09:36 PM by dbaker41
It used to be on the ATLA site (those evil trial lawyers, you know). $25K would have made it all go away, and Ronald McDonald said NOOOOOOOO. So they got hit with a bit more than that. Served the bastards right.

Oh, another detail -- the burn sustained by the plaintiff literally peeled the flesh off her legs. I call that "pain and suffering."

Bake
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