Just saw a TV ad warning of Obama's *socialism takeover of health care*

[seafan]

On MSNBC during Rachel's program at approximately 9:48 pm ET, by a group called "The Better Government Association (BGA)". Truly a slimy piece of propaganda to confuse as many people as possible.


Went to the web site http://www.bettergovernmentassociation.com/ and saw that it now has a different name, The United States Citizens Association (USCA).


The United States Citizen Association
1655 W. Market Street | Suite 200
Akron, Ohio 44313

By Phone: [phone]




Who is behind this group? Does anyone know?

[oxymoron]

1. whois lookup info:

Visit AboutUs.org for more information about BETTERGOVERNMENTASSOCIATION.COM AboutUs: BETTERGOVERNMENTASSOCIATION.COM

Registrant:
Davis, Lance

ATTN: BETTERGOVERNMENTASSOCIATION.COM
c/o Network Solutions
P.O. Box 447
Herndon, VA20172-0447

Domain Name: BETTERGOVERNMENTASSOCIATION.COM



Administrative Contact :
Davis, Lance
[e-mail]
ATTN: BETTERGOVERNMENTASSOCIATION.COM
c/o Network Solutions
P.O. Box 447
Herndon, VA20172-0447
Phone: [phone]

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Record created on 21-Jul-2009
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WebSite Title: Welcome to the Better Government Association
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[seafan]

8. Thanks for this info. Herndon, VA seems very familiar as a headquarters for groups such as this.

Was Roger Stone's shadowy network operating out of Herndon, or am I mis-remembering.....hmmmmm.

[Mr Rabble]

20. No- Network Solutions is a name registrar based in Herndon, nothing more.

NS is a huge corporation that has nothing to do with running websites like this. I have used them to purchase domain names in the past.

Herndon is about 20-25 minutes from DC and 10 minutes from Tyson Corner- my guess is that the group would have roots in either of those places.

[hootinholler]

21. There's no corelation between NS location and anyone using them

They are the oldest registrar and used by people everywhere.

-Hoot

[Mr Rabble]

25. That was my first point.

The location is only a coincidence. Most if not all of the astroturf organizations are located in this general area.

[elleng]

2. Was it a genuine ad on Rachel's show,

or an example that she was using to show whats going on?

[seafan]

9. Fairly certain it was an actual ad. Will have to check it on the rerun. n/t

[elleng]

11. Will try to watch it later.

Shouldn't Rachel say something about it? Write to her and ask her either to clarify or admonish?

[seafan]

12. This needs to go to her. Apparently this group is stealing the identity of a nonpartisan group

...and passing off particularly nasty lies about Obama's health care reform.


We're in a pitched battle with these corporate bastards. And they are well organized and extremely well funded.

[Gabi Hayes]

3. those FUCKERS! it's what they do to confuse people. they got SUED by the real BGA for

stealing their name.

bet you didn't know that. it was 'hard' to find, but my google skills are improving a bit:

http://cbs2chicago.com/local/better.government.association.2.1114444.html

Aug 4, 2009 2:14 pm US/Central Better Government Association Sues Group With Name

Lawsuit: Ohio-Based Right Wing Group Has Taken BGA's Name


An independent, non-partisan political watchdog group formed in Chicago in 1923 does not want to be confused with a highly-partisan new group out of Akron, Ohio, also calling itself the Better Government Association.

The Akron-based group recently took out a full-page ad in USA Today claiming "Barack Obama ... and the Democrats did not inherit the bad economy; they caused it and made it worse ... They now want to bankrupt the nation with socialized medicine and socialism energy taxes."

The 86-year-old BGA has gotten calls and letters from people -- some angry -- who saw the ad, so the Chicago group is asking a federal court to prevent the Ohio group from any further activity which could cause such confusion.

The BGA filed a lawsuit in federal court in Chicago on Monday asking for a permanent injunction against the Ohio group.

[Laelth]

4. Nice work. Thanks. n/t

:dem:

-Laelth

[Gabi Hayes]

5. if you read the article, they even stole the logo, BGA 'marks,' and other stuff, clearly

to fool people into thinking that the BGA, a respected watchdog organization (around since 1923) is chiming in against health care reform, which is NOT one of their bailiwicks.

they even claim to the the PLAINTIFF in the real BGA's suit.

meanwhile, they've already changed their name, it appears

they really will stop at nothing

[seafan]

10. Great work, Gabi. Rachel could probably do a number on these people. She's on a roll. n/t

[crickets]

14. Great catch. Rachel exposed another lobbying group, Bonner & Associates, for doing the same thing.

Rachel Maddow Show' for Tuesday, August 4
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/32297942/ns/msnbc_tv-rachel_maddow_show/

Anti-Cap & Trade Lobbying Group Sends Fake Opposition Letters
http://www.delawareliberal.net/2009/07/31/anti-cap-trade-lobbying-group-sends-fake-opposition-letters/

Stealing logo & letterhead, the works. They're even writing to Congress fraudulently. Unbelievable. It's like they all have the same handbook of dirty tricks to work from.

Sorry, I know you've heard all about this watching Rachel's show; I'm just still blown away that no one's been arrested for this. Apparently it's perceived as 'safe' enough that more than one company is doing it. That's just nuts. Injunctions are great and all, but somebody ought to be sitting in jail for pulling such a stunt.

[hootinholler]

22. IIRC that group is also in Ohio n/t

[Gabi Hayes]

6. I wonder if Rachel would like to know about this, as it fits right in with

what she's talking about

since they're advertising, I wonder if she'd dare mention it

this is so infuriating......

[BirminghamExaminer]

7. And yet CNN won't play an ad critical of health insurance industry...see here:

http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/health-care/cnn-refusing-to-run-ad-critical-of-insurance-industry/

[WCGreen]

13. And yet we still harbor hope for a liberal agenda....

[Expedite Trucker]

15. Socialism-is that the only word they know anymore?

[chat_noir]

16. BURN YOUR MEDICARE CARD!

You're here to protest "socialized medicine", aren't you?


Message to all those old white folks who show up.

[Enthusiast]

17. Excellent suggestion! nt

[OneGrassRoot]

19. Exactly, and dismantle the military....both socialist programs

Last night my fiance and I were discussing how amazing it is that so many older people -- the ones screaming at town halls but others as well -- don't realize that Medicare is a government-run program. A socialist program.

President Obama and Dems should take a strong stance: If enough of the American people are against anything that smacks of socialism, after becoming educated about what this means (though CAN a certain segment BE educated?), then we should do away with any programs that smack of this nasty socialism stuff.

Make it known that they will get rid of Medicare and dismantle the military. Too much socialism for this country.

It'll save a shitload of money. That's all the American people care about, right?)

:evilgrin:

[deminks]

18. Thanks for posting. I tried to bring this up when I saw the ad during Morning Jerk yesterday

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6222905&mesg_id=6222905

But it sank like a lead balloon.

[Gabi Hayes]

23. you never know what gets attention. meanwhile, there's a thread up now discussing

a poll on WGN TV, in which like 70% believe that the protests are genuine

pretty much tells you all you need to know about how this is going

when you spend a million and a half a DAY to spread disinfo, without much counter, it tends to work

I wonder what the numbers were back during clinton, when they torpedoed that plan.....

[tigereye]

24. ironic that socialistic-style actually provides care for all with better results

and also that they seem to have forgotten how many aspects of social democracy are simply typical of our current system.


God, why are they so dumb? :banghead: