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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 08:30 PM
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Blatant Hypocrisy in the Effort to Destroy Universal Health Care
Edited on Wed Aug-05-09 08:37 PM by Time for change
Anybody who’s been following the health care debate knows that the American people want universal health care much more than do their elected representatives. When 18 years of polling in a democratic country consistently shows that a clear majority of people believe that government should guarantee health care for all, the continued absence of such a system is a good indication that democracy isn’t working very well in that country. The strong association between the receipt of campaign contributions from the health insurance industry (and other special interests) and the obstruction of meaningful health care reform goes a long way towards explaining how our system of government is failing us today.

Just as important are the many millions of dollars that the special interests spend on propaganda to dissuade the American people against the need for meaningful health care reform. Between that propaganda and the echoing of that propaganda by the politicians who are in bed with the special interests, the United States of America has never had universal health care and remains the only industrialized country in the world today without it.

Since there are no good arguments against universal health care, these propagandists rely totally on misinformation, lies, and confused logic to drive home their points. They use a great many of these arguments. In this post I’ll talk about three of the most hypocritical of them:


“Government run health care will result in health care rationing”

First of all, let’s get something straight. None of the health care plans on the table today – not even single payer plans – involve “government run health care”. I’m not saying that wouldn’t be a good idea (It works pretty well for the military), but that’s not what is being proposed today, and any attempt to imply that it is is simply dishonest. To the contrary, what is being proposed by progressives are national health insurance plans – to ensure that the vast majority of Americans have access to decent health care.

All health insurance plans ration health care
So, what does “rationing” mean in the context of health insurance? It simply means an insurance plan that does not pay for every conceivable kind of medical care. That is, the plan makes distinctions between what kinds of health care are worthy of being included in their clients’ policies and what kinds are not.

The most hypocritical aspect of those who disparage government health insurance with the claim that “the government will ration health care” is that ALL HEALTH INSURANCE PLANS RATION THE HEALTH CARE THEY PROVIDE. That is not a criticism of those health insurance plans. But the failure to mention that obvious fact while disparaging government health insurance for doing the same thing is hypocrisy of the highest order.

Any reasonable health insurance plan would exclude at least some treatments that have not been shown to be beneficial, that have been shown to be far less beneficial than other available treatments for the same medical conditions, and treatments that are inordinately expensive compared to the benefits that they bestow. Failure to do that would mean that the plan would have little or no ability to control costs – and as we all know, cost control is imperative in today’s health care environment in which costs are continually spiraling out of control. Therefore, as David Leonhardt notes in “Health Care Rationing Rhetoric Overlooks Reality”, “The choice isn’t between rationing and not rationing. It’s between rationing well and rationing badly.”

Government can ration health care much better than private insurance companies
So the question we should be considering is not whether or not government will ration health care. The question is how it will ration health care compared to how health care is currently rationed by private insurance companies.

Currently, health care is rationed in numerous ways. Most glaring is the fact that 47 million Americans – many of them children – have no health insurance whatsoever. Health care is rationed for those people simply by virtue of the fact that they have little or no money to pay for it.

Then consider the nearly two hundred million Americans who have private health insurance, and ask yourself how their rationing of health care compares to how government would ration it. The most important thing to consider is the non-health care related costs that are involved. Private health insurance companies use the health insurance premiums they receive from their customers to pay for propaganda... I mean marketing, lobbying, bribery... I mean campaign contributions, multi-million dollar giveaways... I mean salaries for their CEOs, and then they have to have enough money left over for profits for their investors. By contrast, a government health insurance plan would not have to pay for marketing, lobbying, or campaign contributions, it would not pay out multi-million dollar salaries to anyone, and it would be non-profit.

What would be the significance of the vast differences between the non- health care related expenses of private insurances companies compared to those of government? That would represent a great amount of money that would be available to the government to pay for actual health care – health care that private insurance companies routinely deny because they have relatively little money left after paying for all those other things mentioned above. In other words, it is a near certainty that government will provide more health care and ration it less than private insurance companies.

But what if government does ration health care more than private insurance companies?
That leaves one last question about health care rationing. What should people do in the highly unlikely event that a government run health insurance plan rations health care more than private health insurance plans do? Or more likely, what if some Americans simply believe that there health care will be rationed more by the government plan than by their private insurance companies? The answer to that is simple. If you believe that your private insurance company plan is better than the government run health insurance plan, then just stay with your private plan.


“Health care isn’t a right”

The assertion that health care isn’t a right is an attack on the very core of the rationale for universal health care. Beyond that, it is an attack against any humanitarian endeavor. Some 20 thousand Americans die every year because they have no health insurance. Therefore, saying that they don’t have a right to health care is tantamount to saying that they don’t have a right to live. I don’t understand how any moral person could say that.

I’m not a follower of religion, but since Christianity is the most common religion in the United States, I think it’s worth quoting a Christian minister on the subject:

Jesus was a healer, and healing was one of the most important aspects of his ministry. The gospels are replete with stories of Jesus healing the sick… He cared deeply for the spiritual welfare of all. He empowered others "to proclaim the kingdom of God and to heal" (Luke 9:2). He never refused to heal someone because they could not pay, and pre-existing conditions were his specialty….

Nevertheless, those who maintain an interest in keeping health care inaccessible to those who lack the money to pay for it – Christian and non-Christian alike – come up with all kinds of arguments to justify their inhumanity. Here’s a good one by Clifford Asness:

Listing rights generally involves enumerating things you may do without interference (the right to free speech) or may not be done to you without your permission. They are protections, not gifts of material goods. Material goods and services must be taken from others, or provided by their labor, so if you believe you have an absolute right to them, and others don't choose to provide it to you, you then have a "right" to steal from them. But what about their far more fundamental right not to be robbed?

In other words, Asness is saying that nobody has a right to material goods – even material goods that are necessary for life itself – because having a right to material goods involves stealing them from someone else. Or in other words, giving people the right to health care would be tantamount to making health care providers, such as insurance companies, give us health care for free.

That argument stands reality on its head. No currently proposed health care plan would require health insurance companies or anybody else to provide people with health care for free. All we are asking the health insurance companies for is to get out of the way and quit trying to buy off our elected representatives to squelch health care reform. The purpose of a democratic form of government is for people to get together to develop means for serving each other’s needs – as a community. Health care is paramount among those needs. To those who don’t like that, I say: You’re free to leave. We don’t need you.


“Government run health insurance will be unfair to insurance companies”

The insurance companies and their right wing supporters have a big conundrum when they try to pass this one off on us. On the one hand, they want to whine about government run health insurance providing “unfair” competition to the insurance companies. But how to do that without making it seems as if government run health insurance is actually better than private health insurance?

The answer is to play the “Big Bad Government” card – make government out to be public enemy # 1. Here’s an example from Asness’s article, to justify his whining about government competition to the private insurance industry:

The government does not co-exist or compete fairly with private enterprise, anywhere. It does not play well with others… It cannot compete fairly while it owns the armed forces and courts. Finally, it cannot be a fair competitor… The first thing the government does is under-price the private system…. The government can always under-price competition, not through the old fashioned way of doing it better, they never do that, but by robbing Peter to pay for Paul…. Second, the government ultimately always cheats when it's involved in "honest" competition…

No, you idiot! The reason why the government can easily under-price private insurance companies is that it doesn’t have to pay for marketing, lobbying, and bribing politicians, while still making a profit and paying out multi-million dollar salaries to CEOs. There is nothing difficult to comprehend about that. If you think that’s cheating, your intellectual capacities are beyond hope.

The whole purpose of government involvement in health care is to ensure that the American people have access to decent health care – NOT to help the private insurance industry to continue to screw the American people. That goal is accomplished in part by ensuring that the insurance they provide is allocated to health care – NOT to all the other things for which health insurance companies use the money that they obtain from their customers.

Government is NOT inherently all those bad things that Asness and his fellow right wingers claim it to be – although it can be. In a democracy, government IS the people, or at least it is elected to represent them. So if the United States government, acting on behalf of the American people, chooses to put the American people above the profits of the health insurance industry and other special interests, it would behoove those special interests to stop whining about it and lying about it.


In conclusion

As a consequence of the need for private insurance companies to make profits, lavish princely sums of money on their CEOs and do all the other things that they do in their quest for profits, they are enticed into developing many creative ways to deny health care to their customers. In the beginning of this post I talked about health care rationing by health insurance companies. They not only ration health care up front, by pre-specifying it in their policies, but they often do so retroactively as well. As most of us know, health insurance companies often cheat their customers in order to increase their profits.

The cause of good health for the American people is not furthered by having health insurance companies act as intermediaries between them and their doctors. Health insurance companies exist to make a profit, not to provide health care. They have repeatedly shown that any time they can sacrifice the latter to increase the former, they are likely to do so. In short, the consumers of private health insurance do not benefit from the many billions of dollars that the health insurance industry spends on marketing, lobbying, campaign contributions, and the rewarding of their investors and CEOs. To the contrary, the American consumers of health care suffer from those many drains on their health care premiums, in the form of denied health care coverage. It is well past time to replace that system with something much better.

It is now up to the American people. In the coming weeks and months we will be continuously bombarded by insurance company misinformation, lies and all kinds of assorted propaganda. The American people will either see through that propaganda and put pressure on their elected representatives to put the interests of their constituents above the interests of the big moneyed special interests…. or they won’t.
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LuckyLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 12:01 AM
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1. This is it exactly. Should be required reading for every idiot American
who is "under the influence" of Republican right-wing idiocy.

"All we are asking the health insurance companies for is to get out of the way and quit trying to buy off our elected representatives to squelch health care reform. The purpose of a democratic form of government is for people to get together to develop means for serving each other’s needs – as a community. Health care is paramount among those needs."
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spag68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 12:50 AM
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2. Health care
You list many reasons that health care in this country should be provided as a right, and they all seem reasonable. The thing is as you list these things they all seem to indicate our moral obligation to have good health care for all. While I agree with that aspect of it, there is also the pragmatic reasons we should have universal health care. these include that it leaves our business at a disadvantage with other countries and the fact that in the end it is cheaper. Abortion is a prime example, sure it is the right thing to do to have the decision make by the women it affects. That said there is also the cost to all of us to pay for a child that has to be raised in a situation where he or she may not be cared for in that particular home. The fact that they scream about taxpayer money to provide it always scalds my butt. What they are really saying is that people with money deserve all the things they can get, but screw those poor people, let them fend for themselves.I can no longer let these things affect my well being, I refuse to get ramped up and hurt myself worrying about it, it sure don't seem to me that these so called Christians even know what they are about these days. I don't want to let my blood pressure get up because then the "gubmint" will come and tell me I'm costing too much and I have to go off somewhere and die for there sake. By the way they coming to take away my clunker and I just can't have that. No wonder the world laughs at us. I know that deal about the earth being 6600 years old is BS, because people could not get this stupid in that short a period of time.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 08:09 AM
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4. So-called Christians
Yeah, that's probably the greatest hypocrisy of all. Atheist liberals/progressives are much more in accordance with the message of Jesus than are right wing "Christians", which seems to me like an oxymoron. Yet it's the right wing "Christians" who think they have the right to tell everyone else what to do, in the name of Jesus.

The hypocrisy of the right wing Christians who think it's fine for nearly 50 million Americans to go without health care is nowhere more apparent than it is on the health care debate.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 05:53 AM
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3. Unfortunately, there are way too many of them
We have to do a good job at countering the RW propaganda.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 10:18 AM
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5. I've concluded that Americans
are having a collective mental breakdown...
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 11:24 AM
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6. Yes, and we've been having it for a very long time.
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Amos Moses Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 12:16 PM
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7. Is universal health care even being considered? Was it ever?
I was under the impression that was off the table from the start. :shrug:

What they're debating now sounds to me like insurance reform. Possibly even government mandated insurance with a fine for those that don't meet requirements for subsidies and can't afford the premiums.

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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 01:55 PM
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10. Yes, it's being considered
Single payer health care is off the table, not universal health care. The plan that Obama, Edwards, and Clinton proposed during the primaries was for a government run insurance plan to be available to anyone who wants it.

That is still on the table, but the insurance companies are fighting hard against it, and it is not at all certain whether we will get it, or even how hard Democrats will fight for it.
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Amos Moses Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 02:35 PM
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11. That's universal insurance. Not universal health care.
The government run health care program I've heard about would only be available to some of the uninsured. Not everybody is going to be able to opt into it.

I'm sure you know a lot more about it than I do so maybe I misunderstood the info I've read about it so far. :shrug:
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 03:58 PM
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13. The terminology is sometimes used inconsistently
I haven't heard the term "universal insurance" used. Essentially, if everyone had insurance, that would be tantamount to universal health care because everyone would have access to health care. Keep in mind that ALL of the proposals on the table are proposals for insurance, rather than health care. Even Kucinich's single payer proposal was a proposal for health insurance, rather than health care.

But then there are a lot of details that make this very complex, and get in the way of simple terminology. As I note in the OP, I believe that that it is essential at a minimum that everyone have the option of a government plan. Otherwise, there would be no universal meaningful alternative to using private insurance to meet our health care needs, and it would just be a boon to the insurance companies, without providing them with meaningful comptetition.

But even if everyone has access to a government run health insurance plan, the next question is how much health CARE does the plan cover. As I said in the OP, a government plan has the potential to cover a great deal more health care than private insurance, because of all the additional costs (and the need to make a profit) associated with private insurance. But the fact that a government run health insurance plan has the potential to meet our health care needs doesn't necessarily mean that it will do so. It depends how generous and well thought out the plan is. Even a single payer plan could be weak if it is not designed with the resources to provide decent health care to all Americans.
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Amos Moses Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 04:24 PM
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16. Thanks for the info.
I'm still skeptical but thanks for taking the time to explain that.
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 12:51 PM
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thanks for the links - nice to see a reasoned argument
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 12:51 PM
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8. What "UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE"? when was Universal Health care proposed by Obama or congress?
did I miss it , because that is not ..i repeat not what this plan is..not even one iota close to it!

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Amos Moses Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 01:49 PM
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9. Nobody wants to be honest about what this is.
This is about enabling insurance and pharmaceutical companies to continue what they've been doing with as few changes as possible. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that this could be even worse for the working class than the horrible system we have now. This is *not* about health care. If it was about health care, we'd be talking about single payer.

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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 04:02 PM
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14. What Obama proposed during the primaries was very close to universal health care
His proposal would have made a reasonably generous government run health insurance plan available to all Americans who chose to use their government subsidies (in the form of tax credits) to purchase the government plan. But since being elected he has been less clear on where he intends to draw the line in the sand, and most of us are having a hard time trying to figure out if he will be willing to accept a lot less than what he promised during the primaries.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 05:34 PM
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18. NO IT WAS NOT..NOT EVEN CLOSE.. what you are saying is not the truth!
furthermore..Obama is selling us out with the Pharm comapnies..i just saw two commericals last night on the Philly stations ..they were opposite of Harry and Louise..they were a man and woman pushing Obamacare..

and who were they paid for ..i watched at the end thinking they were probably paid for by Move on or Acorn..or some dem group..no siree..they were paid for by two giant Pharm groups!

gee could this be why??????????

the White House's efforts to protect drug manufacturers from Congress http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/06/health/policy/06insur...

White House Affirms Deal on Drug Cost Sign in to Recommend
DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK
Published: August 5, 2009

WASHINGTON — Pressed by industry lobbyists, White House officials on Wednesday assured drug makers that the administration stood by a behind-the-scenes deal to block any Congressional effort to extract cost savings from them beyond an agreed-upon $80 billion.

In response, the industry successfully demanded that the White House explicitly acknowledge for the first time that it had committed to protect drug makers from bearing further costs in the overhaul. The Obama administration had never spelled out the details of the agreement.

“We were assured: ‘We need somebody to come in first. If you come in first, you will have a rock-solid deal,’ ” Billy Tauzin, the former Republican House member from Louisiana who now leads the pharmaceutical trade group, said Wednesday. “Who is ever going to go into a deal with the White House again if they don’t keep their word? You are just going to duke it out instead.”

A deputy White House chief of staff, Jim Messina, confirmed Mr. Tauzin’s account of the deal in an e-mail message on Wednesday night.

“The president encouraged this approach,” Mr. Messina wrote. “He wanted to bring all the parties to the table to discuss health insurance reform.”

The new attention to the agreement could prove embarrassing to the White House, which has sought to keep lobbyists at a distance, including by refusing to hire them to work in the administration.

more...
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 08:09 AM
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21. My response referred to what Obama proposed during the primaries
And you refute it with something that happened very recently.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 04:07 PM
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23. +1
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 03:27 PM
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12. just tweak the Medicare system, it is already in place

Lower the age from 65 to whatever, so that everyone is covered, even pre-natal. If people don't want it, then don't use it.

But how many seniors who start receiving Medicare and Social Security, say they don't want them because they are government programs?

This is a battle that the lobbyists and insurance companies want to win in order to keep getting their excessive profits and salaries.

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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 07:31 PM
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19. That is something similar to what the top Democratic presidential candidates were proposing in 08
Medicare for everyone. Medicare became so popular that the Republicans are scared to death that if something similar is provided for everyone, their Party will disappear. And they're probably right.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 04:14 PM
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15. Well said, Time for change, in my book your entire O.P. deserves kicking and recommending but I
would have kicked and recommended just for this paragraph alone.

"No, you idiot! The reason why the government can easily under-price private insurance companies is that it doesn’t have to pay for marketing, lobbying, and bribing politicians, while still making a profit and paying out multi-million dollar salaries to CEOs. There is nothing difficult to comprehend about that. If you think that’s cheating, your intellectual capacities are beyond hope."


Thanks for the thread.:thumbsup:
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 05:34 PM
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17. Thank you Uncle Joe
I guess that was my nastiest comment in the OP. But the person I aimed it at highly deserved it. ;)
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 07:15 AM
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20. That's a good one! n/t
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 04:07 PM
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22. If only we were fighting for universal coverage, now we are in a bind with a bill that compromises
with wackos and people who place greed over human life.

Time for Obama to endorse single payer HR676!

http://www.pnhp.org

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