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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 05:08 AM
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Mass. bashers take note: Health reform is working
PUNDITS and politicians who oppose universal healthcare for the nation have a new straw man to kick around - the Massachusetts reform plan that covers more than 97 percent of the state’s residents. In the myth that these critics have manufactured, this state’s plan is bleeding taxpayers dry, creating nothing less than a medical Big Dig.

The facts - according to the Massachusetts Taxpayers Foundation - are quite different. Its report this spring put the cost to the state taxpayer at about $88 million a year, less than four-tenths of 1 percent of the state budget of $27 billion. Yes, the state recently had to cut benefits for legal immigrants, and safety-net hospital Boston Medical Center has sued for higher state aid. But that is because the recession has cut state revenues, not because universal healthcare is a boondoggle. The main reason costs to the state have been well within expectations? More than half of all the previously uninsured got coverage by buying into their employers’ plans, not by opting for one of the state-subsidized plans.

This should be exciting news for those fiscal conservatives, including both Republicans and “blue dog’’ Democrats, who claim to support the goal of universal coverage while despairing over its budget impact. But that’s not what you hear from the Massachusetts bashers. Trying to scare off the nation from helping the uninsured get coverage, Fox News host Bill O’Reilly said recently, “You don’t have to look any further than the universal healthcare mess in Massachusetts to see disaster ahead.’’ New York Times columnist Ross Douthat on Monday accused President Obama of “pushing a health plan that looks a lot like the system currently hemorrhaging money in Massachusetts.’’
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There is one other statistic about the Massachusetts plan that politicians, in particular, should appreciate. According to Robert Blendon of the Harvard School of Public Health and the Kennedy School of Government, the law’s approval rating in June 2008 was 69 percent. That is a figure officeholders can only dream about.


http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/editorials/articles/2009/08/05/mass_bashers_take_note_health_reform_is_working/
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 05:43 AM
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1. Yes. The insurance companies just love it.
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 06:32 AM
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2. K&R absolutely. What a financial windfall for the private health insurance extortion
Edited on Wed Aug-05-09 06:33 AM by nightrain
corporations who do business in MA! And what a financial mess for citizens. Remember the days when health insurance was affordable. These policies' premiums are providing the exorbitant compensation of their greedy executives.

In contrast, with single payer, there are no gross inequities, or huge compensations which take money FROM services.

For my money, MA is no model for the country as a whole. But it appears Congress and Obama are moving in that direction! Empty your wallets and accounts to the corporations....
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 06:36 AM
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3. It's a wonderful plan.
That's why a woman I know whose husband sells health insurance there can't afford it. She worries about paying the fine.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 07:13 AM
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4. Yes, if by "working"...
...you mean requiring someone I know to pay $1,700/month for legally-mandated insurance for his family.

:crazy:

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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 08:09 AM
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5. Yep. Works just fine for the 85% of people who don't get seriously sick
Totally sucks for lower income sick people, though. But who cares, as long as the smug and healthy are satisfied.

What kind of a sociopathic shitstain do you have to be to not care about them as long as you're OK?
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 09:09 AM
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6. I'm as low income as it gets and I'm 100% covered.
It's covered my cancer related costs (which would be well over 60K by now), mental, vision, dental. No copays. Any meds are $2 or $4.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 09:10 AM
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7. Don't give Mittens credit!!!!!!!
The real problem, from what I've read, is they didni't figuer on an economic downturn, and the revenue isn't there to pay for it.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 03:23 AM
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9. From Dr Rachel Nardin's testimony
I will close with the story of one Massachusetts patient who has suffered as a result of the reform. Kathryn is a young diabetic who needs twelve prescriptions a month to stay healthy. She told us “Under Free Care I saw doctors at Mass. General and Brigham and Women's hospital. I had no co-payments for medications, appointments, lab tests or hospitalization. Under my Commonwealth Care Plan my routine monthly medical costs include the $110 premium, $200 for medications, a $10 appointment with my primary care doctor, and $20 for a specialist appointment. That's $340 per month, provided I stay well.” Now that she's “insured,” Kathryn's medical expenses consume almost one-quarter of her take home pay, and she wonders whether she'll be able to continue taking her life saving medications.

Hey, as long as you're OK, fuck Rachel. And fuck the people who are not poor enough for a subsidy but can't afford the premiums.

http://www.pnhp.org/news/2007/september/health_reform_failur.php

And 244,000 of Massachusetts uninsured get zero assistance - just a stiff fine if they don’t buy coverage. A couple in their late 50s faces a minimum premium of $8,638 annually, for a policy with no drug coverage at all and a $2,000 deductible per person before insurance even kicks in. Such skimpy yet costly coverage is, in many cases, worse than no coverage at all. Illness will still bring crippling medical bills - but the $8,638 annual premium will empty their bank accounts even before the bills start arriving. Little wonder that barely 2 percent of those required to buy such coverage have thus far signed up.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 10:19 AM
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10. "Hey, as long as you're OK, fuck Rachel."
Nowhere have I said that others going through this deserve it, but what the fuck would you have me do? Lie about my insurance? Give it up and let the cancer take over?

Grow the fuck up.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 08:25 PM
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17. What ;I would have you do is to advocate for a system that includes EVERYONE, no exceptions
We have 20,000 deaths and 350,000 medical bankruptcies a year. MA dealt with this by covering a few more people, slashing public hospital dollars dramatically, and boosting the profits of insurance companies.

20,000 and even 350,000 are very tiny percentages of a 350 million population. Just because you are one of the lucky 99.9% to whom these things are never going to happen doesn't mean it's OK to defend a system that kills and bankrupts anybody. Those numbers are ZERO in every other developed country, and they spend no more than 2/3 of what we do to achieve that outcome.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 09:11 AM
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8. Recommend
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 10:40 AM
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11. K&R and thank you. nt
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Umbral Donating Member (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 11:21 AM
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12. Great, come 2012 Romney will be even more insufferable than he would be otherwise. nt
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 11:24 AM
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13. LOL..is that possible?
:)
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 11:28 AM
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14. Great. This will give the "Democrats" even more rationalization....
....for imposing a "Republican" Health Insurance Scam on the entire fucking nation.

I support the Democratic Plan....HR 676.


"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone


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PHIMG Donating Member (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 11:41 AM
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15. Great for insurers; bad for the insured; bad for the TAX PAYER
But yes, 800,000 or more people have moved from being UNINSURED to UNDERINSURED but whatever they won't know that until they get cancer or have a heart attack.

Yes ROMNEYCARE really has worked out to be a beautiful model for how sold out corporate politicians can sell fake reform to the nation.

It's a joke.

Single Payer is the solution.
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PHIMG Donating Member (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 11:54 AM
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16. Massachusetts' Plan: A Failed Model for Health Care Reform
Funny if you ask doctors, instead of sold out Newspaper "journalists" eager to service the status quo you get a different picture of the Masscare experiment

Massachusetts' Plan: A Failed Model for Health Care Reform
http://www.pnhp.org/mass_report/mass_report_Final.pdf
Executive Summary

The Massachusetts Health Reform Law of 2006 expanded Medicaid coverage for the poor and
made available subsidized, Medicaid-like coverage for additional poor and near-poor residents of
the state. It also mandated that middle-income uninsured people either purchase private health
insurance or pay a substantial fine ($1,068 in 2009). Smaller fines (up to $295 per employee)
were also levied on employers who fail to offer insurance benefits.

The reform law has not achieved universal health insurance coverage, although half or more of
the previously uninsured now have some type of insurance policy.

The reform has been more expensive than expected, costing $1.1 billion in fiscal 2008 and $1.3
billion in fiscal 2009. In the face of a state budget crisis in fall 2008, Gov. Deval Patrick
announced that he will keep the reform afloat by draining money from safety-net providers such
as public hospitals and community clinics.

While the number of people lacking health insurance in Massachusetts has been reduced, several
recent surveys demonstrate that substantial problems in access to care remain in the state. While
the new health insurance improved access to care for some residents, many low-income patients
who previously received completely free care under the state’s old free care program now face
co-payments, premiums and deductibles that stop them from getting needed care.


In addition, cuts to safety-net providers have reduced health resources available to the state’s
remaining uninsured, as well as to others who rely on safety-net providers for services in short
supply in the private sector. These safety-net services include emergency room care, chronic
mental health care, and primary care. The net effect of this expensive reform on access to care is
at best modest, and for some patients, negative.

By mandating that uninsured residents purchase private health insurance, the law reinforced the
economic and political power of health insurance firms.
Thus, the reform augments the already
high administrative costs of health care.
Moreover, the agency that administers the new law (the
“Connector”) adds an extra 4 to 5 percentage points to the already high overhead of private
health insurance policies.


The reform failed to reduce overreliance on expensive, high-technology services. Indeed, some
of its provisions such as changes in Medicaid rates and cuts to safety-net providers (who do more
primary care) have further tilted health spending toward expensive, high-technology care.

A single-payer system of non-profit national health insurance could save about $8-$10 billion
annually in the state through reduced administrative costs. This money could be used to cover
all of the state’s uninsured residents and to improve coverage for those who now have insurance,
without any increase in total health care costs.

The Massachusetts reform law is not providing universal access to care, even in a state with
highly favorable circumstances, including previously high levels of spending on health care for
the poor, high personal incomes, and low rates of uninsurance. It is not a model for the nation.



TELL ME -- WHO IS MASSCARE WORKING FOR? EXACTLY WHO IT WAS MEANT TO WORK FOR -- BIG INSURERS, DRUG COMPANIES, FOR PROFIT HOSPITALS.

THE PEOPLE, PATIENTS and TAXPAYERS? NOT SO MUCH!

JUST SAY NO TO CORPORATIST HEALTHCARE REFORM. SAY YES TO SINGLE PAYER.


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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 11:47 PM
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18. Even Mittens said their ONE mistake was including corporate, for-profit ins. cos.
Had they become self-insuring instead, it would be working for everyone.
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