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this from the closed-caption text of their interview.
i think you can figure out who is who.
>>> We were talking about with
senator roberts off the top
about this alleged birth
certificate that's supposedly
showing president obama was born
in kenya.
Joining us now from tel aviv is
orly, the attorney for the birth
movement.
I want to start with something
else and that's, first of all,
the birth announcement in
hawaii, there were two of them
august 13th in the honolulu
advertiser, august 14th in "the
hawaii star bulletin" announcing
the bar of barack obama.
How could these birth
announcements have been
fabricated 48 years before
president obama possibly took
office?
>> Absolutely.
>> How would they have the
foresight to know that?
>> Okay.
I just need to know how much
time do I have?
I had bad experience on cnn
where she --
>> If you answer my question
we'll give you plenty of time.
Answer the question about --
>> Okay.
Okay.
In hawaii the way announcements
were made in the newspapers,
they have two types of birth
certificates.
That's why we're demanding to
see the original.
One was a proper birth
certificate from the hospital.
Another was a birth certificate
issued based on a statement of
one relative only.
It could be grandmother or a
mother.
>> That's fine, but orly, you
haven't answered my question.
>> I am answering.
>> What would be the motivation
for barack obama's family --
>> If you're talking -- okay.
You need to show some decency
and integrity as a journalist.
You need to give me an
opportunity --
>> Okay, orly.
You can talk about integrity and
discipline.
Go for it.
Go for it.
>> Okay.
So there were two types of birth
certificates.
One proper birth certificate
from hospital.
Another that came from a parent.
As a matter of fact, a parent
could have just filled out a
form and lied.
If obama was born in kenyaened a
-- and the mother wanted to lie
and didn't want to go through
immigration, she would fill out
the form saying my son was born
in honolulu, mail it or bring it
to the health department.
>> So I guess -- so we're clear,
your allegations -- orly, orly,
your allegation is barack
obama's family was motivated to
lie to hawaii -- joshly, you
have to give me a second.
>> No, I don'T.
Let me explain.
Let people know the truth.
They're sick of the lies coming
from the mainstream media.
85% of american citizens are
saying obama was not -- he needs
to provide original birth
certificate.
The only one that are on the
fringe are obama's brown shirts
in the media that insult
people --
>> Name one.
Obama's brown shirts.
You're referring -- you're
making a reference orly to nazi
germany and to a lot of us who
lost relatives in the holocaust
is deeply offensive.
>> You and tamron hall are
behaving in an offense movement.
You said this is a crazy
movement.
You would not listen to the word
of truth.
When a birth certificate was
issued, they would go to news
agency in hawaii.
Hawaii news agency.
The proper ones, plus ones that
were obtained based on a
statement of one relative that
could have been lying because
she didn't want to pay for the
immigration.
All of them went to hawaiian
news agency which sends it to
two newspapers, and that's how
those announcements were
obtained.
>> Orly, let me ask you
quickly --
>> Therefore --
>> Orly, we have been fair and
we have given you time.
I want to ask you here, hang on,
hang on, let's not go there.
Ann coulter, popular with the
right, says that this is
foolishness and called this
movement --
>> Hang on.
>> Come on.
And has called this foolishness
and has referred to the birthers
as cranks.
What's your response to those
who see you now, you're
emotional, and I understand you
believe this, but those who say
you're crazy, that this is
cranks and it's scary.
What's your response?
>> Okay, okay, okay.
Okay.
All I hear from mainstream media
are dumb insults.
>> Ann coulter is not
mainstream.
She hates the mainstream.
>> You and --
>> Karl rove, ann coulter.
>> Let me answer.
Let me answer.
If you don't let people speak
out the truth --
>> You got three seconds or
we're going to have to end this.
>> And people like you --
>> Go ahead.
>> Okay.
Obama's birth certificate does
not show the name of the
hospital --
>> Ann coulter says you're a
crank.
Karl rove says it's a forgery.
Answer that or we're done.
>> I am telling you -- listen,
you will be done.
>> Ann coulter says you're a
crank.
>> I don't care about ann
coulter.
What is important is obama has
numerous social security numbers
and one of them is a social
security --
>> Orly maybe we can get to your
motivation with another
question.
Let me try one other.
Is it true that while nbc
offered you a car to take you to
the studio there that you
refused because it was a
muslim-sounding name with the
driver?
>> No, it's not true.
And let me go back to obama,
which is very important.
Obama is completely illegitimate
for U.S. President for two
reasons.
Not only because he did not
provide the place of his birth,
but also because both parents
have to be U.S. Citizens.
His father was never a U.S.
Citizen.
He was in the united states on a
student visa.
>> Okay.
Orly, you repeated yourself and
you're starting to repeat
yourself, and we can't let you
go on if you're not --
>> You're repeating yourself.
>> Listen, with great patience
we have offered you this
opportunity.
Thank you, orly.
>> Never showed any patience.
>> You don't understand how much
patience we have offered you.
Orly, thank you very much.
>> No.
>> David, moving on from this,
okay, let's regroup here.
>> Wow.
>> Because people are wondering
why we are covering this.
We're getting twitters saying
we're obsessed with this.
We're not.
This is a movement.
You see the polls out there.
When this portion of the
american population had been led
to believe by orly and others
that the president is a fake, is
a fraud, I think it is critical,
especially when you say, and
many people believe, david, this
is fueled by racism or whatever
the case may be.
But for those people who are a
part of the birth movement who
choose to follow orly, just tivo
or rewind what you just saw, and
i think that answers a lot.
>> Tamron, the other point is,
look, there's a journalististic
responsibility.
We have to look and see whether
this is true.
We did this.
Obama was born in hawaii.
We'll be right back.
You're watching msnbc.
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