Idiot "birthers" claim to have Obama's Kenyan "birth certificate".

[PassingFair]

I'm not gonna link to the World NUT Daily article.

[sixmile]

1. Well that settles it then

Oily Taint for head of the FBI!

[Mrs. Overall]

2. Already a DU thread on this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6202074

[PassingFair]

4. I'm not linking to Free Repuglick or WND....

I hope someone is pulling a "Rather" on
these looney tunes.

[zonkers]

61. Agree. I can only think of only one reason why folks would keep linking to those sites.

and it is a very unsettling thought for want of a better word.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

3. If you go back to the link for the photo, enlarge it really big and you'll see it's a fake

It's listed as the Republic of Kenya. Kenya was not made into a Republic until 1964. Obama was born in 1961.

[PassingFair]

5. But it's dated 1964.

:crazy:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

8. lol! Ooops! Forgot to mention that!!!

:rofl:

[sixmile]

6. Rats! Foiled again

And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

9. Just like my 3 kitties and 2 kiddies, I have a curious streak....

:rofl:

[Beaverhausen]

10. note the date at the top is 1961, but it's certified in 1964

they can't even get the fake right

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

13. Nope, they can't! laughing here over it again!

[Gormy Cuss]

52. On a real certified copy that wouldn't be inconsistent.

Certified copies are dated when issued. I have two certified copies of my birth certificate, one from 16 years after I was born, one from 30 years later. I can tell when they were issued by the date on the bottom. Both have the exact same info about my birth.

Not that I'm suggesting this birther version is a real certified copy of anything, mind you.

[Sanity Claws]

7. Republic of Kenya formed 1963

More than two years after Obama's birth.

This piece of paper is dated in 1964, three years after Obama's birth. It simply doesn't make sense.
Why do the birther's rely on this document, which is a registration of birth, not certification of birth?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

12. Actually, it didn't officially become a Republic until Dec.1964. It separated from the UK in 1963.

[WeDidIt]

15. Yup until late 1964, it was the Dominion of Kenya. n/t

[Beaverhausen]

20. So, wouldn't this make him a UK citizen?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

21. I would think that once Kenya became a Republic, all of its citizens became citizens of Kenya but

that is of course pretending that we don't notice that this document is a flat out fake.

:rofl:

[WeDidIt]

11. "Signature of Registar" has the name typed in.

Not to mention the typed letters are obviously shopped.

[Vinca]

14. Let's, for a moment, humor the wingnuts and assume this is the birth certificate.

That being the case, where's Obama's Kenyan passport? You can't hide babies in your purse and just bring them into the U.S. He would have required documentation to get into the United States. Where is it?

[Mrs. Overall]

16. "In that case DU is probably chamfing at the bit to see the original documentation and make asses

of the Birthers once and for all."

2,018 posted on Sunday, August 02, 2009 10:56:07 AM by Mr Ramsbotham ("Baldrick, to you the Renaissance was just something that happened to other people, wasn't it?") From Freeperville.


CHAMFING at the bit??

(I posted this in the other thread, too)

[PassingFair]

18. Chamf, chamf....

[Mrs. Overall]

19. Perfect!

[Botany]

17. I went and looked it up on World nut daily

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764

They can't even get their phony documents down right.


BTW I have a friend in Nigeria who has title to $2,400,000 worth of Government Gold notes but he needs
$3,500 in cash to help w/ the paperwork and will split the gold with anybody who can send the money now.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

22. .....

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[polmaven]

85. She is requesting to depose Hillary Clinton!!!

What in HELL does she think Hillary can bring to this crackpot suit? Does she really belive that Hillary has evidence of this being true and didn't go public with it at the time? Orly gets nuttier every day! What a piece of work!

[AnnInLa]

23. AT Freeperville

THE best comment in the almost 2,000 comment thread??

To: Danae

The number of Leftists involved in this giant coverup is staggering!!!

[blondeatlast]

32. Danae, the fact is--I concocted the entire thing myself. Yes, I am pretty proud of myself.

It has worked wonders at shaming the wingholeassnuttery of your beloved, but oh, so failed, Republican Party.

[theothersnippywshrub]

77. "Wingholeassnuttery" is an outstanding word. And so appropriate.

It was however flagged by the DU spellchecker, which suggested it be replaced with hallucinatory. Which I also found appropriate.

[blondeatlast]

78. OHWOW! Can I be one of the "staggering number of Leftists," too?! Can, huh, can I? Are ypou one too?

:bounce:

[WeDidIt]

24. Shows his father as being born in "Kanyadhinng village"

HE was born in Kanyadhiang village.

Shows "Kanyadhinng village" to be in "Nyanna Province", yet Kanadhiang village is in Nyanza Province.

Are typos common in these things?

Shows his father as being 26 at the time of Obama's birth, yet BArack Hussein Obama Sr. was born in 1936, so he could have been no older than 25 at the time of Obama's birth.

Lot's of problems with this document.

[WeDidIt]

25. Easter Egg Joke embedded in this by the jokester who forged it

Certificate number 47,044

Barack Hussein Obama was 47 years old when he was sworn in as the 44th president of the United States

[Maru Kitteh]

28. That's a beautiful catch! n/t

[WeDidIt]

30. There's lot's of shit in it that shows it is bogus

Wrong age for Obama's father.

Misspelled village name.

DAtes are all screwed up.

Then there's the fact that all Oily Titz has is this photograph, no document.

[LynneSin]

55. but it wasn't 47044, it was 47O44

they used an O instead of a 0

[Iterate]

57. Book 44B

Page 5733 still has me stumped though. Hebrew year? That would be 1972-73?

[Liberal In Texas]

62. You're the first one to catch this? Good job.

If nothing else (and as pointed out here, there are many other things) the 47O44 forger's joke is proof positive it's a scam.

[blondeatlast]

80. Ah--got it now, thanks. nt

[MADem]

68. Nyanna Na Na, Nyanna Na Na Hey Hey Hey Goodbye Province, to be specific!!

:rofl:

[MADem]

26. I like this one MUCH better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[PassingFair]

29. LOL!!

Sent to my husband to use on his Freeper friends...

[NoPasaran]

65. Shouldn't that be "Live MUSLIN" Kenyan Birth?

[Peace Patriot]

27. Someone explain this to me, cuz I don't get it.

Are the nuts denying that Obama was born of a US citizen mother? It doesn't matter where you are born, if one of your parents is a US citizen, you are a US citizen. There must be thousands of births recorded among foreign service personnel--ambassadors, envoys, bureaucrats--military personnel, foreign correspondents, employees of US-based businesses and ordinary US citizen travelers--on foreign soil, including the children of US citizens married to, or cohabiting with, people from other countries. This does not strip the children of US citizenship, for godssakes. It's not where you are born that matters, but of whom?

So, what is the problem--IF Obama was born in Kenya (although Hawaii says he was born in Hawaii)? Please--someone? His mother was a US citizen, born and raised here. End. Of. Story. --it seems to me.

Something else I don't understand: How can this crazy rightwing nut story be getting such currency in the media and at DU?

[Lithos]

31. Short answer

They are hung up on the "natural birth" thing. While in truth it means exactly what you described - either being born in the US proper or to a US citizen (either parent), the freepers really are using this as code word that Obama looks different and has a "foreign" name - something their xenophobic natures can't stand or accept.

[kentuck]

39. Why did it take until February, 1964 to get a copy??

Isn't that about the time that his father deserted them and moved back to Kenya? Maybe he wanted Barack to have dual citizenship? Maybe he thought he could get Barack to come to Kenya with him? We don't know. But as some folks have said, it really doesn't matter. His mother was American. So Barack was an American citizen automatically.

[WeDidIt]

40. Divorce was in JAnuary of 1964 n/t

[MADem]

69. Well, last year, no one had any halfway decent "Dominion" CLBs that they could use to make a forgery

but they could come up with a national one without too much trouble!

That father ran like hell from BHO's mother, and took up with some lady named Ruth (who followed him home to Kenya) the minute he hit the east coast. I'm guessing the last thing on his mind was that kid. His loss.

[Lithos]

75. Can't rule out that it is photoshopped

Most likely given the presentation.

[Botany]

33. So the document proves he is a U.S. Citizen and by Freeper logic

That is what "they" want you to think because if he really is an American then pretending to be
Kenyan just so he can talk like an American to the terrorists of ACORN.

[WeDidIt]

34. This isn't about proving anything

It's about denying a black man is president of the United States.

[End Of The Road]

35. To be a U.S. president

you must be born on U.S. soil (I think U.S. territories & U.S. military bases also count)

[WeDidIt]

37. Please point to the place in the constitution or the law that says that

I'll save you time.

You can't.

[End Of The Road]

41. There's a good discussion here

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

[WeDidIt]

42. Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is

Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)

[End Of The Road]

47. for at least five years after the age of 16

at least the law said that in 1961. O's mother was 18 when he was born.

But even IF it's a legal gray area, it's not something to argue about in this case. Obama was born in Hawaii, and the freepers' forgery is just that.

[Peace Patriot]

58. So, the teenage daughter of a US ambassador, who gets pregnant by a foreign father,

is removed, during the birth, from US soil (the embassy) to a hospital on foreign soil (in the host country,) where the baby is born, loses the baby's US citizenship? That is ridiculous. A natural born US citizen (the mother) does not jeopardize her own citizenship by being a teenager in a foreign land, and any child born of her--wherever it is born--is a US citizen. This is not a "gray area" as I understand US citizenship law. That's why I don't understand this controversy--nor its prominence--except as rightwing nuttery.

The "gray area" is involved when the US citizen (having a baby) was not a US citizen to begin with--that is, a naturalized citizen. Say, a Mexican woman who became a US citizen, travels back to her original home village to given birth to her child near its grandparents. That child's US citizenship is in jeopardy, and must be acquired by tenure in this country of five years after age 18. The five-year rule does not apply to natural-born US citizens (Obama's mother) or their children born on foreign soil. (

Please correct me if I'm wrong. This is my understanding of the law. There is no "gray area" re Obama (even IF Hawaii's birth records did not exist and this Kenya document was the only birth record). Obama's mother's birth certificate determines his citizenship--nothing else. No act of his other than disavowal of his US citizenship (deliberate expatriation) could take his citizenship away.

[PassingFair]

59. They're claiming the law was different in the 60's...

:crazy:

[MADem]

70. They can claim what ever they want. Congress makes law, and Congress has made law

saying both BHO and McCain are US citizens. And the wingnuts voted in support of said law.

The whole discussion is moot. It IS, however, funny as hell.

[PassingFair]

86. Or "mute" as they like to say....

;)

[MADem]

87. Ha ha ha! nt

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

43. Nope. A natural born citizen is someone who is born with at least one parent who is a citizen.

Although not defined in the Constitution, that phrase was borrowed by our founders through British common law and defined in British common law.

[PassingFair]

46. They claim that Ms. Durham was under age 21, so she wasn't a "full citizen"

or some such nonsense.

:crazy:

[kevinbgoode]

53. hahaha...they need to make their minds up

after all, you aren't "born" when you reach 21. Besides, the Freeps are supposed to be all about claiming that a fetus is a citizen as soon as an egg is fertilized. They just can't figure out when someone is a citizen, can they?

[crispini]

71. Currency at DU

Because it's funny.

Currency in the media -- who knows, probably much the same reason, or they're just lazy.

[Kurovski]

36. My mistake.

I'll just STFU now. :rofl:

[Lex]

38. Oh how I wish Lou Dobbs would wave that around and say it proves him right

on his show next week.

That would be sweeeeeeeeeeet.

[WeDidIt]

44. The font is part of the Schmutz font family

Schmutz did not exist until 1995.

[WeDidIt]

45. There are three separate resolutions within the photograph

One resolution for the fabric background.

Another higher resolution for the paper.

A third, and the lowest, resolution for all text.

[Retrograde]

48. Hah! That's not the original

Sez "certified copy or registration" right on the top - where's the REAL real one? (Hey, if this logic is good enough to dismiss the Hawaiian birth certificate shouldn't it apply to this one as well?)

[mainer]

49. Why would mother request this copy if the fake HI one was already planted?

The birth announcements were already in the HI papers in 1961. And presumably, the "fake" Hawaii certificate stating he had been born in Honolulu had already been applied for and was in the Hawaii registrar's system in 1961. So why, in 1964, would anyone -- including the mother Stanley Dunham -- suddenly request a copy of Barack's Kenyan birth certificate? The logic posed by the Freepers is that she needed it for her divorce proceedings. But she'd already planted the hoax that he was born in Hawaii, so why contact the Kenyan authorities at all?

There's no logic in this. Not that there ever was.

[newfie11]

50. Brought to you by the spammers

The ones that want to send you a huge check but first you need to send them money. The have perfected such look alikes as money orders , checks, and now birth certificates.

[dorkulon]

51. I'm sorry--is that piece of paper supposed to be over 40 yrs old?

Man, that Kenyan paper really holds up!

[LynneSin]

54. It's a goof - look at the number on it 47O44

Barack was 47 years old when he became the 44th president. And that's not a "0" in that number, it's an "O". The letter "O" is much wider than a "0" - take a look at the district of MOMBASA - same wide "O" being used.

[merh]

67. damn, I need to find a numerologist

numbers REALLY DO matter - look how they predicted his age when Obama became the 44th president.

:wow:













:hide:




:eyes: :crazy: :silly:





I hope some idiot paid big bucks for this. :rofl:

[Pool Hall Ace]

56. It looks like the Deputy Registrar is Odin

I don't know much about Norse gods, but why would Odin be the Deputy Registrar of Kenyatown, Kenya?

[MADem]

72. Don't we have a clever wag named Odin here at DU? nt

[Pool Hall Ace]

83. We do, but I guess it is actually supposed to say Oduya. On another thread,

Joanne98 pointed out that Johnny Oduya is a hockey player for the New Jersey Devils. I didn't have my specs on the first time I looked at this, but there is a column that is supposed to have the Deputy Registrar's signature with the entry Joshua Simon Oduya.

[ohheckyeah]

60. Someone noticed the registrar is

E.F. Lavender so I went hunting and Earth Friendly Lavender is a detergent.

[Lex]

63. The lib'ruls have PWND them in an epic way.

LOL.

[ohheckyeah]

64. this is just too much fun. n/t

[MADem]

74. Good thing his name wasn't BARF!!!

Then we'd wonder if it was an IRANIAN plot!!!



The word "barf" means "snow" in Persian, and yes, that's REAL detergent!!!

[Quantess]

82. Funny! I knew a girl who had this on her t-shirt:

There's your "Magic Brightness!"

[undeterred]

66. Looks like Obama even signed it at the bottom.

He was the smartest baby EVAH.

[nolabear]

73. That means Tuesday is Obama's Birther Day!!

Happy Birther Day to you,
Happy Birther Day to Youuuuuuuuu!!

:party:

I wonder what kind of party the birthers are planning??

[Mrs. Overall]

76. The Fweepers will help Drudge and Mainstream Media with da facts:

To: 9YearLurker

It helps DRUDGE and the MSM that they can first find out the
facts, and then the Truth -- fully sorted out -- at FReeRepublic.

2,923 posted on Sunday, August 02, 2009 2:09:42 PM by Diogenesis ("Those who go below the surface do so at their peril" - Oscar Wilde)

[blondeatlast]

79. Edit: answered upthread by "We Did It." Thanks. nt

[Omaha Steve]

81. Is this done by the same guy that did....

W's military paper for CBS? OK. The CBS papers were real.

[Prophet 451]

84. But it doesn't say "birth certificate"

Isn't that the rationale they use for refusing to accept the COLB?

Ah crap, why am I trying to reason with crazies?