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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:23 PM
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Subpoena just issued to Gonzales
House Panel Subpoenas Gonzales Documents

Apr 10 01:15 PM US/Eastern
By LAURIE KELLMAN
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - The House Judiciary Committee subpoenaed new documents Tuesday from Attorney General Alberto Gonzales as part of its investigation into the firings of federal prosecutors, with panel chairman saying he had run out of patience.

"We have been patient in allowing the department to work through its concerns regarding the sensitive nature of some of these materials," Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., wrote Gonzales in a letter accompanying the subpoena. "Unfortunately, the department has not indicated any meaningful willingness to find a way to meet our legitimate needs.,"

"At this point further delay in receiving these materials will not serve any constructive purpose," Conyers said.

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But one Justice official, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation, said the House request included the full text of all documents that had been partially or completely blacked out in the Justice Department's initial release of more than 3,000 pages last month. The Justice official said some U.S. attorney evaluations were included in these documents.

The official said the request also included an unredacted list ranking the performance and standing of each of the 93 U.S. attorneys. Government officials have previously confirmed that Chicago-based prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald, one of the Justice Department's premier U.S. attorneys, was ranked as "not distinguished."



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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:25 PM
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1. How many US Attorneys does it take to unscrew A. Gonzales?
WHOOT! K & R
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:26 PM
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2. Those are the 5 most beautiful words I'm likely to hear all day! Recommended!
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:28 PM
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3. So, does anyone know where in DC is the OK Corral?
I got the feeling there's a showdown coming.

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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:28 PM
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4. I've been excitedly awaiting this news
Edited on Tue Apr-10-07 12:28 PM by Lone_Star_Dem
The day just got a little sunnier and the birds singing a little more joyous. :)
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OrangeCountyDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:28 PM
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5. HIGHLY Misleading Post Headline
It implies that Gonzales was subpoenaed, but only the documents were.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:31 PM
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6. Yep. nt
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:58 PM
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19. Jeez. It doesn't read Gonzeles subpoenaed.
Gonzales needs to be subpoenaed for his documents. (And he is appearing in person on the 17th).

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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 01:44 PM
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21. the documents can't have themselves turned over?
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 01:48 PM
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22. Please read the Subpoena... It is to Gonzales...
...my post said Subpoena 'just issued' to Gonzales.


http://judiciary.house.gov/Media/PDFS/AGSubpoena070410.pdf
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:34 PM
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7. Let the good times roll!!!!
:toast: :bounce: :wow: :hi: :kick: :headbang: :yourock:

WOOT, WOOT, WOOT!!!
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:36 PM
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8. Taking it one step at a time
So when the inevitable belly-aching starts up about how mean and witchie-hunterie those Democrats are, just be sure to remind folks that the Bush administration was given ample notice to comply with wholly reasonable requests from Congress. But because of the administration's own stone-walling, Congress had to resort to subpoenas and compelled testimony and document production.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:39 PM
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9. Shazzam !
there's a lightning bolt right in the buttocks of that gnarly old repuke beast.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:40 PM
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10. Has anyone read the subpoena yet??
He wants everything and he is not screwing around.

The most interesting part is the paragraphs referring to document destruction ie who did it, who directed them to do so ect...

I think that the committee has some clear evidence of obstruction.

Whoa! Can't wait for next week.

http://judiciary.house.gov/Media/PDFS/AGSubpoena070410.pdf
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 11:23 AM
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31. Those friends of Monica still in DOJ who mentored her, perhaps ? nt
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:42 PM
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11. You just gotta love Conyers!!!!!
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:45 PM
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13. John Conyers is a great man
He really has shown his mettle through this crisis.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:44 PM
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12. So what are the odds the subpoena will be ignored?
This Administration feels it is above oversight or any accountability> They are afterall the Deciders and the "Unitary Executive" There is no room for Congressional oversight in the "Unitary Executive" What can they do if the Administration says no???
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 02:11 PM
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24. Quite frankly, I don't know. I can't think of any precedent where a White House
Edited on Tue Apr-10-07 02:15 PM by Peace Patriot
has let things go that far. Some compromise is generally reached--or one side or the others "blinks"--before it comes down to full scale Constitutional crisis.

Possibly it will go to the Supreme Court (as Nixon and the Oval Office tapes did). But bear in mind that the Supreme Court unashamedly crowned Bush as king in 2000. It's not exactly the same court. It's worse. Would the Constitution hold together, and be enforced, by THIS Supreme Court? I'm afraid the answer is more than likely no.

What are Congress' enforcement powers--direct or indirect? I'm not sure of their direct powers. Can they order Congressional sergeants-at-arms, or FBI agents, to go seize the documents? Can they initiate a Grand Jury proceeding that would have those powers? (In Jefferson's Rules for Congress, he included power of a federal grand jury to initiate impeachment proceedings* against the president in the House. Does it work both ways? Can Congress initiate GJ proceedings?). Their indirect powers are considerable. They hold the purse strings. They can cut off funding to the Justice Dept., or the White House.

You will recall the flap about the FBI invading the Congressional offices of Rep. Jefferson (who was accused of corruption). The Constitution gives Congress total immunity from any such invasion. The FBI, which is under the thumb of the president, CANNOT enter Congress and seize documents, and no one--and I mean no one!--can arrest or detain a member of Congress who is engaged in Congressional business, or is traveling to/from Congress. It is totally verboten. A prosecutor can file charges, and a court can convict, but no one can arrest or detain a sitting member of Congress. Congress can decide to overturn the will of the voters in that district, and evict the Congress member from his/her seat. But until that happens, members of Congress are sacrosanct. The origin of this Constitutional provision was out-of-control kings in Europe/Britain using their police powers to harass members of Parliament.

The thrust of this and other provisions of the Constitution is to curtail, control, stymie, and, if necessary, impeach an out-of-control executive, which they knew to be the chief danger to our democracy. Thus, Congress has much more power to invade the offices of the President, and compel the production of papers, than the President has to invade the offices of Congress (the President has no powers in that regard). The framers strongly believed that it would be the President who would go wrong--would become the miscreant and need curtailment. This power of Congress has been hedged round, in the 20th century creation of the "imperial presidency", by concepts like "executive privilege" and "national security." These concepts do not exist in the Constitution, as limits on Congressional oversight. And they derive, in my opinion, from the ungodly power of the atom bomb, with which the President became invested at the end of WW II. They have been greatly abused, and are a formula for fascist rule, in the wrong hands. And they are most certainly in the wrong hands now. They are in the hands of people whose ultimate goal is destruction of the US federal government as a power that can regulate and curtail global corporate predators. Bush will hide behind these news concepts--executive privilege and national security (and has invented a new one, the "unitary executive")--as if defending the power of the government (of its administration), but the real goal is the opposite of that: to weaken and destroy every agency, and every function of our government, as well as weakening and destroying Congress, and appointing corporate/fascist toadies and yes-men to the federal courts, to destroy any protection the courts may give us against corporate predators.

There are parallels to Watergate and Nixon, although this situation is much more serious--as a Constitutional crisis--because the Bushite corporate controlled vote counting system ("trade secret," proprietary code in the new electronic voting machines, owned and controlled by rightwing Bushite corporations, which were fast-tracked across the nation during the 2002-2004 period) has prevented us from electing a Congress that has adequate numbers to assert its rightful independence under the Constitution. For instance, 75% of the American people oppose the Iraq War and wanted it ended, yet the voters could only achieve a 50/50 Congress. The people had to outvote the machines. They did it, in some cases. But the handicap on the peoples' voting power has been made clearly evident. In Congress, the numbers on the war are the same as the numbers on impeachment, and will likely be the numbers on the enforcement of subpoenas--although, institutional pride might come into it, on the latter; also, Republicon politics (their need to distant themselves from Bushite corruption). (Even with a 5% to 10% "thumb on the scales" in their favor, in the electronic voting systems, they still have to get donations and win some votes.)

Bottom line: Theoretically, Congress can do almost anything it wants to, or needs to, in the interest of the American people. But its theoretical power is dependent on transparent vote counting, when its members are chosen by the people. And we don't have transparent vote counting. We have extremely non-transparent vote counting, controlled by Bushite corporations. And that is the heart of this and every problem in our country right now.

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*(Individual state legislatures also have this power--which is why 12 or so impeachment bills have been introduced to state legislatures over the last year or so. These bills of impeachment--if passed by even one state legislature--would go to the House as a privileged resolution. All House business would have to stop, to consider it.)
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 07:49 PM
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27. I would expect SCOTUS to uphold chimpoliniCo
However, Congress holds the ultimate enforcement power - impeachment. Obstructing justice by failing to turn over supaenaed documents, or their destruction, will likely sway a few more Senate puke votes. Every little bit helps. Upcoming election should bring a few more - that may be enough.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:46 PM
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14. Oh Yes
Just to hear the words makes me all warm and fuzzy.....
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:52 PM
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15. here is link on MSNBC
Edited on Tue Apr-10-07 12:55 PM by DemReadingDU
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DesertRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:53 PM
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16. Thank you, Rep. Conyers
:kick:
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:55 PM
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17. YAY! We will have a few interesting weeks ahead of us!
I cannot wait to see what goes down! WTG, Mr. Conyers!
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 12:57 PM
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18. Keep writing those supoenas Conyers
Flood their fucking mailboxes.
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phiddle Donating Member (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 01:30 PM
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20. Docs are due 4/16---the day BEFORE Gonzales testifies!
Edited on Tue Apr-10-07 01:36 PM by phiddle
See Firedog Lake http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/04/10/breaking-rep-conyers-issues-subpoena-duces-tecum-for-doj-docs/
Note: His testimony will be before the Senate Judiciary Committee, whereas this subpoena originates in the House.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 01:49 PM
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23. Dems to Pubs: My subpoena is bigger than yours.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 02:24 PM
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25. Now, now! Remember who holds the gavel, honey!
Edited on Tue Apr-10-07 02:30 PM by Peace Patriot
"Bounce Your Boobies, Girls! Come on now...BOUNCE...!" (--Rusty Warren, CD available at http://rustywarren.com/order.html). (I thought I would die laughing when I first heard it!)
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 05:17 PM
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26. Its about Freakin TIME and if we have to get State police
to arrest him then use it...

We are heading to Constitutional Crisis and if Congress doesn't do it eventually it will be done

Its time before the 2008 election is stolen also

I thoroughly believe the end of the Republican party is coming on the Horizon

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Duppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 09:11 PM
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28. that pardon list just gets longer and longer
Can we impeach two people at the same time? :evilgrin:

I'd love to see Pelosi be the frist woman president of U.S.


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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 04:59 AM
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29. When he (obviously) doesn't produce all the documents on Monday-- what then?
Of course he's going to try to weasle out of this.

And then what can anyone really do? They aren't going to
just throw him in jail. (Can Bush pardon him?)

It puts a little more pressure on Gonzales but doesn't really change much of anything.

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NastyDiaper Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 11:20 AM
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30. 4/16 Emancipation Day!
Edited on Wed Apr-11-07 11:23 AM by NastyDiaper
Hope Rayburn is not locked ;) for the DC holiday.
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Terri S Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 11:33 AM
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32. Great... now where's the subpoena for Condi???
After, what, 16 or 17 letters she's still ignoring, when do they finally say enough is enough???
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