Name the countries....

[carrowsboy]

This woman is asking, so let's answer...

"PPL please wake up! Show me a Govt run Healthcare system that works(uh hem Medicare) and I will jump on the band wagon!! Fix what is broken first before spending all this money a new medical reform!! OH Yeah...Funny hw Obama's ratings are worse than Jimmy Carter's. One and Done!"

I'll start with France, your turn...

[snappyturtle]

1. England. Next?

[rockymountaindem]

2. Canada?

Let's you and me compromise and say French Canada.

[SOS]

3. Sweden

Everyone is covered from prenatal to grave.

Includes vision, dental and prescriptions.

Costs $3,500 per year per person vs. $7,500 here.

And they live longer.

[KamaAina]

4. Cuba

oh, right, we're supposed to pretend it doesn't exist. :eyes:

[valerief]

5. Bill Kristol says the US VA system is the best in the world. nt

[rurallib]

6. Taiwan

they offered to help design ours for us.
ETA I believe theirs eats up @7% of GDP while ours sucks @17%

[Historic NY]

7. Australia, Denmark, Finland, Israel, Spain...any one of the

suystems thats treats American Military & their families and Veterans.

[Horse with no Name]

8. Cost per person (shall we do it that way)?

>>>>snip
Opponents are filling the airwaves with the usual litany of lies, damned lies and statistics about socialized medicine and the twin nightmare of bureaucratically rationed health care and high taxes amongst allies like Britain, France and Germany. So here is a brief overview of health care in some of Europe’s biggest economies: Britain’s National Health Service is paid for out of a social security tax. Services are free at the point of provision. No co-pay, no reimbursement. The budget last year was 90 billion pounds (about $148 billion). That makes the average cost per person about 1,500 pounds ($2,463).

>>>>snip
The French system is run on a compulsory purchase of insurance through the workplace. The insurance cost is based on how much a worker earns. Low-income workers pay nothing. The average contribution per person is about $4,000. The government sets fees for services and negotiates the price of drugs with pharmaceutical companies. (See related GlobalPost story “Why French doctors still make house calls.”)

>>>snip
With a compulsory insurance plan, as in France, German care is universal and equitable. Germans pay approximately 14.3 percent of their earnings to buy this insurance. As in France, people are free to buy supplementary private health insurance. Each system is unique (as are all the systems around Europe) but they have two things in common that make them different from the United States: Coverage is universal and the cost of care as a percentage of GDP is significantly less.

>>>snip
The only statistics on health care systems that really matter are life expectancy and infant mortality. Both speak to accessibility and affordability. If you want to know how the U.S., the wealthiest nation on earth, stacks up, here you go:

In life expectancy, the U.S. ranks 38th or 45th depending on whether one uses the United Nation’s statistics or those compiled by the CIA. (In both cases, life expectancy in Cuba is higher!) According to the CIA World Factbook, the U.S. has many more infant deaths than its EU counterparts or northern socialist (to right-wing ideologues) neighbor, Canada. While the U.S. has 6.26 deaths per live births, Canada had 5.04. Britain, France and Germany? 4.85, 3.33 and 3.99, respectively.

http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/07/22/where-the-healthcare-debate-seems-bizarre/

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. Germany, Holland,

norway... could go on

[carrowsboy]

10. she just responded with...

"Actually you are incorrect about the ratings. And most overseas countries with national health care, the hospitals are filthy and people wait long in lines. I actually have friends that live in Canda and they hate the healthcare system. They come to the US for care and pay the extra money"

I responded back with...

"I have friends that live in Canada, too. They love it. They don't venture one foot in the States without bringing their Canadian insurance with them. Filthy hospitals? Do you not see the VA?"

[carrowsboy]

11. now she's gone psycho...

ME: "I'm sorry that you cannot accept that socialized medecine is superior to privatized, for-profit healthcare but all the data and facts back it up. This is one of the rare occassions where it really is a black & white situation...either you believe that healthcare should be made available to everyone or you side with Big Pharma who turns boffo profits by denying the sick and needy basic human rights to survive. As for your friends in Canada, I guess they really got screwed if they paid extra for US heathcare. Being Canadian citizens they still could have had a US physician care for them and the Canadian gov't would have absorbed the costs completely. Since they "paid extra" they pretty much proved the point that insurance companies are greedy vultures out to get what they can out of the needy."

HER: "THEN LETS FIX MEDICARE!! His proposal is not to fix anything! You keep making my point. He wants to spend over abillion dollars are A Healthcare PROPSAL!!!! Not a reform. I have expensive insurance as a small buisness owner. So I know all about the for profit insurance. It doesnt work for medicare....it doesnt work in other countries...it wont work here either. And the Dems are starting wonder how they are going to convince to American Peope to pay for it."

HER: "Sometime in August, our new socialistic government has decided to “FIX” our healthcare system. In 1997 a gallop poll was taken asking if Americans are happy with their current healthcare. An OVERWHELMING majority of Americans ARE satisfied with their healthcare. So why is the government fixing something that isn’t broke? Simply, this administration is ALL about spending our money! (uh hem…the BAIL OUT plan) This is what happens when you have an administration that cannot explain what it is doing and doesn’t know what it stands for! You think I am wrong…..read on brother! Our current administration is spending money that is going to put America so far in a hole that there will be no light. However, Japan and other countries are standing by to pick up the pieces!"

HER: "I can respect the position that some Americans feel that what was once the best medical delivery system in the world has become too inefficient and expensive to be worth saving. You rub your hands together and smile. You eagerly await that new and shiny health care model sparkling with promise by President Obama and his allies in Congress. If you are, you are blinded by a false promise and you are in for an unpleasant surprise.
Let me start by saying that I am one of those Americans that has terrible healthcare coverage. I am a small business owner and I do not have the luxury of Corporate America backing my health care plan. I pay 344.00 a month for my family’s health insurance. I have a $5000 deductable to meet. We are a very healthy family. We have never met that deductable and we usually have to pay for a full price for a doctor’s visit when we go."

HER: "So why am I against this reform? Americans consider “access and cost” to be the biggest problems with our current healthcare system. Strangely, the primary changes Obamacare will bring us will be “reduced access” to care and “significant increases” in healthcare costs.
So what is the current price tag for this new reform….(think of Obama as Dr. Evil right now) 1 TRILLION DOLLARS!!!!!! That’s right. Now how much did the corporate Bail Out cost us?(hmmmm) Now who is going to pay this hefty price tag? Get up right now and find your closest mirror.
Obama claims that this cost will be covered by improvements in Health Technology, More studies on Prevention, PAYMENT CUTS TO HOSPITALS (I will get back to this), And better research. No one with any sense believes him, least of all the CBO!!!!"

HER: "So let’s break this down… Payment cuts to hospitals: Listen up Doctors, Nurses and other healthcare workers…you are about to get screwed in your current profession. These “cuts” directly effect your job security and pay. We already have an example of how our government has failed at running healthcare…it’s called Medicare! Government price controls have created a primary care shortage for our Seniors. Medicare patients are having difficult times getting appointments with their primary doctors because our government’s socialistic payment system to these doctors does not compensate them for the visits. They are supposed to see these patients for pennies! Many physicians are opting out to treating Medicare patients…with good reason. So simply put, Medicare restricts access by setting payment levels so low that doctors cannot afford to treat the government’s “existing” health coverage patients."

HER: "So lets talk about the majority of Americans that have great health care plans through Corporate America. If you think that you can live with the significant tax increase and just retain your current benefits with your employer. Think again! If…sorry…WHEN this reform goes through, research has been done, it is only a matter of time before the public option would price most private health carriers out of the market. Why? Because your current insurer won’t enjoy the taxpayer subsidy that allows the public plan to charge below-market premiums, they cannot compete. You will be forced to go on the public plan. I bet your thinking, “That’s not all that bad, come on, at least it’s lower premiums.”"

HER: "It may sound good in the beginning, but you will not bask in those below market premiums for long. Once the public plan has nestled and settled…they will retain a monopoly in the health coverage market and you will begin to see your out of pocket expenses increase. Funny how they government slapped."

HER: "Wake up America! As a republican I am completely frustrated that I am not represented with our current administration. Best of all, we have the joy of knowing that the people imposing this on us will not live under it. Congress has it's own health care (and retirement) systems immune to changes they inflict on the masses. They get to keep their sweetheart deals while we are left to seeking healthcare in Mexico because will not be able to get it here!"

And I don't believe for one minute that these are her original thoughts...all these posts were made within 2 minutes of each other. Sounds liek she is just opying them from a website or email.

[Historic NY]

12. Remind her its 2009 not 1997 & Barack Hussein Obama is President that should do it.