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ccharles000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 04:48 AM Original message |
Police: Ohio woman shoots self at gun range, dies |
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Heidi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 04:51 AM Response to Original message |
1. Sad. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 04:55 AM Response to Original message |
2. Sad...and rude. Don't people realize that when they do that selfish shit, that |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 05:01 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. "shoot yourself in deep water" |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 05:04 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Gee, you learn something new every day. It's not surprising, I guess, but that's |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 05:17 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. I was reading about a range owner |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 11:06 AM Response to Reply #5 |
25. A few months ago there was a mother who rented a gun |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 01:04 PM Response to Reply #25 |
34. That is horrible. Did she do it at a range? Good grief. NT |
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greguganus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 02:14 PM Response to Reply #34 |
43. Yes, she did it at a range in Florida. Same range my son goes to. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 02:51 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Jesus. In THAT case, I blame the range. They should have barred her |
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NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 03:34 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. She was barred from the range |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 03:46 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. That's t rue. I hate to find a reason to like--or not hate-- "Big Brother" tactics. |
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TTUBatfan2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 10:25 PM Response to Reply #5 |
96. It reminds me of a comedy bit George Carlin did a few years ago... |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 07:31 AM Response to Reply #4 |
17. What I don't understand is why in public? |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 07:48 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Background check, for one |
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jbnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 10:51 AM Response to Reply #4 |
24. Buy a cheap gun, do it alone somewhere |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 11:14 AM Response to Reply #24 |
29. Then I get to go pick up the body after it's been there for a week. Not Pleasant. |
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vadawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-29-09 01:18 AM Response to Reply #29 |
110. man i know nothing worse than a week or so old body |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 11:08 AM Response to Reply #4 |
26. It's more common for people to jump in front of a train |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 11:11 AM Response to Reply #4 |
27. Suicides or people using gun ranges? |
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Retired AF Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 03:53 PM Response to Reply #4 |
52. This is the reason that several gun ranges wont rent you |
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glowing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 05:47 AM Response to Reply #2 |
9. Normally, people who commit suicide are not thinking of those around them. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 06:07 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. I know, but they should be--it's terribly selfish of them. |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 07:18 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. A person is in such pain and despair that s/he commits suicide, and you're scolding at |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 12:59 PM Response to Reply #14 |
32. Yes, I am--think about it. The standard person contemplating suicide does |
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ShamelessHussy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 01:13 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. I bet you have plastic all over your furniture, or used to. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 01:38 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Not even close. You're so far off the mark it's profound--don't do much betting, you'll lose your |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 01:49 PM Response to Reply #32 |
41. ROFL, "not an expert." At least you don't try to tell us you're a therapist |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 02:07 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Look, it's just a theory. Why are you getting so pissed off at me for |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 03:51 PM Response to Reply #32 |
51. Hooo wow, holy FUCK you're wrong |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 04:11 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. After reading this, I'd say 'yes'. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 04:44 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. What a relief. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 05:43 PM Response to Reply #54 |
60. may you never know the kind of |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 06:04 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. As a life-long sufferer of clinical depression |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 06:33 PM Response to Reply #63 |
68. i'm not assuming anything- |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 06:04 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. And by the same token, may the big rig driver never have to know the mental anguish |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 07:15 PM Response to Reply #60 |
74. Yeah, MADem's responses actually confirm what I felt that night |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 07:33 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. So, you're saying that all suicidal ideation is exactly the same, and that |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 08:03 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. ya know MADem- if you really do care about others, |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 08:11 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. Respond like what? Daring to postulate a theory of suicide crisis management is a crime, now? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 04:37 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. Why are you being first, deliberately obtuse, and second, playing the "either - or" game |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 05:30 PM Response to Reply #32 |
59. no- trying to dump a load of guilt on someone who is on the |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 05:54 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Let's assume you try ALL OF that--and none of that works. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 06:12 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. because there are some |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 06:32 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. Sure. But you can persuade them to choose a death that doesn't involve |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 06:43 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. you have no clue what the experiences of any of those who |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 07:00 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. Well, thanks for proving my point, pal! Took you no time, too! |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 07:54 PM Response to Reply #71 |
78. you might want to look again |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 08:04 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. So might you. Take a hard and unflinching look, too. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 08:12 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. - |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 08:18 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. One more time--you do NOT read for comprehension when bias clouds your view. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 08:29 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. you seem to have a thing for guilt- |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 08:38 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. You are "characterizing" again. Take a good hard look. |
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Hangingon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 10:16 AM Response to Reply #10 |
21. Many suicides are statements. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 12:46 PM Response to Reply #21 |
31. I know. I sometimes wonder if they were forced to think of the mess they make |
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Hangingon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 01:26 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. I suspect the need for others to notice them is the reason for |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 01:40 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Could well be. I don't claim to be an expert on the matter. |
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Hangingon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 03:59 PM Response to Reply #40 |
53. Mine are only theories too. No criticism intended. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 04:13 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. None taken from you, at all. |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 10:28 AM Response to Reply #2 |
23. RUDE? sorry she's so fucking RUDE as to get sick!!!!! |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 01:02 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. I do know that. See my extended comments upthread. |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 02:20 PM Response to Reply #33 |
44. considering how this is NOT worked for you and yours, maybe you should re consider your ideas? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 03:24 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. You need to go read what I actually wrote, and stop with the lecturing. |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 06:53 PM Response to Reply #46 |
70. your theory is cruel, hateful, and shame kills people w. depression, i'm sorry you're ignorant |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 07:05 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. It was, really? Does the name calling make you feel superior? |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 07:21 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. You've been told by people who have been there themselves that this is not helpful |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 07:47 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. Please read what I write, and don't make stuff up, OK? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 08:34 PM Response to Reply #75 |
87. Deleted message |
MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 08:53 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. "This person" feels empathy for anyone who has to deal with you. |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 08:24 PM Response to Reply #2 |
85. You clearly have no sympathy for someone who is in such misery... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 08:58 PM Response to Reply #85 |
92. Look. If you are genuinely interested in my views, |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 09:28 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. What? Here is what you said... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 10:08 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. Oh, boy. More characterizing. What now? My opinion becomes a "statement of belief." |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 10:19 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. Please, don't try and turn this on me. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 10:33 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. I am not trying to "turn this on you." You're doing that to yourself. |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 10:59 PM Response to Reply #98 |
101. Have a nice night... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 11:13 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. This is not a self-help or support forum. |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 11:28 PM Response to Reply #102 |
103. There was nothing to interepret with your OP... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 11:52 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. We're done. |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-29-09 12:23 AM Response to Reply #105 |
106. I never said that my view is the only right way... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-29-09 12:48 AM Response to Reply #106 |
107. You need to just step off. We're done. |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-29-09 01:03 AM Response to Reply #107 |
109. Oh I will gladly admit that I am being an ass... |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-29-09 08:40 AM Response to Reply #109 |
123. - |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-29-09 10:35 AM Response to Reply #109 |
125. Well, not so much offended as astounded at your crass, unsocial behavior. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-29-09 01:47 AM Response to Reply #2 |
112. yes, if someone i knew shot themself, my first reaction would be "goddamn it, how rude!" |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-29-09 02:02 PM Response to Reply #112 |
126. Well, my first reaction was sad. |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 04:56 AM Response to Original message |
3. I don't envy the people who were working that day. |
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mwb970 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 05:34 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. It's not somewhere I'd want to work anyway. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 05:41 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Lead dust is the only statistically dangerous thing they deal with.. |
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liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 06:24 AM Response to Original message |
11. But most importantly... |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 06:30 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Yes I noticed that |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 06:35 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. If you hang yourself at the mall |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 07:22 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. A guy killed himself at a mall here and they were closed for a week |
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FarCenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 08:31 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. They should talk to Hyatt |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 08:55 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. They didn't reopen the Hyatt soon after that tragedy |
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Hangingon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 10:19 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Hyatt was closed for some time as I recall. |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 11:15 AM Response to Reply #15 |
30. Really? When? Where? Link? |
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liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 07:29 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Its the normally part that is disturbing |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 11:12 AM Response to Reply #11 |
28. And your point is....? |
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Tim01 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
35. Could these people please find someplace else to kill themselves? |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 08:56 PM Response to Reply #35 |
91. but it is so much easier with a gun |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-29-09 06:50 AM Response to Reply #91 |
117. NO it is easier with a shitload of tylenol and some jack |
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downeyr (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-29-09 03:31 AM Response to Reply #35 |
113. Why |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
37. I've been to that gun range... |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
47. Why are you able to rent handguns at these places? |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 03:39 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. It's usually like a test drive. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 04:48 PM Response to Reply #47 |
58. My wife fired 5 different handguns before finding one she was comfortable with. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 05:56 PM Response to Original message |
62. WOW- just WOW- what an incredibly sad commentary |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 06:14 PM Response to Original message |
66. How horrible for everyone who works at the range |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 07:07 PM Response to Original message |
73. I hate cases like this. |
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SecularMotion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 08:21 PM Response to Original message |
84. We need a new law to close the gun range loophole |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 10:26 PM Response to Reply #84 |
97. Why not? What kind of regulation do you want? |
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SecularMotion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-29-09 12:50 AM Response to Reply #97 |
108. A well-regulated membership |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-29-09 01:27 AM Response to Reply #108 |
111. Which means what? |
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SecularMotion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-29-09 06:29 AM Response to Reply #111 |
114. Reasonable regulation would be a membership application |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-29-09 06:33 AM Response to Reply #114 |
115. So a background check? |
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SecularMotion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-29-09 07:08 AM Response to Reply #115 |
119. Whatever the threshold is for the weapon the person will be using at the range |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-29-09 07:07 AM Response to Reply #114 |
118. There is nothing to indicate the victim couldn't pass a background check. |
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SecularMotion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-29-09 07:15 AM Response to Reply #118 |
120. I would imagine that a person considering suicide would choose the path of least resistance |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-29-09 07:28 AM Response to Reply #120 |
121. Instant background takes about 5 minutes and most of that is filling out the form. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 08:36 PM Response to Original message |
88. sad... |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 10:50 PM Response to Reply #88 |
100. yes- |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-29-09 10:22 AM Response to Reply #100 |
124. I know Depression and it's effects on people all too well |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 10:41 PM Response to Original message |
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david13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 11:39 PM Response to Original message |
104. That happened here at a gun range I go to, but they ruled |
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116. Fukuyama |
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122. holy hell. |
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