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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 06:59 AM Original message |
Is there a change in police training that is contributing to these crazy cases? |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 07:07 AM Response to Original message |
1. The change occurred with the Patriot Act with the help of the slippery slope. |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 07:10 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. The Patriot Act? Don't tell that to Rodney King. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 07:13 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. good point. I guess what I"m saying is the patriot act made it EASIER for these abuses to occur |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 08:45 AM Response to Reply #7 |
27. Yes, and that's inferred in your wording of "slippery slope." P.A. gave the green light to fascists |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:03 AM Response to Reply #27 |
39. Yep. 9/11 and the Bushies turned the volume up six notches, but this trend's been going for decades |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:58 AM Response to Reply #39 |
55. Exactly...lending the "inside job" angle even greater motive than the obviou$ MIC profits |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 02:55 PM Response to Reply #4 |
63. Dont' tell it to that immigrant in New York who got 41 bullets in him... |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:00 AM Response to Reply #1 |
37. The change relates to the mindset of the Bush administration and 9/11 |
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LaurenG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 07:07 AM Response to Original message |
2. I don't know about that. In fact I think the training is probably better. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 07:12 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. that occured to me too |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 07:09 AM Response to Original message |
3. We hear nothing of the hundreds of thousands of arrests that are done routinely. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 07:14 AM Response to Reply #3 |
9. brutal by nature cops are why you thank god? |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 07:24 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Oh, brother. Have you ever known a career cop? |
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blueamy66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 08:07 AM Response to Reply #13 |
20. This might not be a popular response, but |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 08:49 AM Response to Reply #20 |
30. You've drifted off point, but I'll answer the question. |
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blueamy66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:00 AM Response to Reply #30 |
36. How did I drift off point? |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:04 AM Response to Reply #36 |
41. This gets back to my original point. |
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Kid Dynamite (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 08:41 AM Response to Reply #13 |
25. Man even the courts won't tolerate your pro Law Enforcement bias |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 08:54 AM Response to Reply #25 |
34. No kidding. I've been called for jury duty 5 times, and never got a second look. |
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Kid Dynamite (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 08:56 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Its a systemic bias |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:07 AM Response to Reply #35 |
44. Yeah, right. I suppose you want a police department of consensus builders. |
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Kid Dynamite (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:14 AM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Its not one incident or even many incidents |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 01:08 PM Response to Reply #47 |
56. "Its no trivial thing that you want to justify why they have to be killing machines." Bullshit. |
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Kid Dynamite (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 01:45 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. I must have misconstrued the phrase "lethal violence" |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:21 AM Response to Reply #13 |
49. ironically, MY brother in law is ALSO a cop |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 07:11 AM Response to Original message |
5. Most likely |
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bobburgster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 07:14 AM Response to Original message |
8. You bring up a good topic for discussion. |
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liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 07:15 AM Original message |
Maybe they all want to get on TV's Most Outrageous Police videos |
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peace13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 07:15 AM Response to Original message |
10. In 2003 we had an incident with the police in our our small village. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 07:24 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. I submitted to a voluntary search of my car back in 1990 in a Utah small town |
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peace13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 07:44 AM Response to Reply #12 |
17. It was nice that he apologized. |
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slampoet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 03:24 PM Response to Reply #17 |
66. I would add that the cops are continuing the story by STILL not backing down. |
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tularetom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 07:21 AM Response to Original message |
11. They have forgotten that they are basically the cheap hired help |
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conscious evolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 07:54 AM Response to Reply #11 |
18. better psychological screening |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 08:51 AM Response to Reply #11 |
32. Wow. Okay. |
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blueamy66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:01 AM Response to Reply #32 |
38. I'd be curious to know the stats on patrol officers who have |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:05 AM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Depends on the locality. |
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blueamy66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:06 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. true |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:31 AM Response to Reply #38 |
51. To Advance, You've Got To |
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tularetom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:13 AM Response to Reply #32 |
46. They damn well better put up with my "superior bullshit" and everybody else's too |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:21 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Okay ... So ... |
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tularetom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:47 AM Response to Reply #48 |
52. What part of the phrase "civil servant" do you not understand? |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:49 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. I'll Take That As a "Yes" |
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Sinistrous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 07:27 AM Response to Original message |
14. The fact that courts and juries have let police get away with |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 07:30 AM Response to Original message |
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conscious evolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 07:58 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. FYI. Alias alert. |
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formercia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 08:18 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. US Training Center aka Blackwater |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 08:53 AM Response to Reply #15 |
33. umm thats not a reputable site. |
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formercia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:04 AM Response to Reply #33 |
40. Neither is this one |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:10 AM Response to Reply #40 |
45. Would you trust what the KKK has to say about politics? |
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formercia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:26 AM Response to Reply #45 |
50. Go complain to Rense. |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 07:34 AM Response to Original message |
16. The hypervigilance that comes with militarization might lead to an increase in these incidents. |
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Kid Dynamite (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 08:17 AM Response to Original message |
21. The Tucson police force |
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slampoet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 03:27 PM Response to Reply #21 |
67. More cops kill themselves with their own weapon than die in the line of duty. |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 08:32 AM Response to Original message |
23. The changes started in the 1960's with Nixon's attitude. We've witnessed the growth of a |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 08:35 AM Response to Original message |
24. Many states have had testing for potential police officers that |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 02:50 PM Response to Reply #24 |
62. this is just a joke but remember Homer Simpson said: |
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EmeraldCityGrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 08:42 AM Response to Original message |
26. It's due to the militarization of our police |
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izzybeans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:51 AM Response to Reply #26 |
54. +1 |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 08:47 AM Response to Original message |
28. Dumbing Down, Hardening Up, of the Working Class |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 08:48 AM Response to Original message |
29. It's the utter failure of police training |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 08:50 AM Response to Original message |
31. I think some of the training schools have gotten less strict |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
58. The training is probably better than it has ever been, on the whole. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
59. Nah. Just the usual tolerance of racism by white folks. |
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Flaneur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
60. What ever happened to Officer Friendly? |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
61. You mean the "when the suspect surrenders and lies face down with arms outstretched... |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
64. It goes from the top on down: |
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lexanman (401 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 03:18 PM Response to Original message |
65. Ever watch Serpico? |
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